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What is the role of Q3 in this LS TTL schematic?
« on: August 12, 2024, 11:17:07 am »
Hi again.

Out of curiosity I wanted to check again the internals of Low Power Schottky TTL circuits and I stumbled upon this schematic:

I think I overlooked that but now I wonder: what is Q3 doing here? There is a resistor in standard TTL instead of this transistor, so what is its role, exactly?

Thanks in advance for any hint/info.
 

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Re: What is the role of Q3 in this LS TTL schematic?
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2024, 01:23:39 pm »
Good Morning Vinz, I am curious what xistor Q1 is, that has 2 emitters :scared:
 

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Re: What is the role of Q3 in this LS TTL schematic?
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2024, 02:43:10 pm »
Q3 is an active pulldown that turns Q6 off more quickly than a resistor pulldown.
« Last Edit: August 12, 2024, 05:24:58 pm by edavid »
 
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Re: What is the role of Q3 in this LS TTL schematic?
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2024, 02:58:09 pm »
Good Morning Vinz, I am curious what xistor Q1 is, that has 2 emitters :scared:
Bipolar transistors can have multiple emitters, it's often used for current mirrors if say one wants twice the current out for that coming in, a matched transistor with two emitters will often be used. You could think of the analogy as two transistors with C-C and B-B but the emitters are separate.
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Re: What is the role of Q3 in this LS TTL schematic?
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2024, 06:52:20 pm »
Good Morning Vinz, I am curious what xistor Q1 is, that has 2 emitters :scared:
It's equivalent to many transistors with their base and collector terminals joined. In some cases the transistors will be different sizes i.e.take up different amounts of room on the chip.
 

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Re: What is the role of Q3 in this LS TTL schematic?
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2024, 09:11:48 pm »
Note also the Schottky transistors (with an S shape diode symbol).
 

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Re: What is the role of Q3 in this LS TTL schematic?
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2024, 09:16:50 pm »
The multiple-emitter input transistors are why this type of circuit is called "TTL" (transistor-transistor logic), as opposed to "DTL" (diode-transistor logic).
Many BJT logic ICs are called TTL, when they are actually DTL with Schottky diodes.
A generic name for this style of IC is "current-sinking logic", where the current to be sunk is either diode current or emitter current, and the sink is a grounded-emitter NPN output (usually with active pull-up circuit).
The important feature of current-sinking logic is that the input-low input current is much higher than the input-high input current, as opposed to CMOS which is more balanced.
 
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Re: What is the role of Q3 in this LS TTL schematic?
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2024, 09:13:20 am »
Good Morning Vinz, I am curious what xistor Q1 is, that has 2 emitters :scared:
Sorry for being late, indeed that's a classic configuration encountered in transistor gate logic, as explained earlier.

Q3 is an active pulldown that turns Q6 off more quickly than a resistor pulldown.
That is interesting  :-+
I don't remember ever seeing such a configuration. I only needed that answer to finally open the gates to literature on this topic (e.g. https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/676573), so thanks a bunch for the tip!

EDIT: If I were to give that setup a name I'd go for "active turn-off" as the symmetric version for a PNP transistor would be an active pullup instead (I guess).
« Last Edit: August 13, 2024, 10:39:44 am by VinzC »
 


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