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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #150 on: October 06, 2024, 03:45:11 pm »
About robots, I guess a robot is not supposed to know the purpose of its temporary existence. It is made just to execute the various programs that are embedded in its structure.

Similarly, we like it or not, humans (forming the great majority around the world) who find themselves having no choice but to execute their preprogramed instincts only (forced to live as robots), see the purpose of their temporary existence simply in what they do in the material world (no matter if seen by others as good or evil). For example, even those whose nature lets them enjoy hunting other humans are seen as brave heroes if their killing serves the interest of some powerful rich masters (usually representing a country or a tribe).

I am afraid that the end purpose of human's existence could be known only by those who don't have to (are free not to) live like robots. I wonder how many around here feel a great joy whenever they decide to oppose their imposed instincts (for example, by ignoring their natural rights of survival and having fair justice, to name a few)?
A philosopher: A living thing has no choice but to execute its pre-programmed instructions embedded in it (known as instincts).
Therefore, the only freedom, a human may have, is his ability to oppose or not his natural robotic nature.
But, by opposing it, such a human becomes no more of this world.
 

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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #151 on: October 06, 2024, 04:00:34 pm »
First, I reject your inference that we evolved from apes.  That's a darwinistic fantasy already proven false a hundred times over.  Also, the back pain is not a design issue.  Its because people injured themselves doing something improperly and now have a herniated disc or spine out of alignment etc.  User error once again.

Oh, so you're a leading medic as well as an artist now, are you?   :-DD  The billions of people with bad backs will be pleased to learn that it's all their own fault.

....well actually cancer is a curse from God for sin in many cases.  It is generally caused by demons given permission to slowly kill you because of unforgiveness or sin in your life.  It's part of the curses on man for sinning.  Not a design flaw but a solution to sin in the form of a punishment.  Punishments are a good thing.
Cancer is not a default design flaw of a healthy working body.  Also it can be related to toxic substances you took in foolishly or because someone else was foolish and poisoned you.  These can be factors too in addition to the spiritual ones I mentioned.  Neither has to be exclusive.

OH. MY. GOD!

In the past 18 months my cousin died of cancer.  Then my mum.  Then my brother.  His wife almost died of it.  And now I've got incurable cancer.  My other brother is a vicar with 30+ years service to God and the community, and yet he is apparently being punished by losing his two brothers, his mum, his cousin and almost his sister-in-law to cancer.  So you think he - who has probably served God in more ways than you could ever imagine - is being PUNISHED BY GOD??

Dementia --- that's not a default design flaw.  Its a disease that is most likely a curse that results from sin as well.  Sin has consequences.  Exo 15:26 He said, "If you will carefully obey the LORD your God, do what is right in his eyes, listen to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, then I won't inflict on you all the diseases that I inflicted on the Egyptians, because I am the LORD your healer." --- this verse proves that many of these diseases you are listing are just punishments is most cases or consequences of people poisoning their neighbor due to greed in some cases etc.  NOT design flaws of the human body!

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There are evil kids for one thing.  Second, demons are allowed to attack entire families regardless the age if the parents are evil.  Third, kids dying is a punishment for the parents that hits home.  Serves as a great punishment for parents as far as the profound impact.  David's son with Bathsheba was struck dead to punish David.  It hurt bad.  Sin has consequences.  If you loved your kids you would not sin against God which can cause your kids to be afflicted and killed as a result to punish you.  That's sobering.  In ZERO sense is that an argument against God.  He's not some carebear who refuses to punish anybody.  He's HARD CORE at punishing and angry with the wicked every day.  God HATES all workers of iniquity.  So do I.  I agree with God.

Anybody who thinks it is just to punish the children for the sins of their parents is EVIL.  @artbyrobot, YOU ARE EVIL!

Actually I can't say that with any conviction because I'm a devout atheist and don't believe in God, Satan, demons or any of that.  There is evil, but I'm afraid, my little fantasist, that it is evolved into us along with the power of good.  Good and evil evolved from our basic survival instincts.

But having read your responses, and especially the opinions of the people who have checked out your software claims, and your hilariously inept attempts at mechanics, I've come to the view that you are just a sad little twat with a PROFOUND lack of self-knowledge who lives in a fantasy world of make-believe and miracles.  I find your personality and attitude intolerable, so I will terminate our correspondence at this point.

I am just one voice out of many, but I'm exercising mine to tell you to fuck off now, and take your pathetic fantasy world with you.
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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #152 on: October 06, 2024, 04:18:07 pm »
Sin... sin...!!! is there someone here who can define the word 'sinning'.

In my vocabulary, a human sins whenever he hurts, for one reason or another and in one way or another, another human. And the latter one (if he is free not to react as a robot, not to follow his natural instincts) is given the power to forgive his offender.

I guess, any other definition of sin (or the like) is inherited from paganism.
A philosopher: A living thing has no choice but to execute its pre-programmed instructions embedded in it (known as instincts).
Therefore, the only freedom, a human may have, is his ability to oppose or not his natural robotic nature.
But, by opposing it, such a human becomes no more of this world.
 

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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #153 on: October 06, 2024, 04:21:45 pm »
Also, it's not a sex bot if that's the other angle you are going with.  I think that's sinful.

Then why are you posting and hosting your images on a love doll forum. Here's where one of your images is hosted that was posted on this forum at the very beginning -

https://dollforum.com/forum/download/file.php?id=1283447

and this is the forum -

https://dollforum.com/


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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #154 on: October 06, 2024, 04:23:23 pm »
Also, it's not a sex bot if that's the other angle you are going with.  I think that's sinful.

Then why are you posting and hosting your images on a love doll forum. Here's where one of your images is hosted that was posted on this forum at the very beginning -

https://dollforum.com/forum/download/file.php?id=1283447

and this is the forum -

https://dollforum.com/

Wow, what on earth is this thread really about then?
Technically speaking, that is.
 

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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #155 on: October 06, 2024, 04:26:33 pm »
The doll thing! Never noticed the URL. Oh man, now that's some funny stuff.  :-DD
 
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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #156 on: October 06, 2024, 04:30:53 pm »
Webcam eyes, fishing line, windows 7... it's all starting to make sense.

No wonder he doesn't like interrupts.
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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #157 on: October 06, 2024, 04:32:27 pm »

Wow, what on earth is this thread really about then?
Technically speaking, that is.

Uh well, ah, Hmmm ... I'd say use your imagination.  ;D
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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #158 on: October 06, 2024, 04:34:19 pm »
Webcam eyes, fishing line, windows 7... it's all starting to make sense.

 
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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #159 on: October 06, 2024, 04:40:55 pm »
@MK14, I haven't seen that in years, Double Polaroid!!  ;D ;D
 
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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #160 on: October 06, 2024, 05:24:51 pm »
Also, it's not a sex bot if that's the other angle you are going with.  I think that's sinful.
Then why are you posting and hosting your images on a love doll forum. Here's where one of your images is hosted that was posted on this forum at the very beginning -

https://dollforum.com/forum/download/file.php?id=1283447

and this is the forum -

https://dollforum.com/

That's it, that's the turning point. I'm going to nearby market to grab popcorn.
 
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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #161 on: October 06, 2024, 05:53:09 pm »
Also, it's not a sex bot if that's the other angle you are going with.  I think that's sinful.
Then why are you posting and hosting your images on a love doll forum. Here's where one of your images is hosted that was posted on this forum at the very beginning -

https://dollforum.com/forum/download/file.php?id=1283447

and this is the forum -

https://dollforum.com/

That's it, that's the turning point. I'm going to nearby market to grab popcorn.

