Euro Screw Terminal Block

[Quarlo Klobrigney]

I'm looking for a quality 10mm spacing, Euro Screw Terminal Block.
Not the garbage found from China as seen in blue.
 
Those things are soft (like milk jug plastic) and deform and bend especially when torquing down a wire.
Whilst mounting, the screw just pushes aside the plastic in the hole.
The result is the block pivots and never tightens down.

 I've seen something like this by Weco, but is it any good?

 And unknown:

 And then Molex:

 
Something solid like the last 2 pictured that doesn't go to support some ePayer's alimony or crack habit would be desired.
 
Everything I find is either $5 for a 3 pole with $8 shipping on ePay, forget Amazone's prices.
 
The other problem from suppliers is everything that was cheaper, is backordered until next Leap Year.
Whatever happened to quality?
 
Does anybody know of a reputable cost effective source, for what used to be good quality?

[Miyuki]

If you want something sturdy I like more this style

Or some DIN mount ones

Unless you need a ton of them just get some from a local distributor and stick with a reasonable brand (not cheap unknown Chinese)

[Quarlo Klobrigney]

I'm only looking for 18AWG or 0.75 mm² wire size. What you got there looks like it could carry 50A!

[Quarlo Klobrigney]

I found some very suitable and reusable (not Wago) blocks. Look up Blockmaster 12mm PA12HDS.
Perfect and not crap.
https://www.blockmaster.com/products/eurostyle/

[KaneTW]

These kind of blocks are garbage and unusable for any kind of permanent installation. They're considered acceptable for lamps but frankly they're not.

For junction box etc. applications, skip screws and use Wago 221s.

For DIN rail applications, Phoenix UT or similar if you want screws, otherwise PT.

[Quarlo Klobrigney]

Yes the standard China blocks are absolute rubbish.

These are not. I'm only passing <5A.
They do not deform and they do hold the wires that you install under the screws.
Apples and raisins.

I can't use Wagos as they would be flapping in the breeze.
No box or other enclosure in my application.
Just screwed to wood.

[Monkeh]

These kind of blocks are garbage and unusable for any kind of permanent installation. They're considered acceptable for lamps but frankly they're not.

For junction box etc. applications, skip screws and use Wago 221s.

For DIN rail applications, Phoenix UT or similar if you want screws, otherwise PT.

Before the Wago 221, without DIN rails, and prior to everything being the cheapest product imaginable, these screw terminals were used by the millions (billions? trillions? Anyone got a count?), very successfully.

There may be good alternatives to screw terminals today which are faster, more consistent, and so forth - but screw terminals do work.

[Benta]

@OP,
please don't modify your post to some micro-font that is completely unreadable. Stick with the default font size.
Thanks.

[Quarlo Klobrigney]

Are you talking to my original post? Or is it one that has been fixed?

[Benta]

Your original post. It's unreadable. And it hasn't been fixed.

[Quarlo Klobrigney]

It is readable on my PC monitor.
I did go back and noticed that it was slightly smaller than the rest of the posts.
I then tried to set the font size and it still reads as shown.
I tried 14 pt, 18pt in Courier, Arial and Font Face to no avail.
The original was not copy paste just typed in.
I guess something is broken...

Fixed? ?
First I tried "Modify", then I tried the "Modify message" icon and noticed the text in the photo below on every line. Then I deleted all the references and I think it's fixed. Let me know.
Small odd print...

[Benta]

Perfect. It's now readable.

[Quarlo Klobrigney]

 

[Benta]

Is it for solid wire or stranded wire?
For stranded wire, the correct mounting is crimping ferrules on the end before mounting.
https://www.conrad.de/de/p/vogt-verbindungstechnik-440206-47-aderendhuelse-0-75-mm-unisoliert-metall-100-st-611883.html

[Quarlo Klobrigney]

At < 5A it doesn't matter. Those pins weren't around in the 70's.

[Benta]

At < 5A it doesn't matter. Those pins weren't around in the 70's.

Huh? What's the 70s got to do with it? And it's not about current, but mechanical stability.

[KaneTW]

These kind of blocks are garbage and unusable for any kind of permanent installation. They're considered acceptable for lamps but frankly they're not.

For junction box etc. applications, skip screws and use Wago 221s.

For DIN rail applications, Phoenix UT or similar if you want screws, otherwise PT.

Before the Wago 221, without DIN rails, and prior to everything being the cheapest product imaginable, these screw terminals were used by the millions (billions? trillions? Anyone got a count?), very successfully.

There may be good alternatives to screw terminals today which are faster, more consistent, and so forth - but screw terminals do work.

This particular kind (double-sided entry, "Lüsterklemme" over here) was to my knowledge never allowed in distribution panels or junction boxes. You had one-sided entry ("Dosenklemme") screw terminals which are still permissible in junction boxes.

And yes, always use a ferrule with flexible wire unless it's specifically allowed by the manufacturer to not use a ferrule, and even then I'd recommend it for longevity and ease of handling.

[wizard69]

I'm looking for a quality 10mm spacing, Euro Screw Terminal Block.

Never heard of "Euro Screw Terminal Block", Further I'm not sure what you mean by 10mm spacing.   However if you mean panel mount terminal strips, the best I've used is the MK series, from: https://catalog.weidmueller.com/catalog/Start.do?ObjectID=group7868124270769.   Weidmuller makes some good stuff.

Not the garbage found from China as seen in blue.
 
Those things are soft (like milk jug plastic) and deform and bend especially when torquing down a wire.

Yes I've run into these basically a use once device.

Whilst mounting, the screw just pushes aside the plastic in the hole.
The result is the block pivots and never tightens down.

 ...
Whatever happened to quality?
 

It is available, but you will pay for it.    I haven't purchased any of the MK series lately so I can't offer up even a guess at the price.   In most cases I prefer DIN Rail mount terminal strips

Does anybody know of a reputable cost effective source, for what used to be good quality?

Well I just had to look up what we once used, which is Digikey #281-4070-ND at $13.07 a piece.   This is a 10 circuit block in the small form factor, Weidmuller #0274620000 , in the MK series.   They do have larger, this is just what I've used in the past.   The bodies are a good hard thermoset plastic.    I would suggest buying units that use at least two mounting screws.   Weidmullers on line cataloging system sucks but hopefully you can suffer through it, but Digikey is faster if you know what you want.

[Quarlo Klobrigney]

Well after all this time, Amazon has them in 2 sizes:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Q6KDP9K
2 Way Ceramics Terminal Blocks 21.5 x 19.5 x 14.2mm or Electrical Wire Cable 10 Pcs
And: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09KGQJNRR
2 Way Ceramics Terminal Blocks, 25A 380V 2 Way 5 Hole 380V 25A, 0.85x x 21.5x 19.5 x 14mm Ceramic Connectors 5Pcs


Consider this post as solved.