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Re: Any opinions on the AiXun T3A?
« Reply #1075 on: December 01, 2023, 10:44:57 am »
I was soldering on a PCB yesterday and I happened to have my oscilloscope probe still connected to the board. I could see the heating pulses appearing on the PCB when I was soldering with the T3A.

Is this thing dumping voltage into my PCBs???
 

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Re: Any opinions on the AiXun T3A?
« Reply #1076 on: December 01, 2023, 12:36:53 pm »
Can you make sure that thermocouple connected to the outer shell off the cartridge?
 

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Re: Any opinions on the AiXun T3A?
« Reply #1077 on: December 01, 2023, 09:33:23 pm »
What thermocouple?
 

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Re: Any opinions on the AiXun T3A?
« Reply #1078 on: December 03, 2023, 03:13:32 pm »
Hopefully you will forgive me for sharing my own content but it should give an idea of the voltage leak of this thing.

Thoughts?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6rK7ACrbukI
 
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Re: Any opinions on the AiXun T3A?
« Reply #1079 on: December 13, 2023, 04:32:37 pm »
I wish I could, when I downgraded before 1.33 I think, the display is unreadable, they must have changed something there and only latest FW is supporting it.

Uhm, that very much looks like a inverted display (IPS normally black vs. IPS normally white). Weird.
AiXun T3A reverse engineering: https://github.com/c0d3z3r0/aixun_t3a_rev
AiXun T3x F(L)OSS update tool: https://github.com/c0d3z3r0/aixun_t3x_updater
 

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Re: Any opinions on the AiXun T3A?
« Reply #1080 on: December 13, 2023, 04:36:05 pm »
Hopefully you will forgive me for sharing my own content but it should give an idea of the voltage leak of this thing.

Thoughts?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6rK7ACrbukI

Well, I guess that's the same problem like in the other thread with grounded boards.
Don't solder grounded boards. Period. ;)
AiXun T3A reverse engineering: https://github.com/c0d3z3r0/aixun_t3a_rev
AiXun T3x F(L)OSS update tool: https://github.com/c0d3z3r0/aixun_t3x_updater
 

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Re: Any opinions on the AiXun T3A?
« Reply #1081 on: December 15, 2023, 09:50:54 am »
It's not practical!

Sometimes ground IS in the way, period!  ;)
 

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Re: Any opinions on the AiXun T3A?
« Reply #1082 on: December 24, 2023, 01:24:32 pm »
Hi everyone! After trying to flash with ST-Link utility, I accidentally erased all mcu(GD32F305RET6). Aixun T3B died. I wrote to the seller and developers, but was sent "far away".  The microcontroller is flashed, but nothing happens, just a white screen. As I understand it, the bootloader is wiped. Does anyone have dumps for t3b? And how to flash it correctly? Help please!!!
 

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Re: Any opinions on the AiXun T3A?
« Reply #1083 on: December 25, 2023, 07:28:52 am »
It's for T3a but you can find useful informations here.
https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/viewtopic.php?p=20656000#20656000
 

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Re: Any opinions on the AiXun T3A?
« Reply #1084 on: December 26, 2023, 08:57:39 am »
My friend, thank you for your help. In general, the Chinese sent me "far away" and refused to give me the firmware. On your recommendation I went to read that forum, tried different firmware, things have moved a bit, now instead of the white screen appears the Aixun logo with a beeping buzzer, then a white screen and so on in a circle.  Tried to write to a full dump, firmware update from my T3B, there was a sign with hieroglyphics, something about the update, connected to usb, but, descriptor failure, the update program did not see the station. Forced installation of the driver also did not give the result, As I understood, bootloaders from T3a and T3b are only partially compatible, or prescribed the wrong byte options, did not find what is needed, I do not know what should be there. Maybe someone has a complete firmware from t3b? Any information.
 

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Re: Any opinions on the AiXun T3A?
« Reply #1085 on: December 30, 2023, 08:57:54 am »
Hi, could someone please do a full firmware dump of the Aixun T3B?
 

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Re: Any opinions on the AiXun T3A?
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Re: Any opinions on the AiXun T3A?
« Reply #1087 on: January 03, 2024, 12:32:40 pm »
Hi, could someone please do a full firmware dump of the Aixun T3B?

Not sure what you mean by "full". You can try here https://aixun-updates.github.io/#t3b there are some firmware files for T3B.
 

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Re: Any opinions on the AiXun T3A?
« Reply #1088 on: January 03, 2024, 06:18:58 pm »
Ask the seller if you can buy a new control board, if not then ask this seller
https://pl.aliexpress.com/item/1005003127353314.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.order_list_main.101.559d1c24ZEvNL3&gatewayAdapt=glo2pol

Thank you! I wrote to this seller, he sent a new board.
 