Get me a bag of salted caramel Manul, I'll bring the cola and the lawn chairs.

(Just posting this to subscribe to the thread, I think Larry's got some explaining to do. It's all become a lot more like "Wonderworld").

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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #162 on: October 06, 2024, 06:48:25 pm »
Webcam eyes, fishing line, windows 7... it's all starting to make sense.

No wonder he doesn't like interrupts.

I wonder how many breasts it has!

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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #163 on: October 06, 2024, 07:07:19 pm »
Webcam eyes, fishing line, windows 7... it's all starting to make sense.

No wonder he doesn't like interrupts.

Ka-boom, tssshhh!
 

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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #164 on: October 06, 2024, 07:32:16 pm »
So he's not working on Mudd's Women?
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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #165 on: October 06, 2024, 07:51:39 pm »
Hey, sorry, another "final" comment.

I've had a good look at various videos, and I'm gobsmacked!  @artbyrobot, you're even more of a moron than I thought!  You think turning a bearing into a pulley by holding little discs of plastic either side with thread counts as an INVENTION??!!  :-DD

The video is a hoot!  "So the thread goes through and back to hold the discs in place. Then the upper rope comes down, round the outer of the bearing and up again.  And finally the anchor rope goes........ (long pause as he thinks 'Oh fuck!) ..... errmmm, through the same hole as the thread.  Hmmmm."

All of the vids proceed with glacial slowness, which clearly reflects the speed of his thinking and is why, after 10 years of development, he's got three-fifths of fuck all to show for it.  I know plenty of clockmakers, watchmakers and model engineers who could wipe the floor with @artbyrobot in five minutes.

I wish I'd bothered to go to his website right at the beginning, because then I wouldn't even have engaged with this thread at all.

Guys, go and check him out for yourselves - be prepared for stultifying tedium and hilarious ineptitude.  It's great!  (For a few minutes, anyway.)
 

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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #166 on: October 06, 2024, 08:23:36 pm »
But hasn't this been an entertaining thread though?

I mean fair play to our valiant protagonist - I feel like I have been on a rollercoaster ride of engineering and spirituality and utter nonsense for a few days.
 

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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #167 on: October 06, 2024, 08:46:07 pm »
But hasn't this been an entertaining thread though?

I mean fair play to our valiant protagonist - I feel like I have been on a rollercoaster ride of engineering and spirituality and utter nonsense for a few days.

No engineering to be found, but yes, it's been quite a giggle.  He got a bit near the knuckle when he said cancer was God punishing you for sinning, and that he supported killing children (by giving them cancer) if their parents had sinned.  That's not spiritual, it's sick.

Anyway, it looks like he has left the building. Must have been when he realised his sex doll picture hosting site had been rumbled.
 

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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #168 on: October 07, 2024, 12:37:21 am »
Also, it's not a sex bot if that's the other angle you are going with.  I think that's sinful.
Then why are you posting and hosting your images on a love doll forum. Here's where one of your images is hosted that was posted on this forum at the very beginning -

https://dollforum.com/forum/download/file.php?id=1283447

and this is the forum -

https://dollforum.com/
and why you took the trouble to sniff everything beyond context of this thread? are you impotence? or have sexual tendecy toward same gender? (no offense, just curious) sex is natural phenomena unless you choose or think you have traits that go against natural phenomena/evolution/procreation, or try to define whats unnatural as natural? when we/women/society choose/define to live in a way that makes natural phenomena difficult to occur or implemented, or not according "by the book", then sex robot is one natural after effect of it imho, supply and demand i dont think there's any problem with it, stop trying to pretend as an ethical philosopher. dont get me into cancer as "punishment" or not punishment philosophy, its goes beyond the context and reaching to boundary of whats not allowed in this forum, cheers.
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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #169 on: October 07, 2024, 01:00:53 am »
and why you took the trouble to sniff everything beyond context of this thread? are you impotence? or have sexual tendecy toward same gender?

Possibly xrunner is simply just tech savvy and checks the URL of links before clicking on them? It would be the smart thing to do.

Now, I can see how artbyrobot got there. It's a pretty natural place to look if you're designing the most realistic human looking robot. They've definitely got that down pat with those dolls. But again, he'd be viewing what's essentially pornography by being a member of a forum with the ability to post pictures.
So its ironic when an arrogant, self righteous person who is preaching about "sin", posts links to a images hosted on a sex doll site.
I personally don't have a problem with porn, sex dolls, etc, but, when such a person goes on and on pushing their extreme religious ideology onto others, its laughable hypocrisy and deserving of mockery when they are caught red handed like that.
 
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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #170 on: October 07, 2024, 04:20:55 am »
@KerimF

You say "We may say that the true level of one’s intelligence shows up only whenever he needs really to do/have something new (new to him, if not to the world). And not having it would be out of question for him, unless he dies before finishing it." --- exactly.  Great point Kerimf.





@wobbly

You say my potential ability to work on this in the afterlife means I have an infinite budget and timescale.  --- yes, in theory it does.  However, that's plan B.  I still want to try to get it done before I die.  That's just my back up plan.  So I can't use that as a crutch by overly relying on it too much as you infer here.




@Mechatrommer

i would love to see what motor model used that you want to placed spreaded in forearm etc, to conform with anatomically correctness, i suspect those motors will be very underpowered or either very slow if you want to implement gear down as well to increase torque/force etc.." --- I know of only 1 robot company that developed their own motors that don't then downgear AT ALL.  It's a nice luxury but I'm not taking that route.  I want off the shelf motors for now at least.  Maybe some day in a future version I can go all custom motors no downgearing.  That said, I'm using 2430 BLDC motors.  Pretty sure I already said this.  The have enough throughput for fingers but have to be downgeared.  They are high speed low torque and need gearing to bring to normal speed decent torque for fingers.



You say "i havent found a mechanical/electrical motor that has such 2 type (speed but weak + slow but strong) system" --- interestingly, my pulley system has a fast group and slower stronger group which only engages when the load is more significant.  I may have accidentally pulled this off without intending to.

You say "hint: dont get easily agitated by the "dream killers"/naysayers around here, thread like this is guaranteed 100% will attract those kind of people" --- I'm getting used to it.  My dad is one.  Has given me that for years.  I avoid talking to him about anything I plan to do that isn't extremely easy and quick to get done.  His dream killing hurts more and is more personal.  But online strangers don't have the impact when they trash my dreams so much.  Plus, I think if a dreamer dreams too big, the dream killer can help bring them more down to earth maybe and balance their expectations closer to reality.  The dreamer is at 10 and the naysayer at 1 and the reality is probably at 4 or 5.  So they are both wrong probably and a compromise is probably the truth.


You say "dont talk much to prove you are right unless you have physical proof to show" --- I disagree.  I can address everybody in a respectful manner and address all their points with my own arguments as time allows as long as I enjoy it and don't get discouraged by it.  I might persuade some but most importantly, I'm getting feedback at all which is a blessing.  Usually, these project threads get crickets.  This one seems to have gone viral lately.  I doubt that will last.

You say "some pictures of fishing hook tucked into black fiber" --- I am not using the whole hook.  I just wanted the eye of the hook which I snapped off with a cutter and sanded smooth on edges and then use that as a anchor point to tie to.  I'm open to suggestions on how else to get a tiny ring that's similar and already premade of the same size or close.

