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Re: SUN MGA 1200 EXHAUST GAS ANALYSER NEWBIE DUMPSTER CHALLENGE
« Reply #50 on: November 09, 2014, 10:56:44 pm »
The MGA1200 also has the 3 potentiometers on the Andros analogue board for setting.
Have to agree on the real engineering quality there  :-+
The first GA single Co meter i used was a Sun analogue 'needle'  :bullshit: type in 1984/5 and that was about $6000  :wtf: at the time in the U.K.   30 years on......and a far better one is thrown in the skip  :palm:  Criminal throw away tech world  :--
But Hey, good for us that can appreciate what we have gained  :-+

Advise for the O2 chemical cell......it has a limited life if left in the gas it's detecting, i have read that if it is not used much.....to place it in a small sealed container, better still to vacuum it or fill will OFN, to extend its useful lifespan. Hope this may help you?
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Re: SUN MGA 1200 EXHAUST GAS ANALYSER NEWBIE DUMPSTER CHALLENGE
« Reply #51 on: November 10, 2014, 12:49:39 am »
I just found a couple of MGA1800 rigs complete with dot matrix printers, terminal, etc. going for £50 or less on ebay UK (Pickup only of course). Bargain, but just too far south for me.

I'm amazed to see that some dealers still sell the old Gunson analyser as brand new  (old stock maybe?) that are only good enough for ancient carb vehicles with lax emission standards for over £150 too.
 

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Re: SUN MGA 1200 EXHAUST GAS ANALYSER NEWBIE DUMPSTER CHALLENGE
« Reply #52 on: November 10, 2014, 01:08:34 am »
The DGA will all be locked out as calibration expired, same gas bench as the MGA1200, quality industrial sturdy stand. I rescued the gas bench draw from one going for scrap, for spares. Not sure what Sun would charge to unlock & calibrate the DGA1800 ?  £150/200?
Give them a call? Sun Electric (uk) Ltd, Oldmedow Rd, King's Lynn, Norfolk PE30 4JW   0843 259 5464

The gunson is just a hot wire toy, useless. The kane may & snapon handy gas are supposed to be rubbish for automotive use too.
 

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Re: SUN MGA 1200 EXHAUST GAS ANALYSER NEWBIE DUMPSTER CHALLENGE
« Reply #53 on: November 10, 2014, 06:56:44 am »
obd.tech check your pm, I took you up on your automotive knowledge offer.
 

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Re: SUN MGA 1200 EXHAUST GAS ANALYSER NEWBIE DUMPSTER CHALLENGE
« Reply #54 on: November 10, 2014, 06:13:44 pm »
stop/tail bulb pwm from opel corsa attached mr poot36. Hope this helps?
p.s. thats the sidelight phase, brake light is fully 'On'
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Re: SUN MGA 1200 EXHAUST GAS ANALYSER NEWBIE DUMPSTER CHALLENGE
« Reply #55 on: November 11, 2014, 04:29:41 am »
Thanks for the scope trace but the issue that I am having is BMW specific.
 

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Re: SUN MGA 1200 EXHAUST GAS ANALYSER NEWBIE DUMPSTER CHALLENGE
« Reply #56 on: February 06, 2018, 07:03:31 pm »
Hi all,
I used to work for a Jaguar specialist back in the 90's , We had a Sun MGA1200 there and had fond memories of that job and also remembering what a great machine  it was  , so i was looking on ebay and saw a MGA1200 which i bid on and won for £40 !
but a 360 mile round trip to pick it up lol ,
I owner said it was working perfectly when he last used it 15 years ago but it was sold as seen so was expecting problems , After i did some Googling i found this forum and discovered lack of technical knowledge,
So i plugged it in and it came up with an error and a code number  but after about 5 minuets of running there was a huge bang and flash from the back tripping the rcd on the workshop fuse board ,
The power switch had blown up so i bypassed it now i had a new code AC bugger ! ,
I phoned my Snap on man and he gave me the number for Sun support , I was lucky enough to speak to Paul how used to service and repair them back in the day and first off sent me a pdf of the owners manual , He is so knowledgeable and patient , he did all over the phone and email it was not easy but i have got it working now a part from he is waiting for a new service code but he did all of this for free ! including the service code , he was happy that someone was still interested in this machine ,
I would recommend phoning them with any problems , I hope this has helped you guys
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I can not attach the pdf of the owners manual its too big so email me and i will send it on sorry
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Re: SUN MGA 1200 EXHAUST GAS ANALYSER NEWBIE DUMPSTER CHALLENGE
« Reply #57 on: February 07, 2018, 01:57:33 am »

I can not attach the pdf of the owners manual its too big so email me and i will send it on sorry

For large files you can sign up completely anonymous mega.nz account(s) for a free 50GB each of encrypted cloud storage. You can use a throwaway email address to signup like user121gw@mailinator.com see the mailinator website for that

Then just provide the mega.nz link to the file or folder. I find folder links are easier to share. Don't forget to tick the box for the decryption key to be included in the link :-+
 

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Re: SUN MGA 1200 EXHAUST GAS ANALYSER NEWBIE DUMPSTER CHALLENGE
« Reply #58 on: February 07, 2018, 10:26:58 am »
I had one MGA1200 but couldn't find service manual and decided to take it apart.
If there is service manual available I would like to try to use only CO and HC measurement part.
Theory for NDIR measurement of gas concentrations is interesting and if the IR source lamp is not damaged should not be difficult to try to use it.
I have all the parts so if one is interested in component values  I can take a look at the boards.

