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Old school Tek porn
« on: July 19, 2012, 09:30:28 am »
Had a couple of days off work with a cold and decided to use the time to get my three big Tek's up and running. From left to right they are model 575 transistor curve tracer, model 545B dual timebase oscilloscope and model 551 dual beam oscilloscope with seperate power supply unit.

The 575 and 545B had a few minor faults that were easilly rectified. I performed a full calibration on each and they are now entirely fault free and calibrated to factory specification. I've fixed a CRT circuit issue with the 551 (HV rectifier tube with broken heater wire, replaced with solid sate), but now have a DC balance fault to track down in one of the distributed vertical amplifiers (which is causing the beam for this channel to remain deflected off screen).

I was expecting to have to compile a shopping list of HV electrolytic capacitors to buy, but amazingly all of the original units seem to be perfectly OK. The calibration section of the service manuals for these machines actually specifies the p-p ripple amplitude for the electronically regulated rail voltages, and they all measure within specification.
 
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Re: Old school Tek porn
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2012, 01:20:27 pm »
You've kept these in damn nice condition. A place I'm working at has a lot of test equipment from that era, they were
(may still maybe)  going to set up a reference / test lab one day. Are you collecting vintage test gear? We're in
Bayswater Melbourne, what city you in? Maybe we can do some deals :-)
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Re: Old school Tek porn
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2012, 01:26:11 pm »
Nice curves
 

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Re: Old school Tek porn
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2012, 07:51:57 pm »
+100!!

Absolutely beautiful!
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Re: Old school Tek porn
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2012, 08:02:09 pm »
Wow, just wow. Those are really in pristine condition.

Does the 551 have P11 phosphor and is that a Tek 310 in the corner?
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Re: Old school Tek porn
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2012, 09:27:17 pm »
There's a huge amounts of tubes inside, how many of them ?
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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2012, 10:30:23 pm »
Oldies p0rn... pervert  :P
 

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Re: Old school Tek porn
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2012, 01:57:34 am »
I have a 575 in great shape, I was hoping some day to use it on vacuum tubes...
Also have a 535a and a Hickok clone of a tek 545. The hickok is about to be parted out.
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Re: Old school Tek porn
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2012, 02:25:25 am »
Hi;
  Nice - they look very clean.

I used to have a 535.
I believe it had some matched Tektronix vacuum tubes in it.
That is, they were made or specially selected by Tek.
They had the Tek logo on them.

Now here (Seattle), you cannot find ANY vacuum tubes.
Stores used to have testers in them - all gone.

You can get them for Marshall Amps from music stores, but HF matched sets?
Hamfests have some tubes, but that is about it.

Not to mention the lights dimming when you power that sucker up.
Plus it took maybe half an hour to settle down.

Still cool to look at though.

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Re: Old school Tek porn
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2012, 08:24:11 am »
You've kept these in damn nice condition. A place I'm working at has a lot of test equipment from that era, they were
(may still maybe)  going to set up a reference / test lab one day. Are you collecting vintage test gear? We're in
Bayswater Melbourne, what city you in? Maybe we can do some deals :-)

Hey, I'm in Adelaide, but always interested in old Tek stuff and spare parts. If there is anything interesting, just send me a photo or two.
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Re: Old school Tek porn
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2012, 08:27:07 am »
The little scope on the shelf is a 422. Dunno what the 551 phosphor is, I'd have to look it up. The 551 has a lot of tubes. Dunno how many, have not counted.
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Re: Old school Tek porn
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2012, 02:59:53 pm »
Very nice! and great photos.  Where were you able to get replacement tubes?  or gasp, are they original?
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Re: Old school Tek porn
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2012, 03:03:13 pm »
Hey, I'm in Adelaide, but always interested in old Tek stuff and spare parts. If there is anything interesting, just send me a photo or two.
We're in the process of moving 2 factories full of old stuff to 2 new factories (100M away), then I'm going through ALL the
boxes to sort out what lives and what dies :-)  I'll take photos then.
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Re: Old school Tek porn
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2012, 03:17:23 pm »
Would love to find a curve tracer........
 

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Re: Old school Tek porn
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2012, 11:07:57 am »
Very nice! and great photos.  Where were you able to get replacement tubes?  or gasp, are they original?


