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Offline muvideoTopic starter

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Photomultiplier tube teardown, and speed test
« on: June 21, 2012, 06:03:01 pm »
This is and old black box I had in the strange things bin.


My interest for it resurrected when I was playing with a pulse generator and
then I tried to hook up a led to that... but this is an other story.

The black box contains an RCA 931 tube, it's a photomultiplier device,
seem it was relatively common back then and it's easy to find some
selling on the bay.


The “eye”, from here the light enters the sensing side of the tube:


Le'ts open it:


And here is the old RCA931A in all it's glory:


This is the pcb, the opamp suggests that the tube was used for high sensivity
applications, the resistors generate the voltage ladder that supplies the multiplier
stages:


The box contains also a small lamp, self testing perhaps:


The photomultiplier tube is a very interesting device,
because it combines high sensivity, high speed and
easy coupling to 50Ohm scope inputs, the only
requirement is to have at hand an high voltage supply
of around 1kV.
This old tube (the tube itself was build in 1978, but
the datasheet specs are of 1959) is capable
of a risetime (well, better call it a falltime)
of 2nS and a transit time of 8nS.

Let's test it with a pulse generator driving
a small led, the PMT was biased with a voltage
of 900V:


Another fascinating thing about tubes is that
they make visible “single events”, drive the
tube with high voltage and the output shows
random single events where an electron gets
multiplied and generate an electron shower on
the output. In this case the event is very fast
and this can be a good reference point to calibrate
the circuit for maximum speed.


I modified the biasing of the electrodes,
I adapted the circuit in app note TP-133 from Burle:
added some resistors and capaticors to last 4 dynodes
stages and shortened as much as possible some of
the components, now the pulse is much cleaner:


the light source
is an orange led connected to the output of an
avalanche pulser:


Not bad from an old vacuum device :)

Fabio.
« Last Edit: June 21, 2012, 06:07:38 pm by muvideo »
Fabio Eboli.
 

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Re: Photomultiplier tube teardown, and speed test
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2012, 01:48:58 am »
These devices were used in TV "Flying Spot" slide scanners,in conjunction with special high intensity,low persistence CRTs.
They could produce a video signal of considerably higher resolution than the system they were used in.
By contrast,the first generation of vidicon slide scanners,were battling to meet Broadcast specs.
 

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Re: Photomultiplier tube teardown, and speed test
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2012, 08:13:43 am »
Just for fun this tube easily resolved the time of flight of a light pulse over a 6m path:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects-designs-and-technical-stuff/fun-with-laser-and-pmt-tube-or-how-much-is-the-speed-of-light-here/

As I understand this wasnt a particular high specs one, it's datasheet is here, I was wrong, the
datasheet is from 1950 and not 59:
http://tubedata.tubes.se/sheets/049/9/931A.pdf

And here a pair of interesting appnotes, I adapted the biasing circuit of the first:
ftp://ftp.sic.rm.cnr.it/incoming/artov.isac.cnr.it/Maurizio.Viterbini/Public/pmt/Burle2.pdf
ftp://ftp.sic.rm.cnr.it/incoming/ifa.rm.cnr.it/Maurizio.Viterbini/Public/pmt/Burle.pdf

GK, who produces them today? I know of Hamamatsu that has many models in catalogue.
I've seen also that there are microchannel based pmt that have very high speed.

Fabio.
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Re: Photomultiplier tube teardown, and speed test
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2012, 08:53:06 pm »
I'm using a scintillation probe with a NaI (Tl) crystal and a XP2008 modern photomultiplier.


Some more details are available here:
http://www.pocketmagic.net/?p=1541

I recently got an Atten ADS 1102CAL so I'll be able to analyze the probe's output more carefully. For now I've used the PC sound card and I've been able to create a nice gamma spectrography tool, here's a Cs137 source identified with this probe:

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Re: Photomultiplier tube teardown, and speed test
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2012, 10:32:14 am »
If you don't have access to a suitable crystal, go hunting for muons.
Get a thermos bottle (those old glasstype ones with the mirror finish inside), fill it with clear water, stick the photomultiplyer tube inside and prevent ambient light leaking in.
 


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