 

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Re: SUN MGA 1200 EXHAUST GAS ANALYSER NEWBIE DUMPSTER CHALLENGE
« Reply #59 on: February 07, 2018, 11:04:30 am »
...  and if the IR source lamp is not damaged should not be difficult to try to use it.
Even if they are damaged, you can repair them easily.
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Re: SUN MGA 1200 EXHAUST GAS ANALYSER NEWBIE DUMPSTER CHALLENGE
« Reply #61 on: November 10, 2018, 10:43:21 pm »
hi there i don't know if anyone can help me ,today i purchased a 4 gas analyser sun mga 1200 and it was not working,i replaced a few pipes stripped the pumps down cleaned and now I'm not getting LOF lack of flow great fixed,the problem i have now its asking for service this is a Mot thing these can be switch off does anyone know how to do this or they have a unlock code cheers Dave
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Re: SUN MGA 1200 EXHAUST GAS ANALYSER NEWBIE DUMPSTER CHALLENGE
« Reply #62 on: November 10, 2018, 11:28:24 pm »
Is the pump running?
Are all check valves clean ?
Did you replace bad and plug up hoses ?

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Re: SUN MGA 1200 EXHAUST GAS ANALYSER NEWBIE DUMPSTER CHALLENGE
« Reply #63 on: November 12, 2018, 02:04:05 pm »
The MGA1200 also has the 3 potentiometers on the Andros analogue board for setting.
There's a test point on the board you can monitor to aid setting those pots (interesting waveform BTW, it makes the operation of the bench really clear) but there are more than three pots, the bench is calibrated for span and zero so with a 'scope attached you set the zero gas levels to be equal, then feed it cal gas (find a friendly SPX/Bear user if they're not extinct and borrow their tank (1 year cal interval and only £150 or free with service contract but my UKAS lab is now in the hands of someone else) or beg some from a cal engineer's UKAS bottle) and adjust the other pots for correct values on the display/computer screen.

There's also reference voltage, 'black' level, speed of the 'wheel', servo for the IR source (you can fry the source) and a bunch of other 'stuff'. You can get yourself in a proper mess if you 'twiddle' randomly.

I preferred the later Andros 6100 benches as used in the later machines because the early bench electronics didn't have the analogue resolution for accurate work on catalytic converter equipped vehicles, the later Andros 6000 benches with the larger piggyback board were really good.

Have to agree on the real engineering quality there  :-+
The first GA single Co meter i used was a Sun analogue 'needle'  :bullshit: type in 1984/5 and that was about $6000  :wtf: at the time in the U.K.   30 years on......and a far better one is thrown in the skip  :palm:  Criminal throw away tech world  :--
But Hey, good for us that can appreciate what we have gained  :-+

Advise for the O2 chemical cell......it has a limited life if left in the gas it's detecting, i have read that if it is not used much.....to place it in a small sealed container, better still to vacuum it or fill will OFN, to extend its useful lifespan. Hope this may help you?
Cheers
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Meh to engineering quality, they were built heavy but were shit, unreliable and that six month cal was as much for drift as well as regulatory requirements.
 
O2 sensor, nope, don't seal it in a bag, starving it of oxygen can ruin it as it won't 'restart', they're an electrochemical fuel cell, you're best just to purge the analyser with fresh air through an activated charcol filter.

The cells are usually supplied in a packet with an air port (unless someone has repacked it to sell it on form a bulk pack) and should have a life of over 2 years in atmosphere but it's shortened by exposure to hydrocarbons and various organic compounds.

City technologies have a bunch of useful information on their site about care and feeding of O2 and NOx cells.

There is an unlock on most if not all MOT analysers, but if it's a standard Andros 6x00 bench then there's a lot of software out there that doesn't have a cal interval enforced (obviously it can't be used for certification)

*edit* I am reliably informed the calibration bypass is a firmware change on the MGA1200, not an unlock as such, my source is probably correct but YMMV, I've asked how much it costs for the EPROMs.
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Re: SUN MGA 1200 EXHAUST GAS ANALYSER NEWBIE DUMPSTER CHALLENGE
« Reply #64 on: April 14, 2020, 09:41:21 am »
Can anyone upload the MGA-1200 manual again?