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Re: Any opinions on the AiXun T3A?
« Reply #1089 on: January 03, 2024, 06:20:13 pm »
Hi, could someone please do a full firmware dump of the Aixun T3B?

Not sure what you mean by "full". You can try here https://aixun-updates.github.io/#t3b there are some firmware files for T3B.

FULL dump. this bootloader T3B + firmware
 

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Re: Any opinions on the AiXun T3A?
« Reply #1090 on: January 04, 2024, 01:04:08 pm »
AiXun T3A reverse engineering: https://github.com/c0d3z3r0/aixun_t3a_rev
AiXun T3x F(L)OSS update tool: https://github.com/c0d3z3r0/aixun_t3x_updater
 

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Re: Any opinions on the AiXun T3A?
« Reply #1091 on: January 07, 2024, 01:44:39 pm »
Ask the seller if you can buy a new control board, if not then ask this seller
https://pl.aliexpress.com/item/1005003127353314.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.order_list_main.101.559d1c24ZEvNL3&gatewayAdapt=glo2pol

Thank you! I wrote to this seller, he sent a new board.

Do a dump, please :-)

how to make a dump if RDP protection? glitch volt?
 

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Re: Any opinions on the AiXun T3A?
« Reply #1092 on: January 07, 2024, 05:36:45 pm »
Ask the seller if you can buy a new control board, if not then ask this seller
https://pl.aliexpress.com/item/1005003127353314.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.order_list_main.101.559d1c24ZEvNL3&gatewayAdapt=glo2pol

Thank you! I wrote to this seller, he sent a new board.

Do a dump, please :-)

how to make a dump if RDP protection? glitch volt?

T3A was not protected. I guess T3B isn't as well (except they added it with any of the updates)
AiXun T3A reverse engineering: https://github.com/c0d3z3r0/aixun_t3a_rev
AiXun T3x F(L)OSS update tool: https://github.com/c0d3z3r0/aixun_t3x_updater
 

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Re: Any opinions on the AiXun T3A?
« Reply #1093 on: January 25, 2024, 01:31:44 am »
New Firmware released for the T3A a couple of days ago (also one for the T3AS) -

AiXun T3A
1.36 (2024-01-23)JC_M_T3A_1.36.bin
Fixed some known bugs;


Those pesky "known bugs" again....

Anyone had a play and know if it actually fixes anything??
 

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Re: Any opinions on the AiXun T3A?
« Reply #1094 on: January 25, 2024, 05:45:50 pm »
New Firmware released for the T3A a couple of days ago (also one for the T3AS) -

AiXun T3A
1.36 (2024-01-23)JC_M_T3A_1.36.bin
Fixed some known bugs;


Those pesky "known bugs" again....

Anyone had a play and know if it actually fixes anything??
When an update says it fixes known bugs it hardly ever fixes the ones most users find very quickly when they use the product. On the other hand we generally don't notice any improvement. "known bugs" seems to have become another way of saying "obscure, low priority, bugs we just happen to have stumbled across".
 

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Re: Any opinions on the AiXun T3A?
« Reply #1095 on: January 28, 2024, 06:50:08 pm »
Hello everyone,
I've used those Aixun for quite some time right now and they are pretty good for the job.
I'm using an external 1000w power supply to power 2 of these T3A stations but they are giving me some problems as of now.
Both of the stations are having problems with dormancy/sleep.

One station simply can't do go sleep, no matter if I insert it in the stand or not.
This first station is showing strange behavior when the tip is not plugged, it still keeps pumping power and the temperature reading jumps around without control.

The other one shows completely opposite behavior, it stays permanent in sleep mode and won't heat up anymore(perma green sleep).
I noticed if I plug/unplug the tips it gets heated up for a really brief moment (200-500ms+-) but the screen is showing perma sleep mode without changing even in this brief moment.

I've tried different tips but without success, anyone knows the source of the problem?
At the moment I've ordered another handle from the Aixun aliexpress seller to see if that's the problem.

Can i use the original JBC T245 handle with the T3A?
If yes, how's the pinout? Is it the same as the T3A clone? Would it be worth it?

