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Re: My 'new' Uni-Trend UTD1025C DSO has arrived - love it !
« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2012, 05:25:53 pm »
I have just checked the adapter supplied with my DS1025C

It is a Regulated 9V dc 3A rated with a centre positive connector. The unit is a compact switch-mode design.

The DS1025C is rated at 20VA Max in the user manual which is 2.2A at 9V, so the power supply I have provides some current 'headroom' and doesn't run hot.

Did you get the two plug-in current shunts with your unit ? If so, I would love to see a picture of the internals as I hope to make my own. Alternatively the resistance across the terminals on each range would be helpful. I already have a 30A shunt module from MAC tools but the tripple range low current unit appears to be unavailable.

Please be aware that there is a design flaw in the DS1025C channel screening which can lead to loss of power to a channel and failure of the series inductor as detailed above. If you have no warranty on your unit, I recommend you take action to prevent this failure occurring at some time in the future. Some insulation material between the screen can and the SMD capacitor would work

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« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2012, 06:28:26 pm »
Thanks Aurora! :D
Yes i have the two plug-in current shunts, i make today some pictures of the internals and than i post it
 

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« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2012, 07:45:05 pm »
Many thanks  :) Mine came with PSU only  :(


If the resistors inside teh Shunts have a value written on them that would be great too.

I had to buy a 9V 3A power supply for another project today and found one in Hong Kong it looks decent enough from the outside and isn't pretending to be a brand name so may be reasonably made.

Here is the link for one:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1pc-9V-3A-Switching-Power-Supply-Adapter-UK3-/160744079229?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Test_Measurement_Equipment_ET&hash=item256d17ff7d

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UPDATE

This PSU arrived from Hong Kong.

Whilst it looks well made it is truly tiny in comparison to other 3A PSUs that I own. This is more the size that I would expect to be rated 1 to 1.5A max. I do not trust its rating and so will not be using it with the UTD1025C just in case its been over rated.
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« Reply #28 on: February 24, 2012, 08:36:34 pm »
Here are the Pictures







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« Reply #29 on: February 24, 2012, 09:15:23 pm »
Many thanks for the pictures, very informative  :)

My Bluepoint/Snap-on 20A/30A shunt module differs a little to the 4A/6A unit that you have and no sign of a fuse  :o

I attach some pictures of it.

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Re: My 'new' Uni-Trend UTD1025C DSO has arrived - love it !
« Reply #30 on: February 24, 2012, 09:25:38 pm »
Fuse?  How could you install a fuse without defeating the operation of the shunt?
 

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« Reply #31 on: February 24, 2012, 10:04:05 pm »
Aurora are the pictures enough or do you need a wiring diagram  for 6mA to 600mA "shunt"
 

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« Reply #32 on: February 24, 2012, 10:20:10 pm »
Ron,

These units are deigned to plug into the multimeter voltage input socket of the UTD1025C. The Shunts just produce XmV/A and the UTD1025C measures the voltage and displays the current.  They have a pair of IN connectors (for the probes) and a pair of OUT connectors (connect to the UTD1025C). It is perfectly normal to place an HRC fuse in series with the positive feed from the input connector before it reaches one end of the Shunt. This is a safety overload device, as found in any quality multimeter design. To provide a safety overload protection for these particular high current modules, fused probes would be needed. It is sometimes found that cheap current measuring circuits incorporate a thin fuseable PCB trace as a cheap 'last ditch' safety device. No sign of such here.

Hope this makes the situation a little clearer.

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« Reply #33 on: February 24, 2012, 10:21:41 pm »
Jegan,

I sent you a PM. If the schematic for the low current module is available from you, I would be most grateful for it.

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« Reply #34 on: February 24, 2012, 10:46:25 pm »
Funny, there appear to be protection diodes in the 4-400 mA shunt, but none in the 4 A / 6 A shunt. I also love the 'do not open unless you are specialist' comment. Is anyone going to claim they're specialized in these plug-in shunts?
 

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« Reply #35 on: February 24, 2012, 11:00:44 pm »
Aurora
Thanks for your reply-- yet I don't get it.  What are you wanting to protect?
For example an 11amp HRC Buss Fuse has a nominal resistance ~ .017ohm.  Putting it in series with the shunt would induce error.  Putting it in series with the output (between shunt and meter) seems pointless.   What am I missing? 

edit: I might be wrong about the resistance of the fuse, but it is appreciable and not thermally stable.  If that weren't the case one could just use a fuse for the shunt itself...no?
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« Reply #36 on: February 24, 2012, 11:19:47 pm »
You connect the fuse in series, but connect the outputs just across the shunt resistors:
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The fuse does not introduce any error, it only increases the burden voltage.

