Together United For A New Internet!

[Justin567]

Edit: Why is this thread under projects anyways?

Because the kid is under the mistaken impression that by posting in a few forums he can gather the insane funding and technical knowledge required to start his own internet.

Why would this take an insane amount of money? I am not planning on running new wire.

[Alex30]

Edit: Why is this thread under projects anyways?

Because the kid is under the mistaken impression that by posting in a few forums he can gather the insane funding and technical knowledge required to start his own internet.

Why would this take an insane amount of money? I am not planning on running new wire.

Do you know what an internet backbone looks like? Picture a couple of levels of an office building, filled to the ceiling with supercomputers.

[Monkeh]

Edit: Why is this thread under projects anyways?

Because the kid is under the mistaken impression that by posting in a few forums he can gather the insane funding and technical knowledge required to start his own internet.

Why would this take an insane amount of money? I am not planning on running new wire.

Then how is it going to be a new internet which isn't under the control of the very companies you're complaining about?

Either you have your own infrastructure and your own rules, or you're still paying someone else for the privilege of being told how fast you can go.

[miguelvp]

If you get a land line and use the fastest modem you'll still pay around $30/month if you are lucky with no long distance and throttled back to 56Kbps. That is progress!

Meh.

[suicidaleggroll]

Edit: Why is this thread under projects anyways?

Because the kid is under the mistaken impression that by posting in a few forums he can gather the insane funding and technical knowledge required to start his own internet.

Why would this take an insane amount of money? I am not planning on running new wire.

The article linked in your original post is not complaining about servers or web pages causing problems, it's complaining about the companies that control the pipe that connects those servers to each other.  Setting up a few servers that host a few html pages doesn't change anything if they still use the same monopoly-controlled bandwidth-throttled pipe to send that information to somebody on the other side of the country/world.

[jlmoon]

I don't complain about speed, I can download 1GB in 1 minute 

I don't think I could stand going back to that kind of slow throughput. 

Might have to put Aunt Bee back on the switchboard too!  (for those who have no clue who Aunt Bee is, she's the switch board lady on the Andy Griffith Show - Mayberry Sitcom)

[Justin567]

Edit: Why is this thread under projects anyways?

Because the kid is under the mistaken impression that by posting in a few forums he can gather the insane funding and technical knowledge required to start his own internet.

Why would this take an insane amount of money? I am not planning on running new wire.

The article linked in your original post is not complaining about servers or web pages causing problems, it's complaining about the companies that control the pipe that connects those servers to each other.  Setting up a few servers that host a few html pages doesn't change anything if they still use the same monopoly-controlled bandwidth-throttled pipe to send that information to somebody on the other side of the country/world.

But we would use the phone service. What will they do, make out phone calls sound bad?

[Monkeh]

But we would use the phone service. What will they do, make out phone calls sound bad?

Modems don't work very well through voice codecs. So yes, that is literally what they'd do.

Yes, phone backbones are going digital. They run on the internet.

Do you begin to see the problem?

[suicidaleggroll]

But we would use the phone service. What will they do, make out phone calls sound bad?

Who are you planning to call?  An ISP?  Then you're back to square one.

Even for point-to-point connections, the same cable companies control the phone lines too.

[Monkeh]

Who are you planning to call?  An ISP?  Then you're back to square one.

Why, the datacentre he can throw together with some spare wire and a couple servers which were abandoned as out of date last decade, obviously..

[Mechatrommer]

Edit: Why is this thread under projects anyways?

Because the kid is under the mistaken impression that by posting in a few forums he can gather the insane funding and technical knowledge required to start his own internet.

your post is just as useful as my earlier (deleted) post even if he get the funding no matter how rich mr america is, this is pure lunacy. but i can sense there are hidden supporter(s) lie in this (very technical) forum/thread.

[SirNick]

Do you know what an internet backbone looks like? Picture a couple of levels of an office building, filled to the ceiling with supercomputers.

