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Re: OCXO frequency dividers and PLL multipliers
« Reply #75 on: September 04, 2020, 11:11:48 am »
Hi John

great job! I think I have ordered the same enclosure you used for the GPSDO from China for my project!

And what a beautiful scope!  :-DD Are you happy with your upgrade?

As mentioned before I found a tear down of an CTS OCXO

http://syncchannel.blogspot.com/2016/03/schematic-of-cts-1960017-10mhz-ocxo.html

The schematics is interesting. As expected there is a varactor diode for f-trimming. But Vref comes "only" from
an resistor and a Zener diode.

Unfortunately I found out that my awaited Trimbles seem to have no Vref out. I have to check it when they wil have found there way to me.

Question regarding the Rubidium standard:
As I learned the rubidium frequency is 6.834.682.610,904324 Hz (sorry folks, outside the imperial world we use "," instead of "." and vice versa)
So there must be a FLL involved to get 10 MHz. Have you looked on phase noise? I this a problem?
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Re: OCXO frequency dividers and PLL multipliers
« Reply #76 on: September 04, 2020, 09:27:34 pm »
Hi John

great job! I think I have ordered the same enclosure you used for the GPSDO from China for my project!

And what a beautiful scope!  :-DD Are you happy with your upgrade?

As mentioned before I found a tear down of an CTS OCXO

http://syncchannel.blogspot.com/2016/03/schematic-of-cts-1960017-10mhz-ocxo.html

The schematics is interesting. As expected there is a varactor diode for f-trimming. But Vref comes "only" from
an resistor and a Zener diode.

Unfortunately I found out that my awaited Trimbles seem to have no Vref out. I have to check it when they wil have found there way to me.

Question regarding the Rubidium standard:
As I learned the rubidium frequency is 6.834.682.610,904324 Hz (sorry folks, outside the imperial world we use "," instead of "." and vice versa)
So there must be a FLL involved to get 10 MHz. Have you looked on phase noise? I this a problem?

 If it is the same enclosure, it will measure 100 by 100 by 50 mm where the split halves interlock (need to be slid apart meaning the "Lid" can't just be lifted up after undoing the four topmost screws). That's not a problem for the MK II version since, unlike the MK I where I'd soldered the front panel LEDs' flyleads directly to the PCB, I've used a plug ended flylead to connect them to the main board. I only need to undo (just) four screws to release the rear panel, allowing me to slide the PCB out and unplug the front panel LEDs.

 I chose those particular enclosures out of a range of similarly sized ones mainly on account the end plates were a nice clean rectangular shape rather than be cursed with a half a millimeter or so trimmed off each of the short (or even all four) sides to within a few millimetres of each corner. It seems to me very likely that was also an influencing factor in your own case. :)

 The 'scope is nice enough but it is really an 'overkill' solution for the testing and monitoring I'm currently doing. If I had enough room on my bench to keep the 1202 alongside, I'd be using that instead since it consumes some 30 watts less power (22W versus the 52 or 54 watts of the 2104X+ (now hacked to the 2504X+ specification).

 It's a little disappointing that instead of just a 50% increase, I'm seeing a 150% increase over the 1202's energy consumption with the added insult to this 'injury' of energy consumption in the form of a threefold increased boot up time (46 seconds versus the 16 seconds for the 1202).

 The extended boot up time might be an inescapable consequence of a larger and more precisely initialised calibrated feature set that no amount of cpu 'grunt' could speed up but the energy consumption increase came as a bit of a shock.

 I could see the energy requirements of 2GSa/s DACs being double that of the 1GSa/s DACs used in the 1202, assuming the same generation of silicon technology being used but I'd have thought the energy budget for the supporting processes would have remained pretty much the same, hence my expectation of a 50% increase in overall energy consumption as opposed to the surprisingly high 150% increase I actually observe.