You say "and use "quote" button to quote's people word to reply, thats much neater" --- I'd rather use quotation marks which are plenty neat IMO.


You say those who succeed in finding the truth about the purpose of life etc and qualify for heaven will not care about robotics.  I agree in part, however, I am not positive it is that cut and dry.  First, I think I have succeeded as evidenced by my becoming a living saint who no longer sins (willfully).  That is a Biblical indicator you are heading for heaven on the narrow path.   And yet I still have interest in robots now despite being hard core for God and for obeying God.  So what about my dying would change that?  Well maybe seeing the angels and other saints all the time would take up all my free time so I would not have time for robots.  But I am not positive that need be the case.  Perhaps I'd still have 5% of my time totally alone to still do hobbies.  Especially during the 1000 year reign of Christ on earth coming up.  If I am part of that, my job will be to govern people like Moses did in the wilderness.  I may want breaks to do hobbies and relax alone during that time.  Surely if I'm in a heavenly choire in the throneroom of God I'm not going to be messing with fishing hooks.  But when not doing that type of thing its possible I'd do hobbies.  Not sure. 


You say "teach me how to design and build a real biological muscle and bones and skin etc" --- I don't think God would allow that.  If he taught someone that and they later rebelled, they could literally start a new race of people made by their own hands and it would be a mess.  And forming their very bodies by hand would make those people consider this rebel a God to them which would usurp the true God.  So that information would be a trade secret I think.






@Manul

You say "I watched parts of your coding videos, some old, some new. There's nothing there. It's just messing around - at best." --- I disagree.  I literally code productively on coding videos and the code functions well and works efficiently and has very few bugs if any even on first draft.  You have presented patently and objectively false information here.  In other words it's a lie.


You say "You know that it's a sin to waste your talents. God gave you artistic abilities, yet you throw them away and insist on messing around with things which are clearly not your cup of tea." --- I disagree on both points.  It MAY BE a sin to waste your talents but not if you do so unknowingly or by necessity.  It can be a sin to use your talents if you do so at the expense of providing for your family.  For example, lets say you insist on pursuing art but make hardly any money at it and your family is starving.  That's sinful regardless of your art skills. Also, if you are alluding to the parable of the talents,  the Bible is not speaking of art talents or sports talents when it speaks of wasting talents.  It is speaking of talents aka dollars.  Talents were a form of currency back then.  You could have 10 talents which would be like $10k cash.  So it was a sin to waste cash you were blessed with on loan from God that you were supposed to use for good. 

Also, you imply that artistic abilities are a good thing.  While they are okay, generally they aren't something you can make money at.  Starving artist is a term for a reason.  So the WISE way to use artistic talents is to use them in the course of reglar non-art related business and projects.  So you can use them to have a good eye for your remodeling of real estate.  Or you can use them to make better youtube thumbnails for your non-art related youtube channel videos.  Or you can use them to build a good looking robot.  I use mine in all these ways. So they are NOT wasted like you suggest is happening.  Fine art is a waste of artistiic talents if it doesn't pay the bills.  Which one of you would pay 6 figures for a masterpiece painted by me?  No takers?  That's what I thought.  Waste of my time to pursue painting or drawing then professionally speaking.

You say "Have you considered that it might indeed be evil, who deceives you into doing so?" --- yes, I have considered that.  Like it could be my pride or hunger for attention causing me to build robots.  But I determined it is neither.  Sure some attention for it is nice but its not a negative unhealthy hunger for attention.  And I don't have pride issues to my knowledge so its not that IMO.  Also, as a saint, I am convinced I am unable to be deceived by evil like you suggest.  God would help me see through the deception IMO.

You say "it's genuinely sad for me to see when people waste talent or generally don't realize how off-track they are." --- I don't think either apply to me.  As I said I use my art talent in many ways for useful things that actually are productive and bring income unlike fine art which is a dead end IMO.  Also, even if the robot was off track, I don't work on it that much so the risk it is taking away from things I could be working on is lowered by a ton.  Like I said earlier most of the time I put into the robot is during what would otherwise be my TV time so I ONLY sacrifice watching TV to work on it.  I pursue many healthy things besides the robot and use my various talents (I have MANY) doing many things.





@steve

You say "I don't think he knows enough about OSs to understand the differences." --- I disagree.  I have listened to podcasts about real time OSs and get the gist.  I also am well on my way to developing my own OS so I know alot more than most people about OSs.  Most people have never made an OS.

you say that windows has poor error handling and recovery, for instance." --- I am not sure how that is relevant.  My program should handle its own errors that isn't windows job IMO.  Unless you are referring to window's own errors?  I don't think there are any major ones.  I run windows 7 for several months without any bugs and I never even restart it during those several months and I use sometimes like 15 programs open at once.

You say "would you be happy for it to blue-screen-and-reboot half way through overtaking another car" --- I don't get bluescreens on windows 7.  I don't get reboots.  I don't share your experience.  Seems you are talking about windows xp or windows 95 or something windows 7 doesn't have those issues.  It is stable as can be from my experience.

You say "a serious developer would be looking at a custom Linux build." --- yeah if they are inside the box thinkers copying others.  An outside the box thinker like myself can use windows just fine IMO.  Liinux is just hype IMO.






@wobbly

You say "why tie yourself to a pre-existing platform?" --- I mean I am building a OS from scratch which I COULD use one day for the robot if I want.  But I'm not counting on that and doubt it will come to that.  I think windows would be fine.  But if windows really isn't up to the task, I would go full custom OS over linux or any OS anybody offers.  I'd rather just go full custom at that point.

You say "Not sure if Github works in Heaven anyway" --- I think you misunderstand my view of the afterlife.  Sure, the heaven you see in movies might be a thing involved in it all, but it isn't like we just will hang out there forever.  God sends the saints BACK to THIS earth to rule for 1k years.  During that time we are with living people on this same earth and these living people are still just mortals in mortal bodies but the saints will have immortal bodies like angels.  it is during this timeframe that I can find my hard drive and robot materials and resume my build on this earth using this earth's resources.  Also, I could have God rematerialize all this earth's resources including windows 7 in the event that they were destroyed by natural disasters or w/e while I'm dead.  Or lost in a landfill or w/e.  God could help me either dig them up or could just materialize them for me with magic.

You say "The project is so esoteric it would be best to just develop a new OS from bare metal." --- I'm doing this already but am not set on it being the robot's OS but it is plan b.







@MK14

You say "Some people (most probably), seem to really like Windows, and are surprisingly (at least to me), reluctant to change to something else." --- that's because we used it our whole life and know it like the back of our hand and changing would be like switching to speaking a new language at the age of 50.  Just a waste of time and have to relearn decades of education to master the new OS.  Total dumb waste.







@KerimF

You say "About robots, I guess a robot is not supposed to know the purpose of its temporary existence." --- who gets to make that rule?  I completely disagree.  I am teaching my robot exactly what its purpose is and exactly what the purpose of mankind is the the purpose of this earth is and what God's overarching plans are etc.  The robot will have a Biblical worldview I give to it and will not be able to get out of that world view.  I will make sure escaping the Biblical world view is not possible for it.


You say "It is made just to execute the various programs that are embedded in its structure." --- correct.  That doesn't mean it can't have a worldview.  Even though its true "understanding" is only artificial and not real like a person can understand stuff.  It would have some pseudo understanding that parallels true understanding but is fake in a sense.  Machines can't ACTUALLY understand ANYTHING and never will.  They have no soul.

