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Re: Please, advice cheap DDS up to 200MHz
« Reply #50 on: February 29, 2024, 11:44:52 pm »
My friend, first you should learn how to properly choose IFs to your radiosystem. 1IF = 80 MHz is nonsense. It is too high and second harmonics lies within maritime band. There are simple rules for that, your maritime band is 156-162 MHz, so is 6 MHz wide, 1IF should be approximately more than twice higher. Typical set is 1IF=10.7 MHz / 2IF=465 kHz, because there are available filters for such freqs.
 
 

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Re: Please, advice cheap DDS up to 200MHz
« Reply #51 on: March 01, 2024, 12:17:03 am »
My short wave transceiver on si5351 uses IF=45 MHz, works ok
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Re: Please, advice cheap DDS up to 200MHz
« Reply #52 on: March 01, 2024, 08:43:43 pm »
Today I ran a calibration check on a DDS.
It is the AD9850 with 125MHz crystal clock, from Nooelec.
I am using this to injection lock the local oscillator of an old sw receiver.
The receiver has a demodulator with an Epson SG8018 oscillator programmed at 1820.000 kHz for a 455kHz Gilbert demodulator

First I ran a calibration on WWV Colorado to get an overall correction of -5.6Hz for the combo of the DDS and the Gilbert.
This cal was entered as fixed frequency offset in the DDS control software for all tests.
The DDS calibration was by the latest release of FLDIGI which now has a Frequency Measurement Test Mode.
A measurement of various other time stations  was run using FLDIGI.

A check frequency measurement was then done in WSJT_X  using the Hermes 14 TXCVR with master clock, GPSDTCXO (Leo Bodnar Mini) .
WSJT_X has an automated test mode which scans a list of frequency standards entered by user.
Result:
Time Signal   Freq MHz   DDS_Error   WSJTX_/GPSDO_Error   (Errors are in Hz, DDS errors were visually from the time trace on FLDIGI )
CHU          3.330           +1.0                  -0.02
CHU          7.850            +0.1                 -0.05
WWV          10.000        -0.05(cal)            -0.04
CHU          14.670          -0.8                 +0.02
WWV          15.000          (-)                -0.04

Edit: Through evening the house heating has started.Radio room ambient increased by ~ 3 C.
 The DDS_Error on CHE 7.850 MHz has increased from  the earlier +0.1 Hz @ ambient, to  +1.8 Hz @ ambient +3 C
Next I will try to get a thermocouple in close to the DDS XO and repeat the test.
« Last Edit: March 02, 2024, 01:30:57 am by mag_therm »
 

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Re: Please, advice cheap DDS up to 200MHz
« Reply #53 on: March 02, 2024, 02:45:07 pm »
Addition to Post#53: Next morning, the frequency of CHU 7.850 MHz is drifting between +1.1 and + 1.3 Hz above DDS setting.
So the DDS without temperature control  seems more accurate than most of the ordinary ham radio  transceivers
I see many of them  up to +/- 30Hz on the digi modes.

For the upcoming eclipse in USA I am setting up a second transceiver, it is a HackRF One Software Defined Radio
software is Gqrx + FLDIGI, + other stuff. It is running on an old i686 (32 bit computer) . Using the last Fedora 32 bit version Fc25 of about 2018.
Fedora stopped releasing 32 bit after that.

The transmission during eclipse are basically using ham radio data to infer transient changes in refractive index of ionosphere.
That is why GPSDTCXO master clocks are needed.

The new transceiver will take 10MHz master clock, same as the existing  (Hermes14) transceiver,
The GPSDTCXO is bolted to the basement wall in another unheated basement room.
I have made a constant K 50 Ohm filter/splitter to give two SMA outputs from GPSDTCXO.
Cables 10MHz to transceivers are 8 metre long . Cable to the GPS antenna is about 15 metre.

There is another Leo Bodnar GPSDTCXO with two programmable outputs.(eg 10MHz + 125MHz)
I thought of getting one for the old general coverage receiver's DDS, but after these tests showing the good accuracy
of the DDS,  I don't think it necessary.
 
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Re: Please, advice cheap DDS up to 200MHz
« Reply #54 on: March 02, 2024, 09:39:02 pm »
The DDS calibration was by the latest release of FLDIGI which now has a Frequency Measurement Test Mode.
A measurement of various other time stations  was run using FLDIGI.

FT8 and other digi modes don't require very clean carrier, it just want to get some average frequency over long time. DDS phase errors don't affect it much.
 
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