My MGA-1200 is not work, I think some pipes are attached in the wrong position.
 

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Re: SUN MGA 1200 EXHAUST GAS ANALYSER NEWBIE DUMPSTER CHALLENGE
« Reply #65 on: April 22, 2021, 06:35:15 am »
Hallo ich besitze auch ein SGA9000 leider sind alle Schläuche kaputt hat eventuell jemand Bild material?
würde mir sehr helfen.
wenn jemand ne Anleitung hätte wäre auch toll

Danke
 

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Re: SUN MGA 1200 EXHAUST GAS ANALYSER NEWBIE DUMPSTER CHALLENGE
« Reply #66 on: April 26, 2021, 11:39:28 am »
Hello
I looked but can not find pictures of the SGA9000 with installed hoses.

But I found my SGA9000 binder with lots of instructions and schematics. However, nothing in regards to hose placements. But it is very simple, just follow common sense and it will work.



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Re: SUN MGA 1200 EXHAUST GAS ANALYSER NEWBIE DUMPSTER CHALLENGE
« Reply #67 on: April 26, 2021, 03:31:10 pm »
Found this:

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Re: SUN MGA 1200 EXHAUST GAS ANALYSER NEWBIE DUMPSTER CHALLENGE
« Reply #68 on: June 28, 2021, 05:24:36 pm »
hi everyone,
 i'm new, i found your forum on google  :D

 i got a sun mga1200 that i need to overhaul, i would like to give a second life to this great tool, but it has the pipes completely disintegrated. ..unhappily for me it is impossible to know which pipes go to which place.
Does anyone have the manual for repairing or using an MGA1200? or then someone who could open the box and provide me with fairly precise photos of the location of the pipes?
Thank you
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Re: SUN MGA 1200 EXHAUST GAS ANALYSER NEWBIE DUMPSTER CHALLENGE
« Reply #69 on: August 15, 2022, 08:24:05 am »
Adding another request for the service manual or a few decent photos of the internal pipework. Picked up an MGA 1200 over the weekend, but the pipes are perished with little trace of where they're supposed to go! Strange since the wiring is well labelled, but not the pneumatics.
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Re: SUN MGA 1200 EXHAUST GAS ANALYSER NEWBIE DUMPSTER CHALLENGE
« Reply #70 on: August 15, 2022, 09:55:48 am »
Adding another request for the service manual or a few decent photos of the internal pipework. Picked up an MGA 1200 over the weekend, but the pipes are perished with little trace of where they're supposed to go! Strange since the wiring is well labelled, but not the pneumatics.

This is not complicated. Just follow common sense.
It is a series connection of a flow or two independent series connections of two independent flows like in the SGA9000.
Make sure to use good quality silicone rubber.
When I did such a job, I always used medical grade silicone tuning because they last forever.
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« Reply #71 on: August 15, 2022, 10:09:11 am »
I managed to get the service manual - there's no way I would have worked it out. There's several "Y" connectors which were just laying at the bottom of the unit. I would have not figured out the aspirator line either.

Hopefully I can get it up and running, though it definitely needs a few new filters

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Re: SUN MGA 1200 EXHAUST GAS ANALYSER NEWBIE DUMPSTER CHALLENGE
« Reply #72 on: July 13, 2023, 08:25:25 am »
I'm helping a friend with his Sun MGA 1200 and I've managed a couple of time to get it up running. But this time I'm stuck. The display says Sr ( service ) after warm up and calibration sequence and I don't even know where to beguin to look. The operators manual only refer to service so I guess I need a Service Manual. Anybody that can share that thing with me or know where I can get hold of it?
 

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« Reply #73 on: September 25, 2023, 09:26:13 pm »
I'm helping a friend with his Sun MGA 1200 and I've managed a couple of time to get it up running. But this time I'm stuck. The display says Sr ( service ) after warm up and calibration sequence and I don't even know where to beguin to look. The operators manual only refer to service so I guess I need a Service Manual. Anybody that can share that thing with me or know where I can get hold of it?
I get the Sr (Service Required) notification on my MGA 1200 when the RTC/Dallas clock is removed (and only the ram is installed).

The clock in these machines are a DS1216 with a piggy-backed TC5565APL-15 Toshiba that gets converted into a nvram by the Dallas as long as it has power.

My understanding is that older rom versions like v3.0~3.2 do not have a lock e.t.c. in the ROM. So i'm hoping that if someone reads this and has a MGA 1200 could dump the two 27C256 eproms.

I've got the manuals and my roms dumped and online on my personal blog/website.

Sofar i figured out that SUN used a password: "515324" to get into the service menu's. And you can skip the warmup by using the keys "451".

Update a few months later:
I have the service manual for the MGA-1200 now thanks to SteveyG
I also have the service manual for the SGA-9000.
And i've got the older rom versions that do not have MOT-lockout stuff build into them.
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