 At the end of the day, the increased energy cost for the improved performance and features is a relatively small price to pay in the larger scheme of things so there's little to be gained by worrying unduly about it. I only mention it to warn others of these hidden costs (protracted boot times and a 2.5 increased energy consumption) and to make it clear that Siglent should do better unless they want to advertise their next but one generation 'scope as being higher output space heaters than those old dual beam Tektronix 'scopes of the fifties and sixties if this increase of energy consumption keeps following this trend. >:D Other than that 'minor' criticism, it's a very nice DSO indeed. :)

 I had a look at that blog article on the  CTS OCXO. I wasn't at all impressed with the design of the thing. A resistor fed zenner for a 4.1v reference??? Really!?!?  :wtf: and, to make things worse, a 150 ohm resistor in series with its output -150mV drop for a 1mA load (and here was I thinking the 1mV drop with a 1mA load on the CQE OCXO's 5.127v Vref pin was a bit much but, "what the Hey, it's a fixed load in addition to the other internal fixed loads that will only introduce a tiny fixed offset that can readily be perfectly compensated for in my source of fixed dc offsets for my EFC monitoring circuit.").

 I'm very surprised that those trimbles lack a Vref pin. I'd have thought that any self respecting OCXO manufacturer would not be so stupid as to give up the opportunity to make their internal temperature stabilised oscillator and thermal controller Vcc rail available for external use via the Vref pin as a "value add" product feature to help boost their sales figures, especially when the cost of the Vref pin itself outweighs the cost of the internal wire link to an existing temperature stabilised Vcc rail. When I see such monumental stupidity as an unused Vref pin (or even none at all), my immediate thought is, "Yeah, they must have shit for brains!".

 When a Vref pin voltage is available, that usually (the CTI OCXO being an obvious exception) gives you immediate access to a reference voltage that's only second to a very expensive lab standard voltage reference. The absence of such a pin where the datasheet specifies for example, a maximum 1mA current loading, would be best interpreted as a manufacturing statement which says, "Our internal voltage reference is just too shite for use elsewhere so we're not going to let you see just how shite it really is!". IOW, steer clear of any OCXOs that don't provide a Vref pin voltage with a specified safe maximum current loading.

 The caesium atomic clock redefined the second as being precisely 9,192,631,770 periods of the hyperfine transition frequency of a caesium atom in the ground state at absolute zero to the nearest whole period but all atomic standards based on other alkali metals such as the rubidium atom don't neatly fit an exact number of oscillation periods into an atomic second. The actual frequency being 6.834 682 610 904 29 GHz or 6,834,682,610.90429 Hz to five decimal places of accuracy. I've just realised (dang the European habit of using the comma and fullstop arse about face as numeric separators!) that you've used a six decimal accuracy. You must have tracked down a more recent figure than mine.

 If the rubidium atomic clock had come first, the definition of the second would no doubt have been defined as "6,834,682,611 periods of the hyperfine transition frequency of a Rubidium atom in the ground state at absolute zero to the nearest whole period" instead, leaving the caesium definition with five trailing decimal places as a secondary standard.

 Since the second is now defined, arbitrarily as being precisely 9,192,631,770 periods of the hyperfine transition frequency of a caesium atom in the ground state, all other atomic based oscillator references are, by definition, secondary standards. In the case of the compact rubidium oscillators or frequency standards (RFS), this allowed the freedom to use a FLL and a rubidium gas that didn't require a cryostat to hold it at absolute zero.

 It's not just the fact that an RFS can be fine tuned and therefore needs to be calibrated against a primary standard or frequency reference, such as a GPS timing source, that's directly traceable to the primary standard, that makes it a secondary standard so much as the fact that being a secondary standard it is freed from the need of a cryostat, allowing the atomic physics package and its supporting electronics all to be housed in a physical package smaller than a half height optical disc drive which can be used to provide a frequency reference with at least an order of magnitude better accuracy than the best double ovened XOs can achieve with the added bonus of not suffering the random frequency shifts that can afflict even the best double ovened XOs which makes it a very attractive alternative frequency standard where weight and bulk are major considerations (they work even better in the vacuum of space which completely eliminates the issue of barometric sensitivity that plagues ground based RFSs)

 The Datom and Efratom LPRO-101 bends the 6.834GHz excitation frequency ever so slightly to allow a 20.0000000MHz VCXO to generate a 60MHz lamp excitation RF field and a precise 6.834GHz. The 20MHz VCXO is also divided down to 10MHz and filtered to remove the odd harmonics to produce the 10MHz sine wave output.

