Let me respond to the last comment first to put the others in perspective:
So stop with the greens and save the Earthers are the only ones buying cars. They are not.
I agree.
They are the only ones trying to shove them down everyones throats and exaggerate and plain lie about the thing to make them sound better than they actually are. That's what I get annoyed about, the constant and deceitful peddling of the green bias.
Look at the last few pages of this thread, the EV/ green washed have to convince everyone they are cheaper to run, more efficient... Who give a shit? Not me or you, only the green washed. We have shown multiple untruths the EVangalists have pushed but still they insist they have to be superior.
They parrot green mantra and don't know qa thing about cars to know what they are saying is BS.
Not a lot of people care about efficiency and cost to run down to a few cents per mile here or there especially. More people buy cars on the way they look, how many cup holders, the quality of the sound system and the colour than anything else.
I'm going to disagree with you on people being disappointed by EVs.
That's fair. It was an opinion not a fact
Have you or do you own one? I was against EVs as you are until we got one.
No, I don't own one and until they become more ICE like they would not suit my preferences and what I look for in a vehicle. I have driven 2, one for over a week. I did not dislike it but as I have already said, I found it no smoother than an ice due to the road surfaces although for a little car it did go better than I expected.
It's not a mater of economics either. In fuel/energy the EV might save me maybe $750 per year, but I think it's more like $500. But I do get a $30-$50 saving on my electricity dues to the lower EV rate. But that's NOT why I would by an EV. Reason for liking an EV is because I like that it's quite and most important it's convenient.
Now this I can respect and admire.
Not trying to shove it down anyones throats they are so superior or something they are not. Honest opinion and assessment that would endear me tot eh things a lot more than someone constantly trying to talk them up with rubbish I can prove is wrong or exceptionally unlikely.
No more having to look for and waste time at gas stations. With an ICE that's a once a week waste of time. With an EV I pull into the garage and plug in. In the morning my car is fully charged and ready to go.
Fair enough but you are talking to someone that's made their own fuel for 16 years so while I only visit servos for mower and garden equipment fuel, Fueling is not an issue to me.
It brings something to mind again I have considered with EV's though, and that is how women will take them.
Most women I know HATE putting fuel in a car and will run them on vapor and know exactly how far they can go with the fuel light glaring at them before the things stop. I wonder if they will be more comfortable plugging the things in or this too will be something to be avoided at all costs?
Plugging in SHOULD be quicker and easier but if it will be more accepted is something to wait and see.
I think most other aspects of EV's women will love. If I was marketing one, I'd be going back to the classic Ogilvy ad format and headlining a picture of the car with the headline, " You Never have to lift the bonnet OR go to a servo ever again". I reckon that one header would have them walking out the door.
[/quote] EVs aren't for everyone, [/quote]
Said no greenwashed cult pushing deciple ever.... but it's nice to hear someone state the Obvious when it is rarely otherwise admitted.
The other thing no one seems to mention is that cars today are disposable like cell phones and computers.
True and that is a valid point but I was still suggest the mentality when buying a major investment like a vehicle IS to think of the thing in either long term ownership like 10 years and / or resale value particularly those that like to turn their vehicles over ever 4-5 years.
I Fully believe the NEW EV you buy today and the next 5 years or so will Plummet in resale value as the avalanche of now models come out over that time and manufacturers will bust a gut like no other time to establish market share and brand leadership.
It gives for the opportunity for the underdogs and new players to achieve sales and revenues they have never been able to obtain before. I have seen it in other industries. One brand dominated, the digital age came along, the underdog went all out, established leadership and they will have that forever untill some other tech breakthrough comes along which won't be for decades most likley.
The new models will make massive advances and what seems great today will be looked at with disdain in a few short years.
[/uote] I think the folks who are driving around in 20+ year old cars are idiots.[/quote]
Well seeing my car is 24 years old, meet an idiot. Several people at least here will Vouch for me in that respect I'm sure.
[/quote] It's all about the apps.[/quote]
Ohh boy. You REALLY lost me on that one. I do things in my game with technology people tell me all the time can't be done even when I show it to them. As for apps......
On the technology, I drive a 2017 Merc GLA250 regularly. More tech than should be in a car IMHO.
I am very UNcomfortable in the thing, i am very comfortable in my 24 yo truck. Wife loves the merc which is great and she can drive it all she wants.
I haven't got a clue what it costs per mile in fuel, couldn't care any less if I tried. I know it's real good on fuel but servicing costs.... look out!
Truck Drinks like a fish, costs nothing to run and precious little to maintain. I change the oil 4 times a year, bout a $60 exercise as it takes a LOT of oil and 2 filters aand is a relaxing 15 Min job. I spend another relaxing 2-3 hours on it every year between Xmas and new year doing the other things like diff oils, changing fuel lines and other yearly things.
I'm not saying this makes it better than an EV, just saying that a lot of the EV hype is not relative to me because I enjoy doing it.
The Merc would have to be a better car in every way than the truck, but not for me and not for everyone else either. it simply does not suit my personal preferences any more than an EV would. YET. In 10 years time, I might love the things but I need a practical car. Not many people do i'll admit bet that is what -I- want.
I think technology has gone too far in cars. it's main purpose is to make the things dealer dependent so your choice of repairers is non existant. Only the stealership has the magic box to diagnose whats wrong and the only ones to have the parts to fix it.
What the monopoly and price gouging will be in a few years with teh tech built into EV's I can only imagine.
And to spell it out again to those who will spin doctor what I have said ( and anything I say) I'm not against EV's I'm getting to the point of being Violently against the constant Bullshit and insult to me intelligence the Green cult pushers never let up with.
I think there are going to be HUGE problems with electric transport, none of which I do not believe can be over come but I certainly believe will make any vehicle ownership MUCH more expensive for everyone and have serious social and environmental implications.
I don't believe for a second it will be the happy rainbows and unicon farts transition that they are endlessly prescribed to have.
There will be a LOT of hiccups along the way and I believe in the big picture they will be no better and the planet will be no better off for having them.
There are a whole lot of issues out there I don't care for and don't care about what people do, as long as they don't try to rub my face in it all the damn time and convert me to their religion using endless Bullshit, they can do what they want and I'll do the same.