Ready to send pictures and videos if it helps explain and get some help. Kinda don't want to waste money anymore on soldering stations... Maybe get an original one?
Hopefully i'll fix completely those two with your help.
« Last Edit: January 28, 2024, 06:53:19 pm by noSoundex »
 

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Re: Any opinions on the AiXun T3A?
« Reply #1096 on: January 29, 2024, 09:53:17 pm »
Can i use the original JBC T245 handle with the T3A?
Yes

I did this and rewired an original T245-PA hand piece with the GX12-5 connector.
I will discuss this more at the bottom of the post.

If yes, how's the pinout?
You can find the pin-out here: https://www.printables.com/model/497695-aixun-t3a-front-esd-protector-filter or https://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/any-opinions-on-the-aixun-t3a/msg4258522/#msg4258522

The T245 pin out is easy to find, just google "JBC T245 pinout".  It has 3 colour coded wires, it is not complicated honestly, you'll see quickly how easy it is.

Is it the same as the T3A clone?
No, next to each other none of the Aixun hand pieces are identical to the JBC originals.
Not T245 and not T115 (especially not T115)

I'm not implying they are inferior quality, they just clearly aren't from the same factory because there are differences.
The latest T245 hand piece the T420D comes with is very nearly identical to the JBC handle, I'm not convinced it is worth going for JBC original over the Aixun T420D handle.
They T245 Aixun on the T240D is just slightly shorter than the original hand piece and other than the markings, you'd have to hold them next to each other to tell.

Aixun hand pieces don't come with the little smoke cover plug thing either

Would it be worth it?
I've got the original hand pieces, so I haven't used the Aixun extensively, only JBC.
But if you are strapped for cash, I recommend you stick to the Aixun handle until you have a need to do otherwise.
I'm not, and wasn't strapped for cash, my job is incredible high pressure, high time demand and I do electronics as a hobby to relax.
So I spent the money to avoid wasting time, which I have little of, but it was not based on an actual problem I had.

I've only used the original JBC tips and hand piece because I wanted as close to JBC original as possible and not run into issues.
But I can't bring myself to buy a JBC station.
It is just too much money and there are plenty of cases of exceptionally questionable build quality on JBC stations. (again not money related, quality and no compelling reason IMO)

I now own a T3A and T420D.
I really like both.
The T420D operates the same way as the original JBC, and doesn't have the grounding bug T3A does (see Tony359 on YouTube)
Is the T420D worth the extra money?

I'm honestly not sure, my T3A soldered like a champ, I'm using a T115 now too and that I'm super happy I got that, which is why I got the T420D so I could run T245 and T115 from the same station.

But if I was only running T245 would it have been worth the money to replace T3A with T420D?
In a word, no, not to me.
My day job isn't electronics however, it is just a hobby, so maybe if I have a repair shop I'd say yes.

If you compare JBC original station to Aixun T420D, hands down the Aixun IMO.
The build quality is excellent, something JBC doesn't even get right.
I opened mine and it is identical to what SDG got, the quality on that station is excellent.
It is not usual Chinese stuff, there is no left over flux on the T420D PCB, the component layout is on point and they didn't bodge anything on that board.

Can i use the original JBC T245 handle with the T3A?
Now that we've talked about my attempt at providing you with an unbiased opinion, let's talk about if you really wanted a genuine JBC hand piece.

I said I replaced my T245-PA hand piece connector with a GX12-5 connector.
Do I recommend it?

No, since I got the T420D which uses the original JBC connectors, I've put the JBC connector back.
I created a 3d printed model to convert the PCB mount version of JBC connector to a GX12-5.

If you aren't a 3d printer person or cad isn't your thing I'm sure you can figure something out.
But I'd recommend leaving the JBC overpriced hand-piece in factory condition and making an "adaptor".
« Last Edit: January 29, 2024, 10:22:58 pm by GnomeZA »
 

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Re: Any opinions on the AiXun T3A?
« Reply #1097 on: January 30, 2024, 03:38:44 pm »
Good to hear the 420D behaves ok when ground is involved. Too bad the issues I highlighted were not public before I purchased mine - or at least I didn't find anything online when I looked. A T3A without the voltage leak and grounding issue would be a nice one.

Do you think there is a way to develop a similar station with an SMPS supply without those issues? Just curious.
 

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« Last Edit: January 30, 2024, 05:22:58 pm by ndarjo21 »
 

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Re: Any opinions on the AiXun T3A?
« Reply #1099 on: January 30, 2024, 05:29:52 pm »
If what Gnomeza say is true, then perhaps it is possible to modify cheaper mechanic c211 which have 24v transformer and use buck converter 12v.
But actually aixun t420d use different winding for heating element. And the controller use 15v winding. (Based on Steve video)
« Last Edit: January 30, 2024, 05:32:41 pm by ndarjo21 »
 


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