 The FE-5680 uses DDS technology to generate its 10MHz from a less inconvenient choice of exciter reference frequency which unfortunately introduces a high level of spurs and jitter noise, requiring the use of a separate 10MHz VCXO to clean the output up for use at frequencies of 1GHz and beyond. The 10MHz sine output from an LPRO-101 can be used directly to drive transverters going all the way up to 24GHz. Therefore, since I don't have any means to measure jitter and phase noise, I take it on faith that jitter and phase noise won't be an issue for any of my envisioned future projects. :)

https://febo.com/pages/oscillators/rubes/

JBG

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Re: OCXO frequency dividers and PLL multipliers
« Reply #77 on: September 08, 2020, 11:34:05 am »
Hi folks,

on Friday the awaited parcel from China arrived (my TRIMBLE 34310-T). I never before got such a good protected delivery for electronic parts!
I awaited that grey thin mail bag that they usual use but it came a hard box with a lot of foam plates inside, and additional
protective covering, inside another bag with the both OCXOs. Well done! Bought at KEEPINGTOUCH.COM - never heard about before.

And good news! The OCXOs do very well, I kept them running for 4 days now. And surprise, both with Vref out!
I learned that this are Trimble OEM products for the telecom industries, thatswhy you find no data sheets. But a HAM from
Netherlands had done a lot of investigations.
http://amateurtele.com/index.php?artikel=208

First measurements:
Vcc=12 V, output sine 5 Vpp, impedance 280 ohms.
Vref on both 5.943 V
Cold startup current 700 mA
warm current 200 mA

Vco for 10 MHz: OXCO 1 = 3.51 V; OCXO 2 = 8.45 V (hmm big difference)

delta V/delta f : 1V = 1.4 Hz (#1) 1.1 Hz (#2)

The frequency is rock solid against my other OXCO. Now I can start the improvement of the HP 53131A.
After looking around I found out that the solution of Hexley fits best to my needs.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/ocxo-for-hp-53131a-a-new-design/

Thanks to him for his support with this and some other things!

Volkmar

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Re: OCXO frequency dividers and PLL multipliers
« Reply #78 on: September 15, 2020, 08:42:19 pm »
Hi Bad_Driver,

I finely got my Leo Bodnar  the first one The British post office (Royal Fail) lost the
bloody thing at the airport  |O .
So they resent it DHL . I got done for import tax  :-DD but after a 6 weeks run a around
it got here .  :phew:
So it came pre set both channels are at 10Mhz  so I am using 1 channel for my frequency
counter 10Mhz Reference in . and the other for calibrating  .
This is a really good toy . It locks in about 15 seconds . I set my other ocxo up it was just
10.000,000,147 Mhz  Now its 10.000,000,002 Mhz  I just can't get it the last digit as the slightest touch takes down to much but its locked solid at that for about 3 hrs.
So I wont get that job at NASA  :-DD .
really happy with it . well worth the extra bucks and the pulse out has a really nice rise &
fall time of 2.5ns . I cant fault it . . Just love stuff that works out the Box first time . :-+
The UNI-T 962 never turned up so I contacted them and they said it had been returned
They put the wrong post code on  |O  Copy & Paste  :palm:. so I am not a happy camper . they said they would resend it . I gave them the details in large print .
maybe I will get to see it before the end of the world  :-//

 

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Re: OCXO frequency dividers and PLL multipliers
« Reply #79 on: September 23, 2020, 03:13:43 pm »
Hi Labrat, hi John,

sorry but as mentioned some times before I'm busy with the real life  :=\

As I told you I own a Bodnar pulser I bought to have a source for very sharp square waves (40ps rise time). I ordered it direct in UK and it show up after 2 weeks!
A great piece of engineering art!