You are trying to protect the shunt resistor, leads and the user, since the failure mode may be rather violent. Imagine connecting the shunt across a 48 V UPS battery pack or mains. Those may source hundreds of amps, causing extreme heat in the shunt and leads, possibly melting them and injuring the user.
 

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« Reply #37 on: February 24, 2012, 11:42:48 pm »
Let's see ... your lab ...
Aoyue "Int"852 .
5 Pace soldering stations (!)
Something that looks like a X-tronic 4040 / more like a 850d+
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a weird tall soldering station on the left side on the desk that i think must be a metcal ? or is it ersa ? or is it some funny brand ?
I actually bought one of those blue BEST Magnifying lamps then now i switched to a 11W florescent magnifying lamps .
Love those PCB vices , used to use a stupid old third hand thing nowdays i use a panavise "vacuum base vice" clone .
I have 2 936's and both are very different in characteristics , my 858d+ is broken , thanks to a overheating triac and a broken mica insulator paper on the heating element . ( I love to stay minimal and small , hate diaphragm pumps at the same time , lousy ones just rattle the shit off my table . )
Anyway what's the thing with pipes underneath the desoldering station ? A solder pot ?
Just under the black slanted pace soldering station , another pcb holder ?
What's that blue box there ? Ohh some lovely stuff , can you like name the rest of the 4 things with many buttons and knobs ? ( underneath the blue box )
2 Lamps . I use a IKEA Tertial lamp with a 22W CFL .
I'm having problems looking for a "flux remover" or "solvent remover" thing here ...
 

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Re: My 'new' Uni-Trend UTD1025C DSO has arrived - love it !
« Reply #38 on: February 24, 2012, 11:54:03 pm »
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Thanks for the sketch  :) 
Burden voltage is the source of error I am referring to.  I am thinking of shunts on the order of .01ohm. Using a hand-held shunt to measure hundreds of amps is something I'd not attempt.
I'd just use a clamp meter or wait for Dave's next kit ... The MEGA-MACRO CURRENT.
 

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« Reply #39 on: February 25, 2012, 12:01:51 am »
Using a hand-held shunt to measure hundreds of amps is something I'd not attempt.

This is not about what you intentionally do, but what you accidentally do. E.g. accidentally sticking the probes in parallel to a powerful voltage source.
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« Reply #40 on: February 25, 2012, 10:29:52 am »
As an additional note regarding my 20A/30A shunt from Bluepoint-Snap-on. This unit was sold for automotive diagnostics. I mean no disrespect to auto electricians, but when they cock up a test it can involve many hundreds of Amperes from a sizeable energy source. The result of making the wrong connections or measuring an unexpectedly high current flow would normally be a blown HRC fuse and the cost of replacing it. With the unit I have, no fuse in the same scenario will mean a very melted shunt module casing at the very least as the shunt will glow like a lamp  :o

With regard to accuracy, I should be honest here....the UTD-1025C is a lovely handheld DSO, but the multimeter built into it is nothing special at all. The specifications for accuracy tell the whole story here. The multimeter is a separate module within the unit and sits between the Channel modules. Its the grey module in my photographs. It is a convenience to have rather than a seriously accurate meter. I find the requirement to insert current shunt modules an inconvenience and odd decision on the part of Uni-Trend....an after thought ? Probe and pocket multimeters have the same sort of characteristics as the UTD-1025C multimeter module and they often do not support much in the way of current measuring capability either but the low current capability module could easily have been built into the oscilloscopes case as no large shunts are involved.


To summarise, the shunt modules are a compromise solution to provide a simple multimeter module with some current measuring capability. They are no way lab quality but then neither is the multimeter module  ;)  There should still be a Fuse though, especially in an automotive environment 30A current shunt !

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« Reply #41 on: February 25, 2012, 10:53:16 am »
DaveS,

Thanks for your interest in my lab. I will provide the list of my soldering kit later  :)


The blue box is a 100dB Telonic RF attenuator. The units underneath are various AF & RF signal generators plus a frequency counter. I will provide detail later as my better half has some jobs for me to do.

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« Reply #42 on: February 26, 2012, 11:55:10 am »
Dave.S.

I can assure you I'm not a wealthy techie  ;) I repair Lowe HF receivers for free as a service to the user community so I am no businessman either !