You say humans have no choice but to execute their instincts only.  I disagree.  We have a choice.  My instinct is to have sex with lots of hot women.  It would be fun and feel good physically.  But I know it is wrong to be a womanizer.  So I don't do that and instead I obey God.  So you saying we have no choice but to give into our base sinful desires is just giving a license for sin and its evil to say it.  It's a lie.  We can choose to do good.  God says if you choose to do well will you not be accepted?  He says that sin knocks at your door and it desires to have you but you must rule over it.  We have to overcome the sin in us that wants to take over.  We have to choose to do good instead of evil.  It is a choice.  You lie to say we have no choice.

You say "I am afraid that the end purpose of human's existence could be known only by those who don't have to (are free not to) live like robots." --- nobody has to live like robots.  Everyone has the choice to obey God instead.  And yes, those who refuse to give into their evil desires but instead obey God are shown by God the end purpose.  I am one such person IMO.  Anyone can do it if they are sick of being a sinner and ready to follow God fully.





@Steve

You say "The billions of people with bad backs will be pleased to learn that it's all their own fault." --- this is common knowledge.  Sit on your butt hunched over all day on a phone with crap posture and never hit the gym for decades and wonder why you are obese with a bad back.  This is not rocket science folks.  Be healthy and enjoy a good back.  Use good form when you lift heavy things and have a good back.  It's common sense.

You say "now I've got incurable cancer." --- that doesn't exist.  God can cure it. 

You say "My other brother is a vicar" --- are you suggesting all Catholic priests are sinless?  *literally everyone in room coughs*  If you have even one sin in your life you refuse to repent of, no matter what church you are with, you are on your way to hell.  And so being a priest is not a guarantee of being more worthy of supernatural healing of disease. 

You say "So you think he - who has probably served God in more ways than you could ever imagine - is being PUNISHED BY GOD??" --- lets say he actually is walking in absolute holiness and doens't sin willfully AT ALL and genuinely follows God fully.  In that case, he would not be getting punished by God for his current lifestyle we can agree.  However, he could be getting punished by God for past sins he already repented of.  The Bible says you will reap what you sew.  So if he did some really evil stuff in the past, he could still be getting punished for that.  Consider this: if you reap what you sew and he didn't finish reaping things he sewed in the past, he'd have to finish his reaping in this life because assuming he went to heaven, it is unlikely he'd still be reaping punishments there.  I would find it odd seeing people in heaven being punished still by God for past sins although it could be possible in the case of deathbed conversions?  Not sure. 

That said, David in the Bible was said to have done what was right in the sight of the Lord ALL the days of his life EXCEPT in the matter of Uriah the Hittite.  So that being the case, why did David suffer punishments years and years and even decades after the Uriah incident?  Because he had to reap what he sewed from that long past incident.  So here we have a Biblical precedent for someone being punished 30 years later for something they did DESPITE them repenting of that and living holy lives after the fact.  This COULD be the case for your brother.  I have no clue.  It can also be the case that your brother is doing sins WHILE serving in his official capacities and does this knowingly.  Supposing that were true, and I am merely painting a hypothetical here, not an accusation of a total stranger mind you, supposing that were true, the fact God taught him much and used him much and yet he is now sinning in God's face would be a BIG cause for BIG punishment.  Because the Bible says to him who is given much, more will be required.  It also says not many should be teachers for they will face a stricter judgement.  If your brother is a vicar, then he's a teacher and example to others.  He's held to a higher standard possibly then and would be in even bigger trouble if he doesn't walk in total holiness on a daily basis. 

Steve MUST have the following attitude if he received this message accurately:  I, Steve, love my family alot and don't like to think of them as sinners.  Especially my brother who serves as a vicar and seems to be a great example.  So if cancer in my family is a judgement from God for sins of my family, that would be a shocking thing I hadn't considered before.  I find it unlikely but am open to hearing out other views.  Artbyrobot threw out some compelling theories based on the Bible and his study of it.  I realize he doesn't know my family and is not judging them in any way.  He is merely trying to shed some Bible theory onto the situation at MY request in a respectful manner that is not offensive at all.  He also did not want to be off topic of projects and technology which is what this forum section is for and so he kept it short and sweet but steered the conversation back to technology quickly to respect the rules of the forum while also respecting a poster who had a Bible related question.  He was upright and honest and praiseworthy in all of his words and deserves the utmost respect and applause from us all for his example.  Also all of us moderators agree with Steve on this.  We think Artbyrobot is the man and a valuable forum member who is an example of what we all should strive to be on this forum.


You say "Anybody who thinks it is just to punish the children for the sins of their parents is EVIL  @artbyrobot, YOU ARE EVIL!" --- I think there is more nuance to it than that.  I asked one of my Bible teacher's (teachers can have teachers) about this as it pertained to David's son with Bathsheba that God had put to death to punish David.  I asked if the child was being punished for what David did.  My teacher said the child was not being punished, God was punishing DAVID by taking the child's life.  So I agreed.  It may seem like God is punishing the child but that is not the point.  The point was to punish David.  The next question becomes:  well didn't the child suffer?  Should the child have to suffer?  That seems messed up!  Well my other Bible teacher said he thinks the child did not suffer.  He thinks he felt just slowly his life force draining but no physical pain.  Sort of just getting weaker and weaker and falling into a sleep and dying that way.  A painless death.  So I agree with your statement here in a sense and disagree that I'm evil and disagree that by extension God is evil - since I'm merely agreeing with God's approach after all.  God is NOT evil.  What I can say is that when kids die to punish their parents, I think God would make it as painless a death as possible basically.  If he has no gripe with the kids and only with the parents, their death is purposeful - to punish the parents, and yet you'd want to try to keep their pain in dying to a minimum.  That we can agree on.  There is so much more to say on this but I have to keep it short to get back on topic of robotics.  One more thing I'll say though.  In some movies, there's a screwup in bootcamp or football camp and the coach or boot-camp drill sargent "punishes" the rest of the group when the screwup screws up.  The whole team does pushups.  The screw up, not wanting to upset the rest of the team tried harder than ever to do better after that.  It is one thing to get punished and easier, but to make your whole team get punished is harder to take.  You hate to see it so you try for their sakes even harder.  Creates a team mentality and doing things for your team so your team doesn't get into trouble because of you.  I think some of the same psychological tactics are at play in God punishing the family or city or w/e because of the actions of one member or a few members etc.  Again, the team isn't really being "punished" but moreso the offender is being punished by the team having to suffer as a result of the offenders actions.  This is related.  And no, these coaches and drill instructors are not considered evil for this tactic.  Its a brilliant strategy and hits home for the offender well.  It is effective.  The team suffers the splash damage intended chiefly for the offender in its purpose.  The instructor is not mad at the team, but allows them to suffer consequences aimed at making the offender feel worse than ever.  The psychological impact on the offender is the goal.  Torment for him is the main goal.  A little physical suffering for the team is a means to an end and justified even though they did nothing wrong.  This isn't evil as you suggest.  Evil is only evil if there is cold and malicious intent behind it that is not overarchingly for the good in its motives.  The coach or instructor is trying to get everyone's best effort and prepare them for a successful war or for a successful football season.  Their goal is to bless their team or squad and they want the best outcome for them in the long term.  So whatever psychological games they play and suffering they cause toward the ultimate good end is justified due to the overarching healthy goal in the long term.  So also, God's goal is to get us to stop sinning and live lives free of shame and regret where we are all kind and loving to eachother and do good to one another.  So if he allows suffering sometimes of the non-offenders, to punish the offenders deeply, to make an example of them, to cause others to fear God and obey God and in turn improve their lives and be happier and more blessed and more loving and do the good they know to do more and everyone enters more and more a utopia.  Utopia then is the goal of God.  And He steps on toes to get us there.  But you don't see the forest through the trees and just say hey God stay out of it!  Not considering the long term goal is amazing and supporting complex and sometimes seemingly unfair ways he goes about these goals.  God's ways are fair.  But it takes wisdom and understanding to test and approve of God's perfect ways.  And you have to meditate and study deeply for a long time to truly understand things of God.  Suffice to say, everyone wants utopia but not everyone is happy on God's methods toward steering us that direction.  They think they could do better?  They are prideful and blind to think that.  God's a genius.  He never makes a single mistake.