And I also took the GPSDO into account. But if you have opened it you will find a cheap UBLOX m6 GPS receiver. As I mentioned above I bought a well looking GPSDO
from a german HAM but unfortunately it suffers from a very LF jitter around 1 Hz which you can be only seen on the scope when compared to an OCXO.
After some investigations I think this comes from a modulation of the V_control that is generated by the PWM signal from an Atmega as far as I can see.

Have you seen any of this low f-jitter?

These days you can get a original TRIMBLE Thunderbolt for around 160 € from China. I think I will spend this money and sell the other one on Ebay again.

Unfortunately this month a HP 34401A 6.5 digit DMM in mint condition and with calibration from the last year (and not from the last Millennium) crossed my way, I couldn't resist ...
So my budget for the hobby is exhausted.

I spend some efforts nowadays to get my equipment running with PC-software control to make some long term measurements.
But this is more demanding than expected. The old boxes need a RS232 connection (not so good, but working anyway) or better an GPIP-bus connection (more money for cables and interfaces needed). The old HP Benchvue software is not available for free anymore. Any suggestions?
The new boxes from Siglent use USB or Ethernet. Best would be Labview but this is a very complex piece of software!

As explained in the other board I will rebuild the FY69 box into its state of origin. I never uesed it after improving it (and having the SDG2042/2122). I have better use for the PSU I used for it (for the Trimble GPSDO may be).

I keep you informed  :-+

Stay in good health!

B.D.
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Re: OCXO frequency dividers and PLL multipliers
« Reply #80 on: September 23, 2020, 10:41:43 pm »
Hi Bad_driver
Glade to hear you are still OK.
As you know I got the 2 channel GPSDO and its outputs are rock solid . Have no complaints .
 And No I did not open it . One half of me said go on have peek . and then I remembered the old
saying if it aint Brock leave alone . So it will stay a surprise  not to know.

I have been playing with my new toy the UTG962 other than the Rise & Fall time is slow @ 15ns
I am really happy with it and the 10Mhz square is not bad I can live with it .
The Jitter wobble on the FY made my Brain vibrate .
 basically it a very nicely built and all the waves are steadier .
I was wondering if it has a secret service mode for calibration, would be great just to nudge  it a little on the small frequency error  .
If it got one I will seek it out .
Yes::   Labview  is a very complex piece of software!   mind blowing complex
 
 all the best to all you guys
keep well . keep calm . we are all nerds we will work it out  :-+ :phew: :-/O

PS The 20KG Hammer did stop the jitter
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Re: OCXO frequency dividers and PLL multipliers
« Reply #81 on: September 24, 2020, 05:28:40 am »
Hi Labrat, hi John,

sorry but as mentioned some times before I'm busy with the real life  :=\

As I told you I own a Bodnar pulser I bought to have a source for very sharp square waves (40ps rise time). I ordered it direct in UK and it show up after 2 weeks!
A great piece of engineering art!

And I also took the GPSDO into account. But if you have opened it you will find a cheap UBLOX m6 GPS receiver. As I mentioned above I bought a well looking GPSDO
from a german HAM but unfortunately it suffers from a very LF jitter around 1 Hz which you can be only seen on the scope when compared to an OCXO.
After some investigations I think this comes from a modulation of the V_control that is generated by the PWM signal from an Atmega as far as I can see.

Have you seen any of this low f-jitter?

These days you can get a original TRIMBLE Thunderbolt for around 160 € from China. I think I will spend this money and sell the other one on Ebay again.

Unfortunately this month a HP 34401A 6.5 digit DMM in mint condition and with calibration from the last year (and not from the last Millennium) crossed my way, I couldn't resist ...
So my budget for the hobby is exhausted.

I spend some efforts nowadays to get my equipment running with PC-software control to make some long term measurements.
But this is more demanding than expected. The old boxes need a RS232 connection (not so good, but working anyway) or better an GPIP-bus connection (more money for cables and interfaces needed). The old HP Benchvue software is not available for free anymore. Any suggestions?
The new boxes from Siglent use USB or Ethernet. Best would be Labview but this is a very complex piece of software!

