When Will Electric Cars Become Mainstream?

[Kjelt]

A start is leasing EV's this is in our country already stimulated by the low 4% tax you have to add to your income instead of 21%.
The weird thing is that this stimulates the lease of the cool but expensive EVs the Tesla's and now Jaguars not really the mainstream EV's

[nctnico]

A start is leasing EV's this is in our country already stimulated by the low 4% tax you have to add to your income instead of 21%.
The weird thing is that this stimulates the lease of the cool but expensive EVs the Tesla's and now Jaguars not really the mainstream EV's

That may be but leasing a Tesla starts at around 1000 euro. For 3 times less you can lease a decent sized car (Ford Focus wagon) with an efficient engine. Also a Tesla Model S costs around 100k euro compared to around 26k euro for the Ford. 4% of 100K euro is 4000 euro and 21% of 30k is 5460. All in all the price difference is not that big. Especially if you take the different tax brackets into account the Ford Focus may even be cheaper for some people than the Tesla.

[gildasd]

A start is leasing EV's this is in our country already stimulated by the low 4% tax you have to add to your income instead of 21%.
The weird thing is that this stimulates the lease of the cool but expensive EVs the Tesla's and now Jaguars not really the mainstream EV's

That may be but leasing a Tesla starts at around 1000 euro. For 3 times less you can lease a decent sized car (Ford Focus wagon) with an efficient engine. Also a Tesla Model S costs around 100k euro compared to around 26k euro for the Ford. 4% of 100K euro is 4000 euro and 21% of 30k is 5460. All in all the price difference is not that big. Especially if you take the different tax brackets into account the Ford Focus may even be cheaper for some people than the Tesla.

There quite a few Tesla S around here. They seem to be replacing Mercedes S class, BMW 5 series or Porches Panameras... Not Ford Focuses!

[Fungus]

leasing a Tesla starts at around 1000 euro. For 3 times less you can lease a decent sized car (Ford Focus wagon) with an efficient engine.

Yes, but...

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/tesla_model_s

There quite a few Tesla S around here. They seem to be replacing Mercedes S class, BMW 5 series or Porches Panameras... Not Ford Focuses!

See above.

[coppice]

That may be but leasing a Tesla starts at around 1000 euro. For 3 times less you can lease a decent sized car (Ford Focus wagon) with an efficient engine. Also a Tesla Model S costs around 100k euro compared to around 26k euro for the Ford.

I'm sure Elon Musk sleeps better now that Ford is killing all its low end sedans and wagons in the US. I imagine they were high of his list of products competing with the Model S. Now he has to hope they kill the Focus in Europe and Asia, and the Model S will be a slam dunk.

[DougSpindler]

We still have the issue of where we are going to get the electricity to power the cars.  We know solar and batteries can't do it.  Next gen nuclear the only soution, but that's still in development.  One has to hand it to the EU/France as they are building next generation nuclear.  We know sun and wind aren't the answer.

Just do this math.  This guy can.

https://youtu.be/lSb5xas_xp0

[nctnico]

A start is leasing EV's this is in our country already stimulated by the low 4% tax you have to add to your income instead of 21%.
The weird thing is that this stimulates the lease of the cool but expensive EVs the Tesla's and now Jaguars not really the mainstream EV's

That may be but leasing a Tesla starts at around 1000 euro. For 3 times less you can lease a decent sized car (Ford Focus wagon) with an efficient engine. Also a Tesla Model S costs around 100k euro compared to around 26k euro for the Ford. 4% of 100K euro is 4000 euro and 21% of 30k is 5460. All in all the price difference is not that big. Especially if you take the different tax brackets into account the Ford Focus may even be cheaper for some people than the Tesla.

There quite a few Tesla S around here. They seem to be replacing Mercedes S class, BMW 5 series or Porches Panameras... Not Ford Focuses!

The point is that weak tax incentives don't make EVs affordable to the masses.

[f4eru]

Nope. But falling battery prices, diesel and gas exhaust particles in cities, and ramping up mass production is doing it right now.

[paulca]

More worrying it also points out that the anti-lock brakes may cause poor braking performance on snow and ice, but they cannot be disabled.

 

Who wrote that? The Stig?

I'm sure a normal human would be worse.

Have you ever tried it?  I have.  The anti-lock brakes in my Clio just prevented any braking at all.  No slowing down, just buzz, buzz, buzz.

As to whether I would have done better, I dunno.  In the end I had to rub the car wheels down the kerb to get the car slowed.

[gildasd]

More worrying it also points out that the anti-lock brakes may cause poor braking performance on snow and ice, but they cannot be disabled.

 

Who wrote that? The Stig?
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I'm sure a normal human would be worse.

Have you ever tried it?  I have.  The anti-lock brakes in my Clio just prevented any braking at all.  No slowing down, just buzz, buzz, buzz.

As to whether I would have done better, I dunno.  In the end I had to rub the car wheels down the kerb to get the car slowed.

Sounds like the front wheel sensors are very dead or the pads are worn down to the manufacturers label on the back.

[Fungus]

The Stig?

