Emptiness

[beanflying]

Saying something that someone said is a lie, is calling them a liar. That is a simple fact. Referring to people as "butt hurt CHILDREN" is name calling. This also is a simple fact.

Since you have failed to provide any evidence that what I said is a lie, I consider it pure flamebaiting, which I am far too mature and intelligent to respond to in the way I believe you want. Here is a list of people that I personally know are unhappy at being made to feel so unwelcome in TEAnonymous that they had to leave, for their own wellbeing:

mnementh
bd139
Cerebus
bitseeker (the TEAnonymous OP, lest we forget that little fact, and despite your claims to the contrary, it is within his purview to request the thread be moved, locked, or deleted)
Saskia
med6753

Also I have observed that there are several people who used to contribute in TEAnonymous, but now only in Discord and .io, though I shan't name them because I haven't spoken to them personally about why.

Then there's the people that stayed, but have drastically reduced contribution to the TEAnonymous thread, such as myself. Again, I shan't name others, as I haven't spoken to them personally about why.

So let's get this clear grown adults who stamped their feet kicked and screamed in the Aisle of TEA over weeks following a simple removal of some posts and generally CAUSED the issue to blow up out of all proportion because 'their' (In there inflated opinions) sandpit faced a request from Dave are the victims 

Don't put Bitseeker's name in your list he was not one of the 'children' here and if I was him I would be more than a bit annoyed at you being lumped in with them on a list by you. There is nothing he has done that goes anywhere close to the childish rantings of others. Bitseeker owns his content and can if he chooses move the Thread but he does not own mine and anyone else content so you should again not ascribe power that doesn't exist.

However those that 'CHOSE' to leave was absolutely not as you keep making up 'made to leave' in fact as far as I am aware ALL are still members here and most have posted a LOT after the initial content moderation and removal. You continuing to attempt to say otherwise just reinforces my earlier post.

So yep CHILDISH.

It was you in the TEA thread stirring crap about the posts of others being off topic and then promoting 'alternate facts' about the 'victims' FIRST so either own your stirring of the pot (flamebaiting if you must) that you started or give it a rest. 

[bd139]

With AVGresponding here 100%

Beanflying your entire attitude and presence is one reason I don’t want to participate now. You’ve been a top tier dick about it from day one. What do you have to gain?

We moved on which is fine. Now you’re strutting around like a demented pigeon making victory coos over a battle you stepped into when it was already a pile of corpses. This entire attitude is endemic on the forum which is perpetually bombed with asshattery and trolling on just about every decent thread.

Please get a life. Surely you’re old enough to know better.

Mods please take this dude as why I don’t want to participate.

[beanflying]

With AVGresponding here 100%

Beanflying your entire attitude and presence is one reason I don’t want to participate now. You’ve been a top tier dick about it from day one. What do you have to gain?

We moved on which is fine. Now you’re strutting around like a demented pigeon making victory coos over a battle you stepped into when it was already a pile of corpses. This entire attitude is endemic on the forum which is perpetually bombed with asshattery and trolling on just about every decent thread.

Please get a life. Surely you’re old enough to know better.

Mods please take this dude as why I don’t want to participate.

Clearly you and others haven't moved on and even though AVG singled you out on his list here you are defending the bad behaviour in the thread.

There is no victory here at all just sadness and pissed off that YOU and others caused this because you couldn't accept some basic guidance on content balance. The Asshattery is on those who ramped up and railed against that. One day maybe you might be able to see that looking back but meanwhile you are no victim!

The level of total daily dribble in TEA was totally out of balance and as I have stated clearly it was never just 'on topic' (whatever that is in the thread) but circa 80% dribble is way off discussing TEA.

[bd139]

I don’t negotiate with trolls.

[AVGresponding]

Saying something that someone said is a lie, is calling them a liar. That is a simple fact. Referring to people as "butt hurt CHILDREN" is name calling. This also is a simple fact.