I'm pretty sure all of the tubes are original. I haven't found any evidence of previous tampering or servicing in any of the three machines either. Each of these machines still has the original (and untouched) spool of silver-containing solder inside, that Tek provided for servicing purposes. I've got quite a few spare tubes, but they are still not hard to find NOS if you need them. In fact a number are still in current production and can be bought new from various on line audio parts vendors (eg 6DJ8, 12AT7, 12AU7). But anyway, there isn't much reason why most if  not all of the current tubes shouldn't last my life time.



 
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Re: Old school Tek porn
« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2012, 07:06:18 pm »
Nice! I still use my 545B almost every day. IMO, it's the pinnacle of analog scope design at that bandwidth. Also use my 575 opt122 curve tracer quite often.
 

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Re: Old school Tek porn
« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2012, 08:50:49 am »
Beautiful kit!
 

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Re: Old school Tek porn
« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2012, 06:48:04 am »
Unfortunately I'm a bit too preoccupied with other things to power mine up almost everyday, but I’ve got these repaired, calibrated and set up on my bench and endeavour to use them as often as practical. Despite the limited performance (a bit more than -3dB at 30MHz) they’re perfectly adequate for the shortwave and HF radio stuff I mostly play with. The clarity of modulated carrier / envelope waveforms on the large, bright CRT is second to none, particularly for the 545B.
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Re: Old school Tek porn
« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2013, 10:28:53 am »
Here is another little Tek toy, that I picked up recently on Ebay - a Type 280 Trigger Countdown unit. Probably not quite as exciting as one of the glowing-tube-packed mainframe oscilloscopes, but cute nonetheless.

The name of the unit is actually a little misleading. It doesn't do anything as sophisticated as counting. What it basically is, is a nominally free-running pulse generator that can be synchronized, if desired, with a much higher frequency signal source. The operating frequency range is from 15MHz to 50MHz, adjustable with a pair of pots on the front panel ("coarse" frequency and "fine"). The external synchronization signal can be up to 5GHz!

The intended function of the unit is to provide timebase triggering pulses when using a plug-in GHz-bandwidth vertical-channel sampling amplifier in a low frequency mainframe. GHz frequency signals are beyond the capabilities of the triggering circuits of these oscilloscopes. The idea is you feed the GHz-frequency signal under examination into both the vertical-channel sampling amplifier and the Type 280 "sync" input, via a t-piece adapter. The synchronized, low frequency pulse train from the 280 is fed to the external triggering input of the oscilloscope.

The Type 280 will reliably sync so long as the free running frequency is patiently adjusted to be close to an exact sub multiple of the GHz signal under examination. However it's handy just as a variable high frequency pulse generator on its own.

The case disassembles into two halves. One half contains the power supply while the other half contains the simple oscillator circuit. Everything is extensively shielded, including the mains power input. The variable oscillator is a negative resistance type based on tunnel diode D12.

The unit didn't work when I first applied power, but the problem was quickly tracked down to an issue I have not yet encountered in any other piece of Tektronix gear of this era - completely buggered electrolytic capacitors. Both halves of the power supplies main filter cap, C612 were pretty much completely dried out. The actual waveform on each end of R612 was a full-wave rectified sine without any smoothing whatsoever! Capacitor C613 was also faulty, but leaky instead, pulling the base of Q614 down to only 2V.

To temporarily get the unit running I just soldered a new 470uF in parallel with C612A and disconnected one end of C613 from circuit. Other than those issues, everything seems to be quite fine.

   


       
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« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2013, 04:26:49 pm »
Only unobtanium part there is that diode on the input circuit.
 

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« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2013, 06:21:03 pm »
GK, thanks for the pictures and the explanation. I absolutely love chassis mounted systems like these (that is why I have been in love with vacuum tube equipment since I started electronics in the 80's).
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« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2013, 11:36:14 am »
You're welcome. Here are some more pics. With a bit of tag strip I managed a neat enough fix for the faulty capacitor replacement. Interesting wire mesh RF shielding on the input/output sockets. The 2nd and 3rd pictures show the free-running trigger pulse outputs while the 4th picture shows the unit successfully synced to a ~100MHz input signal, the unit oscillating at 1/6 the frequency.
 
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Re: Old school Tek porn
« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2013, 01:43:10 pm »
Just finished a preliminary clean up and test/fault find on another Tek toy, recently acquired - a "Type 1121 Amplifier". It's basically just a fixed gain (x100), general purpose ac-coupled preamplifier with a bandwidth of 5Hz to 17MHz. The input impedance is 1M to suit standard CRO probes and the signal is fed through a turret attenuator before being amplified by 100. With the input shorted to ground and the attenuator set to the straight through (x1 position) the output noise is approximately 4mV rms, which works out to an input-referred noise of less than 10nV square-root-Hz, which isn't too bad.   

