Deleting posts

[Fraser]

All I can say is that I have found this thread to be very enlightening as a non mainstream forum user. I now understand many of the issues surrounding post deletion and editing. I am very pleased that Dave has decided to maintain the Status Quo as it does seem to work OK. Even my major post self deletion event in the E4 thread did not bring the sky crashing down on us and that was a VERY special case. I like the idea of deleted posts leaving a 'place marker' as one serious result of my deletions was to mess up Mike and Tauchers links to crucial posts that they had made. Those Gents had to edit their links to take account of the change in message numbers. I am sorry for that and told them so. As stated, the brain cells were asleep that evening !

If noting else, this thread has aired the topic well and will hopefully be read by many. If I had read such a thread before my actions in the E4 thread, I would have done it differently and via the moderators who could have advised me of the best course of action to achieve the required objective.

I hope that xrunner will stick around and that feathers become unruffled in time. This is normally a very friendly forum and I have seen no bullying or belittlement in this threads from Dave. When polarised views collide, there will always be some sparks but I feel confident that no malice is intended in this case by either party.

Party On Dudes and be excellent to each other 

[Terabyte2007]

I feel you should be able to edit or delete your posts for a short period of time. There are times when you make a technical mistake or mis-quote someone else only to realize after posting you made the mistake. I think a fair time period would be maybe an hour, after that it becomes the permanent record.

[deth502]

heres a hint to all of those bitcing about post deletion.

if someone says something that you really want to hold them to, simply hit the "quote" button when you reply. they can edit the shit out of their posts, but will never be able to edit their quoted post from your reply (unless they have mod/admin permissions)

problem solved.

[Monkeh]

heres a hint to all of those bitcing about post deletion.

if someone says something that you really want to hold them to, simply hit the "quote" button when you reply. they can edit the shit out of their posts, but will never be able to edit their quoted post from your reply (unless they have mod/admin permissions)

problem solved.

You mean the community can regulate itself? Shocking idea.

[xrunner]

if someone says something that you really want to hold them to, simply hit the "quote" button when you reply. they can edit the shit out of their posts, but will never be able to edit their quoted post from your reply (unless they have mod/admin permissions)

problem solved.

You do realize of course that if I quote a member, that I can modify whatever text is in the quote? I can change it to suit what ever I want to make you appear to have said. So now you see the problem. If you quote text from member A, and they later modify it, and another member modifies the quote too, who's to say what was really said in the first place? If members are editing their posts with no time frame and anywhere they want to, it will be a very confusing and messy place.

Bad idea.

[xrunner]

You mean the community can regulate itself? Shocking idea.

Newsflash - it doesn't regulate itself now. Haven't you ever observed the Global Mods here locking posts and other actions? You live in a dream world.

[Monkeh]

You mean the community can regulate itself? Shocking idea.

Newsflash - it doesn't regulate itself now. Haven't you ever observed the Global Mods here locking posts and other actions? You live in a dream world.

*sigh*

I don't live in a dream world, I've run and moderated forums for years. Take the ad hominem somewhere else.

[deth502]

if someone says something that you really want to hold them to, simply hit the "quote" button when you reply. they can edit the shit out of their posts, but will never be able to edit their quoted post from your reply (unless they have mod/admin permissions)

problem solved.

You do realize of course that if I quote a member, that I can modify whatever text is in the quote? I can change it to suit what ever I want to make you appear to have said. So now you see the problem. If you quote text from member A, and they later modify it, and another member modifies the quote too, who's to say what was really said in the first place? If members are editing their posts with no time frame and anywhere they want to, it will be a very confusing and messy place.

Bad idea.

its still there as a matter of record. and how about this- if your that worried about someone changing your quote and making it look like you said something you didnt, then dont be a little fucking bitch going around deleting your posts. again, problem solved.

[xrunner]

I don't live in a dream world, ...

Yes you do if you believe this forum regulates itself. You said not me. It's simply not the least bit true. It's false.

Just keep clicking your ruby slippers together and repeat

"Xrunner doesn't know what he's talking about ... Xrunner doesn't know what he's talking about ..."

[xrunner]

its still there as a matter of record. ...

You clearly didn't understand what I was trying to explain, unfortunately. 

[deth502]

You mean the community can regulate itself? Shocking idea.