Since you have failed to provide any evidence that what I said is a lie, I consider it pure flamebaiting, which I am far too mature and intelligent to respond to in the way I believe you want. Here is a list of people that I personally know are unhappy at being made to feel so unwelcome in TEAnonymous that they had to leave, for their own wellbeing:

mnementh
bd139
Cerebus
bitseeker (the TEAnonymous OP, lest we forget that little fact, and despite your claims to the contrary, it is within his purview to request the thread be moved, locked, or deleted)
Saskia
med6753

Also I have observed that there are several people who used to contribute in TEAnonymous, but now only in Discord and .io, though I shan't name them because I haven't spoken to them personally about why.

Then there's the people that stayed, but have drastically reduced contribution to the TEAnonymous thread, such as myself. Again, I shan't name others, as I haven't spoken to them personally about why.

So let's get this clear grown adults who stamped their feet kicked and screamed in the Aisle of TEA over weeks following a simple removal of some posts and generally CAUSED the issue to blow up out of all proportion because 'their' (In there inflated opinions) sandpit faced a request from Dave are the victims 

Don't put Bitseeker's name in your list he was not one of the 'children' here and if I was him I would be more than a bit annoyed at you being lumped in with them on a list by you. There is nothing he has done that goes anywhere close to the childish rantings of others. Bitseeker owns his content and can if he chooses move the Thread but he does not own mine and anyone else content so you should again not ascribe power that doesn't exist.

However those that 'CHOSE' to leave was absolutely not as you keep making up 'made to leave' in fact as far as I am aware ALL are still members here and most have posted a LOT after the initial content moderation and removal. You continuing to attempt to say otherwise just reinforces my earlier post.

So yep CHILDISH.

It was you in the TEA thread stirring crap about the posts of others being off topic and then promoting 'alternate facts' about the 'victims' FIRST so either own your stirring of the pot (flamebaiting if you must) that you started or give it a rest. 

You seem incapable of accepting demonstrable facts, and prefer instead to cling to a set of Trumpian style "alternative facts". There's only one of us shouting and stamping their feet (metaphorically) here, and it isn't me.

As for stirring the pot, I have no intention to do so; however, I will always challenge untruths and misconceptions when they directly affect my life, either physical or virtual.

[EEVblog]

Mods please take this dude as why I don’t want to participate.

Did you ever add him your ignore list? If not, why not?
Not trying to be a smart arse here, just genuinely curious why if you found someones posts so intolerable that you don't want to participate here, why not use the Ignore User feature?
I don't use the feature myself, but it's there and people do use it.

[EEVblog]

I just tried the Ignore User feature and it works just fine.
I will unblock beanflying of course, it was just a test.

[bd139]

Mods please take this dude as why I don’t want to participate.

Did you ever add him your ignore list? If not, why not?
Not trying to be a smart arse here, just genuinely curious why if you found someones posts so intolerable that you don't want to participate here, why not use the Ignore User feature?
I don't use the feature myself, but it's there and people do use it.

Mostly because I had no idea it existed. Will play with it. Thanks for the heads up.

[EEVblog]

Mods please take this dude as why I don’t want to participate.

Did you ever add him your ignore list? If not, why not?
Not trying to be a smart arse here, just genuinely curious why if you found someones posts so intolerable that you don't want to participate here, why not use the Ignore User feature?
I don't use the feature myself, but it's there and people do use it.

Mostly because I had no idea it existed. Will play with it. Thanks for the heads up.

It's not obvious, you have to go to your profile and then another tab:



Ideally there would be an additional option that eliminates their posts entirely, but I kinda like that it hides their posts but still lets you know it's there if you want to see it.

[pcprogrammer]

Mods please take this dude as why I don’t want to participate.

Did you ever add him your ignore list? If not, why not?
Not trying to be a smart arse here, just genuinely curious why if you found someones posts so intolerable that you don't want to participate here, why not use the Ignore User feature?
I don't use the feature myself, but it's there and people do use it.

Mostly because I had no idea it existed. Will play with it. Thanks for the heads up.

But then you will miss out on all the fun

[beanflying]

You seem incapable of accepting demonstrable facts, and prefer instead to cling to a set of Trumpian style "alternative facts". There's only one of us shouting and stamping their feet (metaphorically) here, and it isn't me.