As explained in the other board I will rebuild the FY69 box into its state of origin. I never uesed it after improving it (and having the SDG2042/2122). I have better use for the PSU I used for it (for the Trimble GPSDO may be).

I keep you informed  :-+

Stay in good health!

B.D.

 Hi Volkmar,

 It's funny you should happen to mention that 40ns pulser - I ordered one just yesterday.  :) Assuming the Royal Mail don't do what they did with an order for a small pack of ten bi-colour LEDS I'd placed with a UK based Ebay seller over a fortnight ago, I might just see it delivered by the end of this week.

[EDIT 2020-09-23] It arrived in this morning's post! (along with a small ziplock bag of ten bi-colour LEDS stuffed inside of a small unpadded envelope with a 1st class stamp from the seller mentioned below)  :-+  :)

 That Ebay seller is shipping out another pack of LEDs which hopefully, the Royal Mail won't lose this time. I'd placed orders with three other UK based sellers on the same day and they all arrived within just one to three days (no later than their estimated delivery dates) but this one was even overtaken by an order for a pack of four 1 metre SMA patch cables I'd placed with a Chinese supplier on the same day!  :wtf:

 A year or so back, I'd considered ordering the cheaper single channel Leo Bodnar GPSDO (just £99.99) but held off on account it was using a VCTCXO rather than a VCOCXO - I wasn't aware (or realised the significance) of the use of a navigation gps receiver back then otherwise I would have spent even less time agonising over whether or not to blow a hundred quid for a "Quick Fix" Frequency Reference standard for my home lab.

 In retrospect, as nicely made as it was, I'm rather glad  didn't give in to my desire for this "Quick Fix" otherwise I wouldn't have learnt as much as I have done over the past couple of years by pursuing my own DIY GPSDO activities.

 If by Chinese manufactured Trimble based GPSDOs you mean those BG7TBL units being discussed in a thread that's been going since August 2015  right up until yesterday here:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/bg7tbl-gpsdo-master-reference/msg3143006/#msg3143006

 I'd just like to point out that this does suffer from a very slight negative frequency offset of 0.2mHz, presumed to be the result of a still uncorrected rounding error in its control algorithm. For most users, this probably won't matter (it's an error of just 2Hz when the 10MHz is multiplied up to 100GHz).

 However, for those using it to re-calibrate a RFS, I'd expect that otherwise insignificant offset to become seriously annoying in very short order (I know it would annoy me! ::) ). I just thought it was worth pointing this out in case you weren't already aware of this frequency offset and it was important to you that your GPSDO standard remained resolutely phase locked to the GPS master clock.

 JOOI, I checked out pricing of those pre-owned HP 34401A bench multimeters and found a UK seller asking a mere £399 plus £19.50 postage (about the price of a SIGLENT SDM3045X Dual-Display Digital Multimeter). It looked in good condition but no mention of recent calibration. A brand new SDM3065X 6 1/2 digit Bench Multimeter from Telonic Instruments would knock me back a cool £740.40 inc VAT. I'm not surprised your wallet is still recovering from the shock. Even at "bargain prices" these bench meters aren't cheap ::)

 It's just as well that I can manage quite nicely for the time being with a cheap 9999 counts Mestek to monitor the 2.2833v EFC voltage in tenths of a mV by reading the 283.3mV difference against a temperature stable 2v dc reference offset I'd built into the MK II GPSDO for just this purpose. I know I'll eventually be spending a few hundred quid on a 6 1/2 digit bench meter but why rush into spending some 396 quid on a 4 1/2 digit meter when a 13 quid Mestek and a handful of matched 1K resistors can get the job done for just a fraction of the cost?  :)

  I emailed Telonic Instruments just yesterday afternoon for a discounted price quote on the SDG1032X. I'd finally reached a decision after two months of agonising over whether to go for the higher spec (but no special square wave function) SDG2042X or the cheaper SDG1032X with a decent square wave function that stretches all the way to 60MHz and decided that the square wave option of the cheaper model would best serve my needs.