Wait... what?    Do YOU know what an internet backbone looks like?  That's not what the one where I work looks like.  Lots of teal plastic, blinky lights, blue-lit leaf logos, and patch panels.  Not so much computers.  (Just a few, really.)

[jlmoon]

Do you know what an internet backbone looks like? Picture a couple of levels of an office building, filled to the ceiling with supercomputers.

Wait... what?    Do YOU know what an internet backbone looks like?  That's not what the one where I work looks like.  Lots of teal plastic, blinky lights, blue-lit leaf logos, and patch panels.  Not so much computers.  (Just a few, really.)

Gee... I thought a backbone was where all the OC48's & OC192 Mux's and assorted hardware hungout!

[SirNick]

Yup.  That's pretty much the case.  Impressive by the sheer scale, but it's pretty much just where channels of traffic come in or jump off.  Not much place for computation.  Mostly the domain of ASICs.  (Despite all the hub-bub about software defined networking and the like.)

[miguelvp]

No thickwire anymore those were the days (10Base5), now the backbone is all fiber optics

http://dimbox.wordpress.com/2014/06/09/the-real-geography-of-the-internet-and-how-its-done/


And a picture of a underground fiber trunk that some construction crew accidentally cut
http://geeksontour.blogspot.com/2006/08/cut-cable-dead-website.html


although to me they look like twisted pair copper

[mathsquid]

Might have to put Aunt Bee back on the switchboard too!  (for those who have no clue who Aunt Bee is, she's the switch board lady on the Andy Griffith Show - Mayberry Sitcom)

No.  Aunt Bee was Andy's aunt.  The telephone operator (who was never seen) was named Sarah.

[NiHaoMike]

What about a scalable wireless P2P mesh network? Not really a replacement for the Internet but rather an addition that makes the most sense in densely populated areas. The mesh network itself can use existing technologies like 802.11 as well as more unusual technologies like zapping lasers between neighboring buildings. Also make good use of storage and computing power which both have evolved orders of magnitude faster than typical Internet services.

[SirNick]

although to me they look like twisted pair copper

Hm, I'm pretty sure what we're seeing here is the formative stage of the stomach ulcer in the foreman whose job just went way over budget.

[dfmischler]

How do you think the Internet got to where it is now?  Companies invested in communications facilities (e.g. fiber, routers, exchanges with other ISPs, etc).  And now they expect to make money operating them.  There is no real reason why more companies cannot enter the mix and compete for business as carriers.  But it will take big investments, and the shareholders will want to get paid.  And the cost of entry is way higher now than it was in the early 1990s, when the first commercial ISPs were operating on leased 56K and T1 lines (remember, this was more-or-less pre-WWW so it was mostly FTP, SMTP, and NNTP).

If you are serious, then you need to write an excellent business plan explaining how you will justify the investment.  Then find some investors and get to work.  This will not be a hobby but will probably take over your life for some years if you do it well.

Start by finding out what went wrong with MFS.

[Alex30]

Do you know what an internet backbone looks like? Picture a couple of levels of an office building, filled to the ceiling with supercomputers.

Wait... what?    Do YOU know what an internet backbone looks like?  That's not what the one where I work looks like.  Lots of teal plastic, blinky lights, blue-lit leaf logos, and patch panels.  Not so much computers.  (Just a few, really.)

Haha, I guess not. I have just seen photos. Regardless, not something that one could replicate with a couple of server racks lol

[jucole]

it's funny that cable ad revenue is down year on year and internet ad revenue is growing massive year on year.

2013 Internet Ad Revenues Soar To $42.8 Billion, Hitting Landmark High & Surpassing Broadcast Television For The First Time—Marks a 17% Rise Over Record-Setting Revenues in 2012

Q4 2013 Numbers Climb to $12.1 Billion, A 17% Surge in Revenues Over Same Time in 2012

The whole flow of ad revenue is changing and I suspect the losers are the ones pushing for a 2 tier system so they can fleece the money off the big winners.