I have built up my current inventory of equipment over 30+ years and have been an electronics hobbyist since the age of 7 when I repaired cassette recorders and radios. Recently I did a refresh of some of the equipment and I will admit it has cost me more than I would have liked, but you have to equip for the latest technologies if you intend to service them.

As a hint that I may regret making public...I often buy faulty test equipment that people tend to shy away from and then repair it. Some are easy (like the UTD-1025C) others are royal pains and take a lot of time and effort BUT buying a multi thousand dollar piece of test equipment and repairing it, all for a total coat of less than $100 does give me a buzz  ;D I have done this often and its usually PSU related faults that are cheap to repair.

With regard to my soldering kit.... I used to use a Weller Magnastat soldring iron and it is still on my bench. I was gifted two more and a Weller desoldering station as the commercial world is moving to newer technologies. I was in the right pace at the right time. The Pace soldering kit has all been purchased in 2011 when I upgraded my capability to SMD working. All of my Pace equipment was bought from ebay auctions. A brand new ST45 soldering station with PS70 iron and stand cost me GBP45  :) A real bargain. I purchased some used, but great condition,  PS40A clever digital soldering stations very cheaply (around GBP30 I think) One had a good PS70 iron whilst the other had a well used older IR-1 iron. I have since bought three brand new PS70 irons at GBP30 each which is great considering the elements are more than GBP70each. There was an analogue Pace base station being sold for around GBP20 so I bought that as well just in case I needed an extra base station in the future. The Pace VF100 desoldering gun is a work of art and true industrial quality. That cost me GBP60 brand new in the box from a recycling seller on ebay. They normally cost a small fortune new from Pace ! The W.E.P hot air and soldering station cost me GBP80 new and delivered from a UK seller. The Aoyue hot air station came from an ebay recycling seller and was stated as having a faulty LED display segment. It cost me GBP29 and the fault was just a poorly seated chip on the display board. Its as new as it was a customer return. I bought a bran new pair of OKI SMD soldering tweezers for GBP16 from a recycling seller on ebay in the hope of modifying a base unit to run them, or find a cheap OKI base unit. After 6 months I purchased a perfect condition OKI digital base station for GBP20 so I have an industrial quality professional soldering tweezers set for just GBP36  ;D My last purchase was a lovely Aoyue (CSI branded) desoldering gun for through hole work. It cost around GBP60 and works like a charm. For information, the diaphragm pumps in my hot air and desoldering stations are ALL quiet in operation and produce virtually no noticeable vibration on the bench. Buyers MUST remove the transit lock down screws as failing to do so make the unit very noisy and causes masses of vibration. This has been the cause of some customer returns when the user did not read the manual. Again, you can win if you buy such from a recycler  ;D Just remove the 1 to 3 red screws an all is well. If a unit with a diaphragm pump vibrates or is very noisy, something is wrong and should be investigated.

 have recently purchased a PACE TF200 ThermoFlow hot air station for a very reasonable sum. It is without the heater cartridge....the heaters cost GBP500 (yes GBP500!) so no surprise that there was little interest in this superb unit. When working, it can deliver accurate heat in a process controlled manner with ramp up, maintain and ramp down sequences for BGA work and similar  :) I bought it because I like a challenge. I have done some investigation of the design and discovered that I can probably use a cheap Chinese sourced heater assembly designed as a high quality replacement for the 852DE Auoye stations. The heater has the required voltage rating, wattage and thermocouple built in to the tip  :) The other challenge was to modify the handpiece and to make a heat tube for the element. The answer was to buy a Chinese replacement 852D+ standard handpiece and use it as a replacement part or a parts donor. The cost to date of this ongoing modification...GBP5 for the high quality ceramic insulator element  and GBP8 for the 852D+ handpiece. The unit was worth every penny I paid for it in terms of the fun I am having solving the puzzle of how to fit a different heater and heat tube. When its working it will be a great SMD tool to use.   

As you can see, it is possible to equip yourself with very good quality equipment for a reasonable price  and significantly less than buying new of similar quality. I take great pride in my equipment and tools but I am not too proud to buy used equipment and then repair or restore it to its former glory. For me that is part of the joy of electronics.

My advice is t search for a local industrial electronics recycling company, they tend to have vast piles of amazing kit that they just wish to shift quickly for a small profit per item with no guarantee or warranty given. I have a 'pet' recycling company in my town, and can pick up equipment that is heavy and so avoid postage costs as well  :)  Rohde and Schwartz, Marconi, HP...... all manner of equipment is often 'binned' by big commercial workshops and labs when they are too old for manufacturer support or calibration failures.

