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Offline terranceTopic starter

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Re: Such a horrible design from Lenovo
« Reply #25 on: May 10, 2024, 08:26:37 pm »
I replaced it with IHLP2525CZER8R2M11

What I meant is, they should not design the operating point at 9A ripple current. It is unreasonable even if the best part can handle 13A. For buck converters, very high ripple current also puts lot of stress on input capacitors. The low inductance also drive the switching frequency so low, that it was buzzing.
 

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Re: Such a horrible design from Lenovo
« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2024, 08:28:36 pm »
it is not about if the inductor can handle that ripple current, it's about the unreasonably high ripple current.
 

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Re: Such a horrible design from Lenovo
« Reply #27 on: May 10, 2024, 08:32:26 pm »
I replaced it with IHLP2525CZER8R2M11

What I meant is, they should not design the operating point at 9A ripple current. It is unreasonable even if the best part can handle 13A. For buck converters, very high ripple current also puts lot of stress on input capacitors. The low inductance also drive the switching frequency so low, that it was buzzing.
And then you'll find out it cannot handle the full load.
 

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Re: Such a horrible design from Lenovo
« Reply #28 on: May 10, 2024, 08:39:56 pm »
so the real problem is user uses too much performance for too long time.
 

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Re: Such a horrible design from Lenovo
« Reply #29 on: May 10, 2024, 08:42:12 pm »
a compromise against heat dispassion performance for a hot cpu IS an awful design.

or it's the user's fault using too much performance.
 

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Re: Such a horrible design from Lenovo
« Reply #30 on: May 10, 2024, 09:16:34 pm »
a compromise against heat dispassion performance for a hot cpu IS an awful design.

or it's the user's fault using too much performance.
Any laptop is a compromise of size/thermals and (especially sustained) performance, no way around it. Increasing inductance 8x with no consideration of how much current that rail may pull is absolutely dumb. In the end you may find out that nearly everything connected to that voltage rail is dead if TPS51285B fails short due to inductor saturation/failure.
 

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Re: Such a horrible design from Lenovo
« Reply #31 on: May 10, 2024, 10:13:56 pm »
For anyone wondering: https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/vishay-dale/IHLP2525CZER8R2M11/1220684
8.2uH 4A

Feel free to post some waveforms.
Was the 600ns measured at full load or partial load? Is that a 24% duty cycle then?
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Re: Such a horrible design from Lenovo
« Reply #32 on: May 11, 2024, 12:33:57 pm »
If you increased the inductance that much I would be concerned about operation at max load. Do you know what the max load current will be?

Also I'm assuming you verified the stability margins..?
 

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Re: Such a horrible design from Lenovo
« Reply #33 on: May 12, 2024, 08:49:16 am »
perhaps the frequency increases at high loads ?

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Re: Such a horrible design from Lenovo
« Reply #34 on: May 13, 2024, 10:45:13 pm »
perhaps the frequency increases at high loads ?

Datasheet implies fixed frequency 400 or 500kHz.
Though pulse skipping at low loads.
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Re: Such a horrible design from Lenovo
« Reply #35 on: May 13, 2024, 10:49:06 pm »
mow much load does 6 usb ports with current limiters take? 30A?
 

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Re: Such a horrible design from Lenovo
« Reply #36 on: May 13, 2024, 10:58:30 pm »
Up to 1.5A per port if port supports rapid charging. Not to say some phones will try to pull such current from any port and this converter may power more things than just USB. Using a 5A inductor for powering 6 USB ports is nuts.
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