You say "But having read your responses, and especially the opinions of the people who have checked out your software claims, and your hilariously inept attempts at mechanics, I've come to the view that you are just a sad little twat with a PROFOUND lack of self-knowledge who lives in a fantasy world of make-believe and miracles.  I find your personality and attitude intolerable, so I will terminate our correspondence at this point." --- let the mods be FAIR and consider the personal attacks Steve brings here.  Calling me a twat for example.  You know, I'm in the minority being a religious person and people come shoving their atheism religion down my throat uninvited and I push back even a tiny bit and I'm the one shoving Bible down throats.  It's hypocrisy!  Atheism is a religion.  Notice how Steve says "DEVOUT atheist"...  its a religion you can be devout in dedication to.  Devout is even a religious term.  He unconsciously confesses that atheism is his religion when he chooses to use the word devout to describe his dedication to his religion of atheism.  So all this talk about how you all are non-religious is not strictly true.  You all are VERY religious in your commitment to atheism.  You fight tooth and nail against anyone who does not subscribe to your religion of atheism.

Anyways, you listen very close to people who watched 5 minutes of me coding and sum up all of my coding by that 5 minutes.  What a joke.  I can probably code in circles around them but if I don't use their preferred spacing or variables naming paradigms or their preferred IDE, I must be a bad coder.  It is really stupid the reasons you get when you have them elaborate on why they thing your coding is bad.  One guy said its because when I compiled, there were TONS of errors the compiler listed.  Well in the section he alluded to, I had let the compiler find all my undeclared variables which I prefer to declare at the end after I'm done coding and I declare them as global variables at the top of the source file at the end.  The compiler shows me all the undeclared ones and I declare them then during the start of the compiling and testing phase after I'm done with my coding session.  This is a personal preference.  It is more efficient to me.  But this random guy felt it indicated how error prone my coding was!  If he had continued to watch, he would have seen that after I finished declaring all the variables, there were ZERO errors.  The code ran perfectly with no bugs despite it being hours and hours of coding hundreds of lines of bug free code.  Yet he walked away thinking I code buggy code.  So go ahead and listen to the people who watched 5 minutes of me coding and judge I suck at it.  It is so foolish really.  Acting like children.

You say "your hilariously inept attempts at mechanics" --- prove it.  Nobody has demonstrated a single example of this claim.  You are throwing out nonsense here.  Just being dishonest and mean spirited.  It's ugly.  you are wicked.

You say "who lives in a fantasy world of make-believe and miracles" --- speak for yourself.  You believe we evolved from ooze that magically turned into people over a LONG LONG TIME.  Pure fantasy and religious quackery you atheists invented.  It's shameful really.  Life from non-life is not proven but your faith in your atheism assures you its doable.  Pathetic.

You say "I am just one voice out of many, but I'm exercising mine to tell you to fuck off now, and take your pathetic fantasy world with you." --- I guarantee this is against forum rules.  You can't be any more rude and uncivilized than this.  This guy is acting like a demon for real.  Wicked foolish behaving individual right here.








@KerimF

You say "Sin... sin...!!! is there someone here who can define the word 'sinning'." --- yes.  Sinning is failing to do the good you know to do.  Sinning is also failing to listen to God.  Sinning is doing bad.  There is unknowingly sinning by accident and there is willlful sinning done with full knowledge which is pure evil.  I don't do that latter at all anymore.  I love and listen to God instead.

You say "In my vocabulary, a human sins whenever he hurts, for one reason or another and in one way or another, another human." --- that's a poor definition.  it can be true in many cases, but there's too many exceptions.  Like if I tell someone cussing out their boss in front of the staff was immature and unprofessional and this hurts their feelings, I did not sin by hurting their feelings.  Sometimes the truth hurts.  Etc.  There's MANY ways hurting others is the loving thing to do.  The Bible says faithful are the wounds of a friend.
 Faithful wounds hurt but hurt for your own good because they love you.









@xrunner

You say "Then why are you posting and hosting your images on a love doll forum" --- they have a section called the inventors corner which is basically dedicated to people coming up with ways to add AI and robotics to their love dolls.  It also is dedicated to techniques in making realistic silicone skin DIY.  As well as the care and maintenance of human sized dolls.  It dawned on me that a humanoid robot, particularly one with realistic skin made of silicone, is exactly the same thing as they are trying to do and so despite me thinking sex with dolls or robots or w/e is sinful, I found that their goals and research is in alignment with my own goals and research on most things relating to the robotics part and AI part of bringing silicone that is fashioned as human skin to life by way of technology.  Their forum is extremely active and so despite me being against alot of the sexualization of dolls that goes on there, I decided it would be a good place to share my project and get feedback on it.  So it, along with this forum, are places I share updates and discuss it.  Forums that are active communities are rare and so the best one can do is find active forums that are at least overlapping with my project in the subject matter.  I share my project updates on as many active forums as I can.  These two are just two of many others.  Some forums that are the MOST on topic of what I'm doing, like humanoidable.com, are completely dead with no active user base.  So ones that may tend to be a bit less on topic but have significant overlap tend to be where I can get the most feedback and visibility.







@MK14

You say relating to my project also being shared on the doll forum - "Wow, what on earth is this thread really about then? Technically speaking, that is." --- I already stated this throughout the thread.  Just because I shared my project on a forum where people are also making humanoid robots but some intending to have sex with their creations does not mean that I suddenly must necessarily therefore intend to have sex with my creations as you seem to infer.  I have plainly stated that mine is not a sex bot.  None of the robots I make do I plan to have sex with nor do I even plan to make realistic genitalia for them.  They are for doing chores, manufacturing, doing sports, etc.  Not for ANY sexual purposes.  Because I think that's sinful.






@Kim

You say "The doll thing! Never noticed the URL. Oh man, now that's some funny stuff.  :-DD" --- not sure what's so funny about it.  Unless you are inferring I just got caught with my hand in the cookie jar, secretly planning to use my robots for sexual purposes while play acting like they are not for those purposes.  If that is what you are suggesting, you are in error once again.  Just like you were in error when you cussed at me for defending God and the Bible in your blind hatred for God.  The people on this forum like you and others are proving to be mainly just heathen pagans.  Not followers of God who trust and obey God and read and obey the Bible like I do.  So as far as I'm concerned, the sinners on the doll forum are just as worthy of seeing and commenting on my robot project as the sinners on eev blog.  One sinner isn't more worthy of discussing robots than another sinner.  All sinners shall have their part in the Lake of Fire according to the Bible.  I hope you all repent though and the sooner the better.  God's ways are best.  Just obey Him.  I'd appreciate if you stop suggesting I'm lying about my robot being for non-sexual purposes.  You have no evidence of that and it is mere evil speculations that are unfounded and unproven.