As for stirring the pot, I have no intention to do so; however, I will always challenge untruths and misconceptions when they directly affect my life, either physical or virtual.

You bitched and moaned about the use of Lie and now you want to bitch about 'alternate facts' to describe them.

You are not calling out any untruths at all you are creating them, take two steps back and think about if the Children had have copped the rap on the knuckles and just got on with a simple request where this would be.

[EEVblog]

You are not calling out any untruths at all you are creating them, take two steps back and think about if the Children had have copped the rap on the knuckles and just got on with a simple request where this would be.

I don't appreciate your attitude in this thread, please just stop.
Some people felt they had to leave, some people stayed and still enjoy the TEA thread. It's done.
And no one seems to want TEA moved here, and no one seems to want to use the new section I was asked to create. So I'll probably just shut it down shortly and move the couple of threads back to Test Equipment unless anyone has any objections?

[bd139]

Mods please take this dude as why I don’t want to participate.

Did you ever add him your ignore list? If not, why not?
Not trying to be a smart arse here, just genuinely curious why if you found someones posts so intolerable that you don't want to participate here, why not use the Ignore User feature?
I don't use the feature myself, but it's there and people do use it.

Mostly because I had no idea it existed. Will play with it. Thanks for the heads up.

It's not obvious, you have to go to your profile and then another tab:



Ideally there would be an additional option that eliminates their posts entirely, but I kinda like that it hides their posts but still lets you know it's there if you want to see it.

Got it. Thanks for that. Peaceful life ahead!

Agree there should be a show it optionally thing.

[pcprogrammer]

You are not calling out any untruths at all you are creating them, take two steps back and think about if the Children had have copped the rap on the knuckles and just got on with a simple request where this would be.

I don't appreciate your attitude in this thread, please just stop.
Some people felt they had to leave, some people stayed and still enjoy the TEA thread. It's done.
And no one seems to want TEA moved here, and no one seems to want to use the new section I was asked to create. So I'll probably just shut it down shortly and move the couple of threads back to Test Equipment unless anyone has any objections?

I think most will agree that this thread does not need to be preserved for the future.

The other one about the "constitution" you might like to take parts out of it to augment the general rules, but if not that is fine too.

Then just hit the delete button

[AVGresponding]

You are not calling out any untruths at all you are creating them, take two steps back and think about if the Children had have copped the rap on the knuckles and just got on with a simple request where this would be.

I don't appreciate your attitude in this thread, please just stop.
Some people felt they had to leave, some people stayed and still enjoy the TEA thread. It's done.
And no one seems to want TEA moved here, and no one seems to want to use the new section I was asked to create. So I'll probably just shut it down shortly and move the couple of threads back to Test Equipment unless anyone has any objections?

I think most will agree that this thread does not need to be preserved for the future.

The other one about the "constitution" you might like to take parts out of it to augment the general rules, but if not that is fine too.

Then just hit the delete button

I'd be more in favour of just locking them, rather than allowing a rewriting of history by deletion.

[factory]

Not happy with what I read on .io last night, certainly don't want to see all my TEA content copied to another forum. 



https://groups.io/g/tea/topic/93211143?p=Created%2C%2C%2C20%2C2%2C0%2C0%3A%3ACreated%2C%2C%23TEAdministration%2C20%2C2%2C0%2C93211143%2Cct%25253D1

David

[EEVblog]

Not happy with what I read on .io last night, certainly don't want to see all my TEA content copied to another forum. 

They are already moving from groups.io to another forum?

[EEVblog]

Then just hit the delete button

Nope, I won't delete posts. If you forget, that's a big part of what caused all this problem to begin with.

[factory]

Not happy with what I read on .io last night, certainly don't want to see all my TEA content copied to another forum. 

They are already moving from groups.io to another forum?

No idea, but I thought the .io was a temporary solution, but from what I've read they can't seem to decide on a more permanent solution, I'm not on any .io forums and probably won't join another forum if they ever set one up, just don't have the time to contribute to yet another forum.