It didn't work at first due to some dodgy wires. The components for the preamplifier are all mounted on the upper shelf (tubes upside down), which is rubber shock mounted to minimize microphony. The bottom shelf contains the power supply components and the electronic voltage regulators. There are four regulated rail voltages provided for the preamplifier, of -150V, 150V, 130V and 225V.

The rail voltages are brought up to a ceramic terminal strip mounted directly above the front panel mounted turret input attenuator.  Short lengths of looped hookup wire link this terminal strip to the shock-mounted preamplifier chassis. All but one of these wires had fatigued and snapped due to movement of the preamplifier chassis. One flying wire to the front panel-mounted potentiometer for calibrating the gain had also snapped due to fatigue, as had an earth braid from the preamplifier chassis to the turret attenuator body. Clearly not a very robust design, wiring wise! But anyway, once all of those wires were reconnected to where they were supposed to go, the unit seemed to work quite fine.

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Re: Old school Tek porn
« Reply #23 on: April 09, 2013, 03:45:38 pm »
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« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2013, 09:19:56 am »
Picked up another toy today. Spent the late afternoon cleaning it up and started fault finding. It's a "Tektronix 502 Dual Beam Oscilloscope", originally introduced in 1958. Its one of Tek's low-end models from the time and doesn't accept plug-in vertical amplifier(s). It's a little smaller than the plug-in 500 series mainframes, but similarly still has a 5" diameter CRT. 

The (identical) vertical amplifiers have differential inputs and 200uV per division/cm sensitivity, though bandwidth is dependent on the sensitivity setting and is quite low at 200uV - 100kHz.

The thing initial reeked or cigarette smoke and the build up of (conductive) cigarette tar in some unusual places has been causing problems. I initially could not get anything up on the CRT. The first thing to sort out was the low voltage regulated supplies. There are three LV regulated rails; -150V, 100V and 350V. The -150V rail is adjustable and is the reference to which the other rails are regulated. As a consequence if the -150V rail is out of order, so are all of the others. The -150 rail was well out of whack, with about 80% mains ripple and an average output of ~-175V. The electrolytic filter capacitors were dried out. I made a temporary fix by soldering a new electrolytic capacitor across the tag terminals of the chassis mounted filter capacitor for the -150V regulator and the -150V rail then came up good. The other rails came up within specification, voltage wise, but still with excessive ripple, though still passable for preliminary testing. The 3 regulated rails are derived from their own transformer secondary windings and filter capacitors.

The next step was to get something up on the CRT, which at that point was still blank. I started by checking the static deflection plate voltages to rule out the beams being deflected off screen by either a pair of defective vertical amplifiers or a defective horizontal amplifier. They all came up fine and they sit at approx 230V nominal/mean. I then adjusted the vertical and horizontal position controls for 0V between each respective pair of deflection plates (thus ensuring that the beams are centered on screen). However the CRT was still blank. I then checked out the -2900V regulated rail for the CRT cathodes and that came up OK, but the fault was eventually tracked down the the grid supply. The 2M intensity potentiometer measured ~300 ohms and as a consequence grid bias to the CRT remained in a state of beam cut-off. Upon opening the pot I found it to be full of stinky yellow cigarette tar, but otherwise look quite OK. Giving it a good clean out with electrical cleaning solvent restored it to 2M and I then got some nice and bright traces on the CRT, though the focus was badly out and the front panel controls had no effect. Turned out to be the same issue - the two 5M focus pots initially measured ~400k each but came good after a clean out.

The scope now appears fully functional, with the exception of a timebase triggering fault, which can be seen on the odd display generated when triggered on a 1kHz sine, as shown in one of the attached photos. The fault appears to be induced by excessive mains ripple on either or both the 100V and the 350V regulated supply rails, which are still operating with their original dodgy electrolytic filter capacitors. Before progressing any further with the fault finding / calibration / restoration I will have to replace all of the electrolytic capacitors in the power supply.

The scope has some weird packaged plug-in transistors. There is a total of 3 transistors in the scope and one selenium rectifier, forming a fully solid-state regulated PSU of 6.3V to supply the heaters of the input stage tubes of the vertical amplifiers only. This measure was taken due to the high sensitivity of the vertical amplifiers, to prevent any significant mains hum being induced into the desired signal via heater to cathode coupling.

A pretty straightforward resurrection, this one. The scope is also in great shape - the front panel is almost flawless.
         

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