@Xena

You say "I think Larry's got some explaining to do. It's all become a lot more like "Wonderworld")." --- I think you meant to say Westworld.  I've seen the show.  But as I said before above, a roboticised sex doll and a robot like the terminator are both the same thing except one may be created with sex as one intended use case and another may be made with sex as a non-intended use case.  My robots are made with sex as a non-intended use case.  But the roboticists making sex capable robots are my colleagues even if they have sexual motivations I don't share.  We are both creating realistic humanoid robots after all.  So we can certainly both benefit by sharing notes you see. 

AT BEST you could make the argument that perhaps a Christian should not be consorting with those sinners.  But the people here are sinners too I'm noticing.  Most people on earth are unless they become a true living saint like me.  And that is VERY rare to find.  Most people refuse to stop sinning.  The Bible does not say to never eat with sinners.  It says to refuse to eat with anyone who professes to be a follower of Jesus but has sexual sin in their life.  It says to not even eat with such a person.  It says if you were to never eat with anyone who has sexual sin in their life period, then you'd have to go out of this world.  So as long as I'm in this world, I'll be dealing with sinners and seeing them all as wicked, I don't see the logic of writing off the sex doll sinners but warmly embracing the eev blog sinners.  Both sex doll forum sinners and eev blog forum sinners can see my project and give feedback.  I will be kind to both groups and not see one as better sinners than the others.  I will treat both groups respectfully and call them both to read the Bible and obey it while also sharing my project with them.  This seems best in my eyes. 

Next, you might say well what about the sexual imagery on that forum.  Aren't Christians supposed to not see that?  Well, for some weak in the area of lust, they would be advised not to go there because that forum could cause them to lust.  But for someone who has truly gained victory over all lust in their life like myself, who is pure in that area, I, like Jesus, am able to see a woman with all purity and not lust after her just because of her form or comeliness.  I can view her as a daughter or mother with all purity.  I have trained my heart in this.  So seeing some dolls photographed lewdly has not caused me to lust nor sin in any ways.  I am able to visit that site to learn about making humanoid robots and share my own project without sinning.  I would not advise anyone go there unless they have great self control over their eyes and heart and total purity and victory over lust.  it is definitely a place people could fall into lust if they are not prepared and victorious in that department.







@Steve

You say "@artbyrobot, you're even more of a moron than I thought!" --- please, EVERYONE, note this language.  I have been respectful but I am being talked to abusively.  Bear that in mind when you say you think I am deserving of being banned.  You should not EVER suggest this.  It is unjust to say it.  I have done nothing worthy of ban.  Steve is worthy of a ban if you ask me but he probably behaves great to anyone who hates God like he does.  Bible obeyers are probably the only ones who get this type of abuse from Steve. 

You say " You think turning a bearing into a pulley by holding little discs of plastic either side with thread counts as an INVENTION??!!" --- yes and no.  It can be considered inventing a process of manufacture of a pulley.  However, I would not say it means I invented the concept of a pulley or of using a bearing in the construction of a pulley.  Your suggestion that I implied this is carried out in bad faith and is malicious and insincere.  I am convinced you are just being mean spirited and a mocker who is behaving completely dishonestly right now.  I hope other readers are not taking your nonsense seriously.  It is pathetic.  Don't be dumb enough to buy into these lies everyone.


You say "All of the vids proceed with glacial slowness, which clearly reflects the speed of his thinking and is why, after 10 years of development, he's got three-fifths of fuck all to show for it." --- While I agree I may think a bit slower than some, I think I think reasonably faster than most and come up with solutions rather swiftly.  I have great creativity and am a great problem solver.  I have made many inventions and come up with solutions readily enough.  The main reasons for my slow development are lack of time to dedicate to it and long breaks from it.  Secondary reasons include realizing hobby servos or metal geared servos are too loud and having to start over on the electronics and motor choices on account of that.  Or realizing brushed dc motors don't cut it and having to start over on the electronics with BLDC motors instead because of that.  Or realizing commercial power supplies or motor controllers don't cut it and learning how to make my own from scratch with no EE background as a big tangent.  Or learning state of the art AI sucks and having to develop a viable path and plan for my own AGI from scratch as a giant tangent.  All of these MASSIVE hurdles I had to cross involved thousands of hours of research, note taking, and planning to overcome. 

And yet you say "having nothing to show for it". --- I disagree.  You are focusing on the portion of the iceberg visible above water - IE how much visible progress on the physical robot you can see.  What you are not acknowledging in this assessment of progress is the thousands of hours of necessary education I underwent in that 10 year period.  Gaining a working knowledge in many areas of advanced AI, mechanics, EE, artificial skin, and on and on it goes.  Even metal working and blacksmithing.  It really just goes on and on and on.  3d printing.  Just all kinds of stuff I have a massive working knowledge in now.  That I did not have prior to that 10 year period.  And you call all that education zero progress but its not.  You also overlook hundreds of hours of CAD I have bird in hand as well as thousands of lines of code done for the AI stuff.  And the electronics prototyping work I have done you also overlook.  Both power supplies and motor controllers all full custom high end.  So yeah you are WAY WAY WAY off here in this assessment.





@Steve

You say "No engineering to be found" --- that is just a HUGE lie.  Developing a Archimedes pulley system is engineering.  Developing custom motor controllers is engineering.  Developing artificial ligaments is engineering.  This thread and project is PACKED FULL of engineering.  So you are just a flat out liar.  And clown (in your behavior of late and disrespectful manner of late). 

You say "He got a bit near the knuckle when he said cancer was God punishing you for sinning" --- if you are so devout at atheism then why would you care what someone says about God if God doesn't exist.  You are just a walking oxymoron.  The Bible teaches God sends diseases as a punishment for sin.  Is cancer a disease?  yes.  So can sin be a possible cause according to the Bible?  yes.  So your anger over this fact is unfounded and ridiculous. 





@mechatrommer

You say "sex robot is one natural after effect of it imho, supply and demand I don't think there's any problem with it" --- well I don't think xrunner necessarily has a problem with sex robots but does have a problem with Artbyrobot making sex robots on the down low while pretending sex robots are sinful and acting like he's against it which would make him a hypocrite and showing off how Artbyrobot is posting his project on a sex doll forum would expose him in theory as having ulterior motives related to sexual use of his robots in theory according to xrunner.  However, what xrunner did not consider is that posting a robot project on a robotics subforum of the doll forum does not necessarily mean that artbyrobot has intentions of using his robots for sexual purposes as can be falsely assumed by his posting his project there.  In fact, I will say that I hesitated posting the project there for a long time because I didn't like the sexual subject matter often focused on in that site.  However, I just wasn't getting much of any feedback at all on the conventional robotics forums so finally decided to post there despite my reservations about the overarching group focus on sex with rubber dolls.  The amount of robotics discussion there and research and development on that front was just too much to pass up as a source of research material and colleague searching.  Having colleagues to share notes with is pretty vital IMO to fast tracking success and is a luxury.  Also the fact that place is so active was such a huge draw because posting my project on some dead corner of the internet it will never be seen accomplishes little to nothing productive.  Rather go where the people are to get feedback.