 I figured that if it did turn out that I'd underestimated my need for a 1.2GSa/s 16 bit arbitrary wave function generator after all, I could easily rectify that 'mistake' by simply chucking an extra 490 quid at the problem (and keep the '1032X anyway for generating high frequency square waves).

 I think the reason Siglent decided against incorporating the '1032X's square wave feature into the '2042X may have been to persuade their customers to own both rather than just choose one over the other, thereby generating an additional sale of the 1000X model alongside of the 2000X models. IOW, Siglent appear to have spotted an opportunity to "Have their cake and eat it!". Never mind, it's only money. ::)

 I might have an answer out of Telonic by tomorrow but, whatever the outcome, I will be purchasing an SDG1032X to supplant my much modified FY6600 which may yet prove a useful spare thanks to the external 10MHz reference feature that I'd added to it.

[Edit 2020-09-24] I got my reply. No luck on the discount but I wasn't too surprised with such a "cheap" item of testgear (Oh how almost two year's ownership of an FY6600-60M changes your perception of what is "cheap"!). I've ordered one anyway. It was only £277.20p VAT paid and next business day delivery (probably Monday 'cos I'd missed the 3pm deadline).

 If it just ends up gathering dust on a cupboard shelf and I find myself cannibalising it for the 10MHz OCXO, I can always add a divide by 5 circuit to the 50MHz TCXO board I'd used as my first XO upgrade which I suspect will be quite susceptible to a dose of frequency injection locking (better than just scrapping the whole generator for the sake of recovering a valuable OCXO). Anyway, that's all for the future and since I still have a "Lifetime's Supply" of these 10MHz CQE OCXOs going spare, that could prove to be in a very distant future I may never ever have to deal with ::)  :)

 Anyway, that's the latest news and information I have to offer at the moment. I think I've mentioned the Efratom LPRO-101 I'd bought the tail end of August which I've had running 24/7 since then, providing some interesting insights into the effects of the GPS system's shortcomings on the behaviour of my my James Miller styled DIY GPSDO.

 I had intended to keep the MK I going a bit longer to compare it against the RFS alongside of the MK II but it fell apart when I was trying to test the 13MHz OCXO on increasingly higher voltage rails that I didn't want accidentally destroying any of the 5 volt parts during this testing process so it looks like I'll have to breadboard another GPSDO using a NEO-M8N gps module (but without the 13MHz OCXO and all the paraphernalia of a divide by 1.3 rat's nest of TTL jiggery pokery used by the original MK I).

 I'll just use one of my spare 10MHz OCXOs since what I really want to compare is the performance of a NEO-M8N against that of a NEO-M8T in regard of phase modulation effects imposed, for the most part, by changes in electron density in the ionosphere.

 That little side project should keep me occupied whilst I await delivery of a nicely sized extruded aluminium enclosure I'd ordered from China to house my LPRO-101 in so I can stabilise its temperature and, ultimately compensate for barometric pressure changes to create the most stable RFS it's possible to achieve in a home laboratory environment. I'd spent the best part of 200 quid on that rubidium oscillator and I intend to maximise the return on this investment. >:D

John
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Re: OCXO frequency dividers and PLL multipliers
« Reply #82 on: September 24, 2020, 06:59:28 am »
Hi John,

fast answer because I'm on the jump to a business trip.
I found my HP 34401A not at EBay (there the HP stuff is overpriced) but at Ebay "Kleinanzeigen" (do not know the english brand name, the Ebay local marketplace where people sell there things as on a flee market).
I paid 340 € incl. delivery for a device in mint condition.  :-DD

I know this chinese HAM brand you named but I take into consideration  this: (my PSU I used for the FY69 should be uesed)

https://ebay.us/NSvlkU

This is a real Trimble and the firmware isn't so old. But not this month!

So I have to hit the road. cu best regards to all B.D.
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