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Offline stainTopic starter

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Reproducing ST Design Gate Driver
« on: August 25, 2021, 04:11:38 pm »

I try to reproduce the buck-boost converter from the "STM32F334 Discovery" board. Therefore I have drawn a KiCad Schematic and assigned the appropriate spice models. But unfortunately, I'm not able to reproduce the behavior. Or at least I think so, because the gate p-fet (P1) is in my opinion not properly driven.

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Picture form STM UM1735 Fig. 13

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KiCad schematic of the gate drive circuit.
A 1n capacitor is added as gate equivalent.

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The waveform at the "gate-caps"

I think something went wrong or I have a misunderstanding of the design.
For my own purposes, I would like to drive the Ubatt form 3.0-4.2V 3.7 nominal.
The logic level *_Drive may be at 3.3V but I would prefer 2.5V.

Because the p-fet from the reference design is not available, there could be some parameters to change for the p-fet (Vgs threshold).
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Re: Reproducing ST Design Gate Driver
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2021, 08:37:46 pm »
What if you add the D6/D8 zener from the original circuit?  Without it there's no closed circuit on P1, so it's not surprising if it floats around the 1n cap.
 

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Re: Reproducing ST Design Gate Driver
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2021, 09:04:58 am »
In my opinion the zener does nothing but protecting the gate against over voltage.
The capacitor is meant to represent the gate of the MOSFET.
I'm only interested in the gate-source voltage and the dynamic behavior.
I don't see a "floating" problem.

However, I did the simulation anyway with the "exact" diode model from the manufacturer:
 

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Re: Reproducing ST Design Gate Driver
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2021, 04:20:03 pm »
What else is connected to P1, is this the entire simulation?

Your riddle is, why isn't it pulling up to Ubatt every time.  Q2-D voltage should be of interest.

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Re: Reproducing ST Design Gate Driver
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2021, 04:58:52 pm »
I agree with that.

Here is the voltage at the gate and drain of Q2 together with P1.

This is the complete simulation, nothing more connected to the nets.

I have no clue, why the voltages are decreasing over time.

 

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Re: Reproducing ST Design Gate Driver
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2021, 07:50:08 pm »
Netlist?

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Re: Reproducing ST Design Gate Driver
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2021, 11:01:50 am »
There you go
 

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Re: Reproducing ST Design Gate Driver
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2021, 12:59:56 pm »
Q4 doesn't show up, does it have a model?

Can you also post the BC817 and 2N7002K models?  (I'll assume SMAJ and SIGNAL_SCHOTTKY are big libraries, and working fine anyway.)

Q3 and Q4 are probably wired wrong, with Q4 showing as a short circuit B-E (both sides are apparently Net-_Q2-Pad1_).  It's still not obvious how that would give the waveform.

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