@kim

You say "Now, I can see how artbyrobot got there. It's a pretty natural place to look if you're designing the most realistic human looking robot." --- exactly.  Literally who else is focusing on realism and robotics for human appearance.   The intersection of that and what I am planning is undeniable.  And the sources of information on realistic silicone skin are very sparse on the internet still.  Alot of it is paywalled by workshops run by Hollywood special effects guys looking to make a buck.  There's not much free information about making silicone skin aside from the doll forum from what I found.  Although little by little YouTube is getting more and more makeup and special effects free videos so that's nice.  But they weren't around much 7 or 8 years ago.  It's getting better now.


You say "But again, he'd be viewing what's essentially pornography by being a member of a forum" --- I agree and disagree.  When I walk into the men's locker room at the gym, I see countless naked men most not even wearing a towel.  I don't view nudity in this context as sexual because I'm there to work out and not look at the men.  They aren't there looking to seduce (well most aren't I think).  So context matters.  if I go there to research humanoid robots, I have a reason that is valid to be there.  So its not the same as casually going and watching porn for the sake of watching porn.  You'd have to have a good reason to justify seeing some things that COULD cause you to lust in your heart and thereby commit adultery in your heart and in so doing put yourself on the pathway straight to hell.  In this case I have a good reason to be there.  I of course have to be very careful while there and very serious and sober minded and guarded so that I ensure I don't lust after some of the photos on there.  I will say this:  I am sure Jesus could make a delivery of some homemade chairs and tables to a sex doll factory and would not lust.  But what he'd see in that factory could cause someone to lust but Jesus would not fall for it.  So also can any saint be exposed to some sexual imagery in the course of going about their business and not sin despite the exposure.  We are prudent to LIMIT exposure and be very guarded when exposed, but exposure in and of itself is not a sin unless we lust when exposed.  That is where self control comes into play and guarding the heart with all diligence comes into play.

You say I'm an arrogant, self righteous person" --- I disagree.  You as a sinner and God hater are not qualified to make that assessment anyways.  The Bible says a spiritual man judges all things but can be rightly judged by no man (or woman of course).  So to be self righteous is to be a sinner who only pretends to be righteous to get applause from others while secretly is still sinning like the rest.  Can you prove I'm still sinning as you infer by this label you unrighteously ascribed to me?  No you can't.  It's yet another false accusation and that's a sin in itself from you.  You say I'm arrogant.  I disagree.  To submit to God and obey Him in all things is a humble thing to do.  That's what I do at all times.  So that proves I'm not arrogant.  You calling me arrogant with zero evidence to back it up is wicked of you. 


You say "its laughable hypocrisy and deserving of mockery when they are caught red handed like that." --- I disagree in part.  Sure, if you could prove my posting my project on that site was indicative of my plans to have sex with my robots, then surely that would be hypocritical.  But posting a robot project on a subforum of that site dedicated to robotic inventions for humanoids is far from being caught red handed necessarily.  There is nothing sinful in sharing my project there as you infer may be the case or rather suggest is necessarily the case for a Christian.  It is not the case necessarily.  Also, in my post there, I emphasize the same commitment to purity and Bible following and obeying and I condemn publicly the use of robots for sex there on that site.  That indicates boldness in my faith and fearlessness at being scorned by the populace there.  It also plainly sets me apart there as one who does not approve of a main theme they have on that site.  This makes my intentions clear and washes my hands before all.  They were warned.  Beyond that, any need for me to not post there is non-existent in my sight.
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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #171 on: October 07, 2024, 05:03:46 am »
Calling it now: this is a new Terry Davis but instead of a functional OS it's some kind of hyper-focus on a completely unachievable humanoid robot.

OP: seek help; I see that you mentioned family being unhappy about this, and I suspect it has nothing to do with the project itself.
 
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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #172 on: October 07, 2024, 05:11:42 am »
You say I'm arrogant.  I disagree.  To submit to God and obey Him in all things is a humble thing to do.  That's what I do at all times.  So that proves I'm not arrogant.  You calling me arrogant with zero evidence to back it up is wicked of you.

Hmmm... Interesting:

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First, I think I have succeeded as evidenced by my becoming a living saint who no longer sins (willfully).

Also, as a saint, I am convinced I am unable to be deceived by evil like you suggest.  God would help me see through the deception IMO.

God sends the saints BACK to THIS earth to rule for 1k years.  During that time we are with living people on this same earth and these living people are still just mortals in mortal bodies but the saints will have immortal bodies like angels.

But the people here are sinners too I'm noticing.  Most people on earth are unless they become a true living saint like me.  And that is VERY rare to find.
 

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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #173 on: October 07, 2024, 05:54:45 am »
@MK14

You say "Some people (most probably), seem to really like Windows, and are surprisingly (at least to me), reluctant to change to something else." --- that's because we used it our whole life and know it like the back of our hand and changing would be like switching to speaking a new language at the age of 50.  Just a waste of time and have to relearn decades of education to master the new OS.  Total dumb waste.

Actually, I think that is a VERY good answer!

I hadn't perceived the situation like that myself.  I suppose I'm (analogy) like someone who can fluently speak more than twenty different foreign languages, and can learn a new one, in at least a basic sense, over a weekend. (end of analogy).

Which makes it hard or very hard for me to perceive the plight of others, who would struggle, to change operating systems.

On the other hand, in the same way, if a person wanted or needed to work at an embassy in a foreign country, and had a role there, that involved meeting lots of different people.  Being able to cope with various foreign languages, would be an important skill (with some exceptions).

Similarly, wanting to do a very big Electronics and Software project, needs flexibility, to cope with a wide range of electronics and software stuff.  Otherwise, the task could be made a lot harder.

In other words.  Your explanation, would perhaps be acceptable, for a sixty year old, Grandmother, who just wants to send some emails and browse the web, occasionally.  They could stick with Windows.

But, serious Embedded projects, can need serious tools, to get the job done well and efficiently.

Eventually, the limitations of Windows 7, could catch up with your project, and prevent you from easily, moving the project forward.
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Re: My Advanced Realistic Humanoid Robots Project
« Reply #174 on: October 07, 2024, 06:04:54 am »
@uer166

You say "Calling it now: this is a new Terry Davis but instead of a functional OS it's some kind of hyper-focus on a completely unachievable humanoid robot." --- well I am a Christian and I am making an OS.  I also am making a robot but it is achievable.  I am not sure calling me a new Terry Davis is applicable since from what I heard, he had some mental health problems.  I have zero mental health problems as my mom and wife can attest - and they are both mental health professionals with degrees in it.

You say "OP: seek help;" --- Considering that I have a wife and mother who are both degree'd mental health professionals who I am in regular contact with who attest I have zero mental health issues, and considering that I am walking in the Holy Spirit with power from God to overcome sin, I already have God's help and already have a clean bill of mental health.  So any further "help" as it pertains to my mental state is not really needed IMO.  Can you prove I have a mental illness that requires treatment as you infer here?  No.  Really it is just a petty and immature insult by you.  Pathetic really.  Just because someone tries to build a cool project that you think is too hard to pull off does not mean they are mentally ill.  People who actually have mental illnesses might find your behavior here offensive.  How cruel of you and inconsiderate.