I do read it in exactly the same way as the original TEA thread here, all in one page https://groups.io/g/tea/messages?p=created%2C1%2C%2C1%2C2%2C0%2C0&prev=1

Interesting they have incorrectly reported the death of a TE collector last night;
https://groups.io/g/tea/topic/93608144?p=%2C%2C%2C20%2C0%2C0%2C0%3A%3ACreated%2C%2C%23Events%2C20%2C2%2C0%2C93608144%2Cct%253D1&ct=1
Richard is very much alive and is actually downsizing his collection, I can't comment on .io for obvious reasons;
https://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/showthread.php?t=193112
https://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/showthread.php?p=1498727#post1498727

David

[bd139]

AFAIK it’s still at evaluating the options phase. I am in no way an authority on where we are with that just a technical complainant

To note the future of TEA discussion has involved more than just a forum system which is where some of the misunderstanding lies in where to move it to and host it. This also makes a mockery of some of the other arguments as that is purely a scope and capability concern rather than emotional.

[m k]

Then just hit the delete button

Nope, I won't delete posts. If you forget, that's a big part of what caused all this problem to begin with.

All TEA posts are not deleted.
Is it possible that database still has originals?
I have a recollection that it can be the case.

[Simon]

Not happy with what I read on .io last night, certainly don't want to see all my TEA content copied to another forum. 



https://groups.io/g/tea/topic/93211143?p=Created%2C%2C%2C20%2C2%2C0%2C0%3A%3ACreated%2C%2C%23TEAdministration%2C20%2C2%2C0%2C93211143%2Cct%25253D1

David

As they mention themselves there IS a copyright issue. Current terms state that the rights of any posts belong to THIS forum.

[AVGresponding]

Not happy with what I read on .io last night, certainly don't want to see all my TEA content copied to another forum. 



https://groups.io/g/tea/topic/93211143?p=Created%2C%2C%2C20%2C2%2C0%2C0%3A%3ACreated%2C%2C%23TEAdministration%2C20%2C2%2C0%2C93211143%2Cct%25253D1

David

As they mention themselves there IS a copyright issue. Current terms state that the rights of any posts belong to THIS forum.

Please let's not get into another territorial pissings contest.

[factory]

Hopefully there is no need to worry about it, just the naughty 'dragon' seems to have other ideas.

Seeing various questions come up, hopefully this is helpful. Thanks to those who also helped with answers in prior posts.

TEA Q & A

Q: Are you going to duplicate the thread elsewhere?
A: Not as long as it exists here. It's bad for SEO to publish duplicate content. We built the thread here, so there's no need to have it elsewhere. We can always link to posts within it.

Last thing we need is another copy of the thread on the web, it's bad enough with bots copying everything, it makes web research a pain, due to some content repeated over & over.

David

[bd139]

Some clarifications:

Firstly, the "backups" are not backups but naive scrapes. They were taken due to the WebNX fire that took out the EEVblog forum for a while. We figured that it was a good method of preserving content which was generated should the worst happen one day. Everything is ephemeral on the Internet.

Secondarily, transferring content, caching and archiving it is not a copyright issue. If it was it would be illegal to use web browsers and archive.org, google and Microsoft would have been sued off the Internet ages ago. A couple of people tried this on in the early 2000's and looked like wallies. Broke wallies.

Thirdly, there is no copyright issue with reproducing the content elsewhere. While EEVblog asserts rights to the content posted, that does not mean the authors do not retain rights to it as well. In fact I will be reproducing some of the content I have posted here on my web site which I am 100% entitled to do. It will not be verbatim of course as it's a more formal medium but I could legally reproduce it anywhere I like.

Fourthly, the only place any copyright can be asserted is in court and if anyone went to court over this they'd be a wally.

But with those facts on the table, yes it doesn't make sense to reproduce it unless for some reason it disappeared. It has a negative SEO impact for both sites and doesn't really help with assigning what is where. That is originally why I suggested freezing the thread and continuing on groups.io only. For the sake of both EEVblog and TEA SEO stats only and the possibility that duplication hurts both sets of people.

(some) people think this is emotionally charged but it's all logical at the end of the day