Have you ever tried it?  I have.  The anti-lock brakes in my Clio just prevented any braking at all.  No slowing down, just buzz, buzz, buzz.

If your Clio brakes well in normal conditions then maybe there really was zero grip today.

(imagine that, in 2018!)

[GeorgeOfTheJungle]

So while it's sunny and you are out at work all day you sell electricity back to the grid for less than 1/10th of what it's worth.  Then when you come home in the evening you buy electricity at full rate.

In Spain you sell back to the grid at 4 times the price, so when you come home in the evening, for every kWh you've put into the grid you can take 4kWh "for free". More than 4kWh in fact because the kWh at night is cheaper. That's what the last imbecile socialist president we had did, among many other things that ended all in disasters.

[DougSpindler]

Nope. But falling battery prices, diesel and gas exhaust particles in cities, and ramping up mass production is doing it right now.

Where is it doing it?  It's not happening in the US?  Nor in Australia as the guy in the video points out.


And where exactly are we going to get the electricity to power the electric vehicles.  It's certainaly not sun, or wind.

[DougSpindler]

So while it's sunny and you are out at work all day you sell electricity back to the grid for less than 1/10th of what it's worth.  Then when you come home in the evening you buy electricity at full rate.

In Spain you sell back to the grid at 4 times the price, so when you come home in the evening, for every kWh you've put into the grid you can take 4kWh "for free". That's what the last imbecile socialist president we had did, among many other things that ended all in disasters.

In the US if you are a PG&E customer they have a rate plan where for every kWhr you sell to the grid during the day you can buy 8 back in the evening, 7 of which are free.  And we are a democratic republic of capitalists. 

[boffin]

Why does everyone say "Tesla Tesla Tesla".  For every Tesla there's a dozen of Nissan Leafs, Chevy Bolt, VW eGolf and BMW i3s on the road here.

[DougSpindler]

Why does everyone say "Tesla Tesla Tesla".  For every Tesla there's a dozen of Nissan Leafs, Chevy Bolt, VW eGolf and BMW i3s on the road here.

Depends on where you live.  Where I live in California there are 20-30 Tesla’s and 2 or 3 i3 for every Leaf, Bolt, Volt, and eGolf on the road. 

 

[Neilm]

Why does everyone say "Tesla Tesla Tesla".  For every Tesla there's a dozen of Nissan Leafs, Chevy Bolt, VW eGolf and BMW i3s on the road here.

Chevy Bolt is not available in UK - they announced some time ago they were not going to sell it here. Now they have pulled out of Europe the last I heard they were only selling a few there.

[DougSpindler]

Why does everyone say "Tesla Tesla Tesla".  For every Tesla there's a dozen of Nissan Leafs, Chevy Bolt, VW eGolf and BMW i3s on the road here.

Chevy Bolt is not available in UK - they announced some time ago they were not going to sell it here. Now they have pulled out of Europe the last I heard they were only selling a few there.

With GM it’s all about the making as much money as possible.  Has GM ever done something that good for the planet?

[nctnico]

Why does everyone say "Tesla Tesla Tesla".  For every Tesla there's a dozen of Nissan Leafs, Chevy Bolt, VW eGolf and BMW i3s on the road here.

Because only Tesla makes decent EVs which can somewhat replace a car. The rest of the EVs are just glorified golf carts with limited range.

[NiHaoMike]

BMW i3 is available as a plug in hybrid. Albeit overpriced as BMWs tend to be.

[DougSpindler]

BMW i3 is available as a plug in hybrid. Albeit overpriced as BMWs tend to be.

Have you looked at the Bavarian Money Waister car to see a stupid design it?  When the battery is depleted it has a small gas engine so the car can limp along with the speed greatly reduced.

I think of all of the EV cars Chevy is the only one that got it right and makes sense.

[Kjelt]

Chevy Bolt is not available in UK - they announced some time ago they were not going to sell it here. Now they have pulled out of Europe the last I heard they were only selling a few there.

In mainland Europe it is sold as Opel Ampera-E , i believe Opel is called Vauxhall in the UK.
Its range is better than the Tesla btw.

[coppice]

Chevy Bolt is not available in UK - they announced some time ago they were not going to sell it here. Now they have pulled out of Europe the last I heard they were only selling a few there.

In mainland Europe it is sold as Opel Ampera-E , i believe Opel is called Vauxhall in the UK.
Its range is better than the Tesla btw.

Is the Ampera-E still available, now that GM Europe has been sold off? I thought it was dead.

[Neilm]

Chevy Bolt is not available in UK - they announced some time ago they were not going to sell it here. Now they have pulled out of Europe the last I heard they were only selling a few there.

In mainland Europe it is sold as Opel Ampera-E , i believe Opel is called Vauxhall in the UK.
Its range is better than the Tesla btw.

Is the Ampera-E still available, now that GM Europe has been sold off? I thought it was dead.

Last I heard, it was technically still available, but GM are restricting the supply so the dealers are trying to cross sell to ICE cars. I recall reading it was over 18 months in some places.

[mtdoc]

Because only Tesla makes decent EVs which can somewhat replace a car. The rest of the EVs are just glorified golf carts with limited range.