It's been tricky for me to reply to your post, but I will try.
"Don't be boring by banging on about trolling. It's very tedious. If you've got nothing constructive to say, then please don't say anything. The grown-ups are having a conversation, so don't interrupt."
Seems to be accusing me of going or being off-topic.
Yet, the rest of your post, seems to be a long political or similar post, with little to do, with the thread topic. If my quick glances at it, indicate correctly.
Given that you seem to have the UK flag set, and be talking and trying to sound like someone from the UK.
How come, all your prices are in dollars ($), e.g. see the post I just quoted.
Is that a Freudian slip-up, or is there another explanation?
I'm sorry for being rude, but it really pisses me off to be accused of being a "troll" when I am no such thing. I am arguing for something I believe in passionately, and every statement I make - including the critical ones - is heartfelt and genuine.
So for those who continue to label me as a troll, kindly piss off.
The "political" stuff you refer to is completely on-topic. It became clear that the practices most people on the thread find completely normal and acceptable, I find the opposite, and I was wondering if there could be a cultural basis to our different attitudes.
You asked about dollars. I got the impression that most people in this debate are American, so I used dollars as a small courtesy.
I'm also pissed off by people misrepresenting my position. I am not advocating open-ended working for free. I am putting forward an argument that - just as you sometimes expect the customer to pay for nothing*, sometimes it might be morally appropriate for you to work for nothing. This would be rare, but sometimes fair.
(*) And no: the argument that the customer is paying for your labour, not the fruits of your labour, is self-serving and so full of holes it's laughable. I don't feel the need to spell all that out again for you - we've done it to death.
I hope that has clarified the matters you raised. And again, I'm sorry for being rude, but I am NOT a fucking troll, and if anyone reading this is tempted to accuse me of such, either piss off or try to read and understand what I am actually advocating.
I think that is a good and robust answer, to my queries.
Thanks!
As far as I'm aware, we don't have actual evidence of the OP, being a known troll.
More suspicions and accusations (me included in that activity as well).
So maybe the innocent until proven guilty applies here?
I was following this thread, well BEFORE I first posted in it, and I've been unhappy at so many people boo-hewing, this possible business or self-employment model.
When a business or someone offers their services. There are all sorts of possible business models, they can follow. Including ones, which offer some of their services, for free.
But there can be clever business model sense, in these free offerings, if done right.
For example:
I'm not sure if it is still offered these days. But some tyre companies, would offer free puncture repair.
It worked out (my theory on why), because in many cases, such as for safety reasons. The customer will end up needing a new tyre(s). So, getting them to come round for the free puncture repairs, will often (how often is a very good question?), result in lucrative tyre sales, and maybe other services that company offers, such as Oil Changes etc.
Hypothetical scenario:
A computer shop, could offer cheap old computer repairs. As they either fix the computer or if it can't be economically fixed, they can sell the customer a new computer, that they sell and also charge for moving all the files from the old computer to the new one.
I.e. If done right, a specific business model, can be successful and profitable.
Even if it is NOT done right. That maybe how an upcoming self-employed or business, learns from their mistakes and later on improves upon and refines their business model.
E.g.
Amazon, started out, simple selling books online. They then improved their business model and now sell, just about anything, within reason.