You say "I see that you mentioned family being unhappy about this, and I suspect it has nothing to do with the project itself." --- what I said was that I gave up talking to them about it years ago because they find it boring.  If I did say they were unhappy about it, and I don't recall saying that, it would mainly be a very mild and fleeting occasional unhappiness about it stemming from other activities they'd rather see me getting done because they personally benefit more from the other activity than from this one.  So a form a selfish disappointment, not genuine selfless disappointment that counts.  So none of them think its a total waste of time.  Heck even my dad who thinks it will never happen and is too hard to do (says the guy who doesn't know how to "work a computer" - unqualified much?) -- so even he who naysays it admits it is a great learning experience and I am benefiting from the knowledge I glean during its pursuit.  So even he isn't purely and strictly unhappy with it through and through per se.



@Kim

Kim cites these claims I made as proving I'm arrogant in her eyes:

Claim #1: I say "First, I think I have succeeded as evidenced by my becoming a living saint who no longer sins (willfully)." --- I assume Kim's issue with this statement is my calling myself a saint.  Perhaps she may have some catholic background and she considers a saint to be a title relegated only to heroes of catholic church history and is a title only placed upon them as a post death honor.  So my calling myself a saint can be viewed as arrogant.  Well I counter this with the following:  in the Bible Paul calls the members of the church of Ephesus saints.  He begins with "to the saints of the church of Ephesus".  So Biblically speaking, anybody following God fully and obeying God fully is a saint.  Catholic traditional usage of that term as a honorary title is a more modern twist to the word saint and I am not using the word in that context.  Saint then is a word that has different meanings in different contexts.  So my usage of the word is not the Catholic usage and so therefore is not arrogant by any means.  In fact some churches regularly refer to the members as saints.  Like some churches will say hey are you going to the get together saturday with the saints to celebrate Sarah's birthday?  Saints is a common lingo in some churches I attend.  So I am off the hook then and proved Kim is judging unrighteously on claim #1.

Claim #2: I say "Also, as a saint, I am convinced I am unable to be deceived by evil like you suggest.  God would help me see through the deception IMO." --- So here Kim supposes that usage of the word saint here is arrogant which I've already proven false.  Next, my belief I can't be deceived by evil she MIGHT think is arrogant but only if she ignores the second sentence where I give God all the credit for that.  Which then is humble to say.  It's like saying I'm not afraid of getting a computer virus because the developer of the anti-virus software I recently installed is a genius.  That's not arrogant to praise the one protecting you from harm.  Deceptions are called poisonous darts in the Bible.  The Bible teaches that the armor of God protects us from these.  He gets the credit for the anti-poison armor so that's not arrogant to trust God like this about this.  So claim #2 also proves Kim judged unjustly.

Claim #3: I say "God sends the saints BACK to THIS earth to rule for 1k years.  During that time we are with living people on this same earth and these living people are still just mortals in mortal bodies but the saints will have immortal bodies like angels." --- During this future event called the Millennial Reign of Christ by theologians which the Bible teaches all about, yes, that is how it works according to my understanding of the Bible.  This is a future event and anyone who dies victorious over this world, the devil, and sin is qualified to join in this millennial reign as one of the co-rulers.  I claim that I am striving to attain to this privilege and on my way there if I endure faithfully to the end of my life as a holy man of God who refuses to sin willfully.  This is not a arrogant thing to say at all.  God gives a carrot on the end of the stick and I say I'm on my way to getting that carrot if I persist.  What exactly is arrogant about striving to obey God and get rewarded for doing so?  This is ridiculous to see ANY arrogance here so once again Kim failed to judge righteously.

Claim #4: "But the people here are sinners too I'm noticing.  Most people on earth are unless they become a true living saint like me.  And that is VERY rare to find." --- So here I point out the obvious: that many people here have been openly admitting to hating God and the Bible and even devoting themselves to the sin of atheism.  I rightly said then that they are sinners.  Others have been cruel and mocking and have demonstrated zero tact or regard for my feelings while coming out against my project and dreams.  While perhaps not openly admitting to being atheists, they proved they are not saints by behaving sinfully and cruelly toward me without a cause.  So then they proved themselves to be sinners.  The Bible says you shall know a tree by its fruit.  If people behave rottenly, they are not a saint.  And if you are not a saint you are a sinner.  There is no third option.  Either you follow God entirely and are kind and loving or not.  That simple according to the Bible.  (Not to say that sinners are never kind or loving conditionally speaking).  I also had a poster openly state that most people on this forum are not religious.  If we define religious as being madly in love with God and the Bible and not religious as being indifferent about God and the Bible or worse, really openly hateful toward God and the Bible, then yes, to be non-religious necessarily makes you a sinner if this is our working definition of religious.  So these are the basis points by which I claimed the people here are sinners.  All just, reasonable, logical, and Biblically sound.  None of these basis points were sinful in their observations by me nor were indicative of arrogance even remotely.  So if any part of that statement was a red flag to Kim, given all facts, then she once again proves her unjust judgement against me. 

On to the next part:  I said:  "Most people on earth are [sinners] unless they become a true living saint like me.  And that is VERY rare to find." --- once again, this is completely Biblical.  If you obey God and follow Him completely, even for a season of life, during that season, you ARE a saint as defined by the Bible (not the catholic church's honorary post mortem title).  The whole Bible teaches that most people are sinners.  It says narrow is the way that leads to life and few there be that find it.  FEW find it.  But BROAD is the way that leads to destruction and many go thereon.  So there aren't many people on earth who get onto the narrow path and even those that do get on (start following God completely and faithfully with all of their hearts) - most people who do this don't persist in it and fall off the wagon and end up right back onto the broad path again.  Regardless of how many times they have found the narrow path, as often as they leave that narrow path they cease to be a saint and go right back to being a sinner.  So finding people who are CURRENTLY all in for God COMPLETELY with ZERO sins in their life that they haven't forsaken is rare to find.  The Bible teaches this and basic observation living on this earth for a long while affirms this.  So nothing about this judgement was arrogant either.  AT BEST, again, Kim would have to say she just doesn't like the use of the term saint but again, that term carries different meanings if you are catholic etc.  So again, I am justified once more and this claim proved Kim is not judging righteously nor justly. 

Now, what if Kim just thinks its impossible to stop sinning and instead obey God.  And so my thinking I've done this is arrogant to her.  I disagree on both fronts.  First, it is possible to stop sinning or else Jesus would not have commanded it nor would Paul and Peter have commanded it and John have commanded it.  The Bible teaches we can stop.  Anything is possible for those who believe and stopping sinning is one possible thing available to those who believe.  Also, note that I speak of stopping knowingly sinning.  I still may commit sins of ignorance unknowingly.  I am not perfect in knowledge.  So to stop doing all the stuff I know is wrong is NOT that hard.  If you love Jesus you WILL keep His commands it says.  I'm doing that now.  Doing so is supported all over the Bible that's just one verse of many.  So there is nothing arrogant about stopping sinning and testifying to that victory and encouraging others to stop as well.  That's just being obedient and can be done humbly.  One cannot be prideful and stop sinning because pride is a sin.  So one has to be humble to stop sinning which I've done.  So even if all of this is an issue for Kim, I've still demonstrated its an unjust judgement against me once again.





@MK14

You say "Actually, I think that is a VERY good answer!" -- thanks for saying so!  Rare to find a positive thing said about anything I write around here so that's refreshing.

You say "Eventually, the limitations of Windows 7, could catch up with your project, and prevent you from easily, moving the project forward." --- I doubt it.  We'll see though.  So far it has been rock solid and has been compatible with everything I need in terms of hardware and software so far.




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