Newsflash - it doesn't regulate itself now. Haven't you ever observed the Global Mods here locking posts and other actions? You live in a dream world.

*sigh*

I don't live in a dream world, I've run and moderated forums for years. Take the ad hominem somewhere else.

is it ad hominem? i thought it was ad hominen. so ive been spelling it wrong this whole time.

[deth502]

its still there as a matter of record. ...

You clearly didn't understand what I was trying to explain, unfortunately. 

you clearly dont want to hear anything but yourself.

[Monkeh]

I don't live in a dream world, ...

Yes you do if you believe this forum regulates itself. You said not me. It's simply not the least bit true. It's false.

It does to a degree, as does any other active forum.

Just keep clicking your ruby slippers together and repeat

"Xrunner doesn't know what he's talking about ... Xrunner doesn't know what he's talking about ..."

I know what I'm talking about. You know what you're talking about. They're two different things, and in many ways incompatible. I suggest you learn to live with the world not being shaped by your hands alone.

Now that you've aired your opinion out for quite some time, may I give you some assistance in sticking it back in its usual warm, sweaty storage location?

[xrunner]

you clearly dont want to hear anything but yourself.

Oh I hear every person here, that's why I'm taking the time to explain what appears to be the unexplainable. 

[c4757p]

Not again...

[rolycat]

I don't live in a dream world, ...

Yes you do if you believe this forum regulates itself. You said not me. It's simply not the least bit true. It's false.

Just keep clicking your ruby slippers together and repeat

"Xrunner doesn't know what he's talking about ... Xrunner doesn't know what he's talking about ..."

Xrunner has cast Monkeh as Dorothy, and Dave is clearly the Wonderful Wizard of Oz.

As their principal adversary presumably xrunner is the Wicked Witch of the West?

[xrunner]

It does to a degree, as does any other active forum.

And to the degree it doesn't, the moderators have to come into play. So I'm exactly right - this forum is not self regulating.

I know what I'm talking about. You know what you're talking about. They're two different things, and in many ways incompatible. I suggest you learn to live with the world not being shaped by your hands alone.

You know it's amazing - people take advice here all the time about electronics without all the huff and puff. But for some weird reason when it comes to the forum, they just won't put up with a person who has experience. I'm going to have to investigate the psychology behind that phenomenon. 

Now that you've aired your opinion out for quite some time, may I give you some assistance in sticking it back in its usual warm, sweaty storage location?

Oh now be nice, you know you have to set an example of how to self-regulate ...

[Monkeh]

You know it's amazing - people take advice here all the time about electronics without all the huff and puff. But for some weird reason when it comes to the forum, they just won't put up with a person who has experience. I'm going to have to investigate the psychology behind that phenomenon. 

And your experience is the only valid experience?

[xrunner]

... and Dave is clearly the Wonderful Wizard of Oz.

Perhaps, but don't you remember there was no wizard, just an old man behind a curtain who had no real power. 

[xrunner]

And your experience is the only valid experience?

It certainly one valid experience which has many years backing it up. You are free to explain yours as well. I have no power here, nothing I say will change much, so I don't know why so many are reacting the way they are. If you don't want to read my posts then ... don't.

[dr.diesel]

I love you Xrunner.

I love you too Monkeh

I love you both.

Both of you behave or else. 

 

[rolycat]

... and Dave is clearly the Wonderful Wizard of Oz.

Perhaps, but don't you remember there was no wizard, just an old man behind a curtain who had no real power. 

In the book.

In real life, Dave has ultimate power over this forum, yet chooses to operate it democratically, despite the occasional obnoxious individual who thinks he should be the one making the decisions.

[xrunner]

I love you Xrunner.

I love you too Monkeh

I love you both.

Both of you behave or else. 

 

See! He's modding quotes! 

[Monkeh]

I love you Xrunner.

I love you too Monkeh

I love you both.

Both of you behave or else. 

 

Mummy, mummy,  I didn't say that!

[xrunner]

In real life, Dave has ultimate power over this forum, yet chooses to operate it democratically, despite the occasional obnoxious individual who thinks he should be the one making the decisions.

Oh bullpuckey.

All I've done is give suggestions and advice. Nobody has to read it or respond to it. So please - spare me.