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Re: My 'new' Uni-Trend UTD1025C DSO has arrived - love it !
« Reply #43 on: February 26, 2012, 12:05:02 pm »
I like, the order of his laboratory   ;)
 

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« Reply #44 on: February 26, 2012, 12:06:31 pm »
Not any more !....it was just completed when I took the photos...there is kit all over the benches at the moment  ;D

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« Reply #45 on: February 26, 2012, 12:13:53 pm »
I was asked what the unit was on the left that looked like a solder POT....it's a PACE HS200 Solder Wave PCB preheater for SMD work. The controller is fully digital and can produce all manner of temperature gradients for a particular PCB. Conductive, radiated and forced air convective heat is available as required. It a real beauty that I stumbled up from a recyclers ebay auction. I got it for GBP32 because people didn't know what it was. All i had to do was make up some silicon air hoses for it (GBP3 from my local Aquarium shop) I later found an 'as new' controller on ebay and won it for GBP5 with no other bidders....people didn't know what a 'Heat Wave controller' was  ;D The controller retails at some crazy price from PACE so now I have a good spare in case my first unit dies.

Thank heavens for recycling companies  ;D

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« Reply #46 on: February 27, 2012, 09:19:28 pm »
The spare heaters that I just purchased from China are a high quality replacement for my hot air stations. They are a spiral wound heater element wrapped around a ceramic former and have the thermocouple mounted at the end. The heaters came with a free replacement Mica insulator tube which would solve that problem for you. TRIACS are cheap so it would be worth fitting a new one.

The auction for the heaters is here:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/220V-Hot-Air-Gun-Heating-Element-Core-SAIKE-852D-/280547486260?pt=BI_Electrical_Equipment_Tools&hash=item4151eeea34

A mica former is shown in the picture bu that has been upgraded to ceramic.

The W.E.P hot air station is the 852D+ diaphragm pump model with a hot air handpiece and a soldering iron.

I also bought the cheap Atten 858D+ but I can't really recommend it as the unit, as delivered from China, is not well finished and needs work to make it safe. A UK company (Labtronix.co.uk) does all the safety upgrade work before selling these units to the UK public so his should be OK.

The IR station that you mention sounds very interesting as the price is very low for such a device. The IR lamps alone can cost around $100 each but the prices have been dropping recently. I understood these units to be very well suited to BGA rework but I'm not sure about other SMT rework performance. Care to share the details of the supplier here ?

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« Reply #47 on: March 27, 2012, 09:47:06 am »
Hi Aurora.
I envy your lab and order which reigns in your table. The work done by you is worthy of all praise.

Let me ask you opinion, is it worth buying UNI-T utd1102c 1100$ or preferably purchase HANTEK DSO1102B 660$? I saw a good quality UNI-T in your pictures, but it can save costs with HANTEK. Please, let me know, because i am in great confusion with choose between two models. I am not a professional, but I love to do something interest with electronics. Thank you.
 

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« Reply #48 on: March 27, 2012, 07:37:03 pm »
Owon SDS1102V get the new ones with VGA And Lan .
around 500$ who can complain ?
 

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« Reply #49 on: March 27, 2012, 09:49:29 pm »
Dean,

I have to be very honest here and state that I only bought the UNI-T UTD1025C because it was a fraction of the normal price due to a minor fault (that I have now repaired). The compromise of the handheld models is sampling rate and the associated lower 'bang per buck' rate when compared to portable bench DSO's like the Rigol DS1052E . I personally like my Rigol DS1052E DSO and it is very portable, just not handheld.....1GS/s + easily user upgraded to 100MHz true analogue bandwidth....for only around $300....a very good bang per buck ratio and other similar high spec models are now available.

Handheld DSO's are a bit of a luxury item suited to the VERY mobile technician. In many cases a small bench DSO is equally useful. I regret I cannot offer advice on the different models of handheld DSO as I have no personal experience with units similar to the UTD1025C. All my previous handheld DSO's have been cheap Vellerman and TTi units that are very inferior in terms of performance. I can't even give you a thorough review of the UTD1025C as it awaits my attention after an unfortunate period of illness struck me down and prevents me 'playing' in the lab.

It is my view that the colour handheld DSO are very attractive but do not pay a significant premium for this portability and small size unless you really need it.

Hope this helps

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