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Who screwed up the TTL Pinout
« on: January 01, 2023, 11:47:46 am »
Hello,

Does anyone knows a bit of history why the VCC and GND pinout of the TTL series and with it the 4000 CMOS series ended up with the physical worst possible solution. The most critical VCC-GND decoupling loop did wind up in the longest possible pinout of 7 for GND and 14 for VCC in a typical 14 pin package. Not only the IC internal bond wires were the longest but on the PCB too it was the longest distance. That is a nightmare to decouple.
Sylvania came up with its first high level logic series SM2927 in 1966 with a better approach. Pin 4 VCC and Pin 10 GND, but somehow the SN7400 series made it to 14 and 7
https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_sylvaniadaiaUniversalHighLevelLogicMay66_3459527

I know that on early wire wrapped boards it was somewhat easier to route 5V VCC and GND on opposite sides, but decoupling was always a challenge.

Latter on fast high fan out bus drivers TI had to change to VCC and GND side by side and in the midlle of the package where the bond wires where shorter.

So does anyone know why the industry came up with the physical worst solution? It took about 30 years to improve.
 

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Re: Who screwed up the TTL Pinout
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2023, 07:56:58 pm »
Because it's not critical at the edge rates and frequencies typically encountered when these ICs were developed in the 1960s and '70s. By the time you need faster logic you move on to ECL or smaller packages anyway.

It really doesn't matter, as you can see by the billions of electronics gizmos and computers made with TTL parts that worked quite well.

And when it did matter, they changed the power pins around.

https://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/cd74hc93.pdf
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Re: Who screwed up the TTL Pinout
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2023, 08:24:29 pm »
So does anyone know why the industry came up with the physical worst solution? It took about 30 years to improve.
The earliest TTL parts were power hungry, and not fast.
Often physical bus bars were used for power, and PCB's were simplest, so it then made sense to have opposite corner pins

I'm not sure they ever actually improved this.
History shows that the TTL corner pinout survives, simply because that is what PCBs already use, whilst the variants Philips/TI introduced with centre pinouts like 74AC11245 faded.
You can still buy 74AC11245 (now from only TI), but at much higher prices than the parts it hoped to displace.

New parts that are not TTL replacements, can choose any pinout the designers want, and you would never see a new part with corner pins in 2023, but you'd also never see a new part in DIP-only packaging either.
 

Addit: Physical bus bars are still around, here is a 2020 article, where higher currents are not so much from the logic parts anymore...

https://www.edn.com/3d-bus-bar-an-optimum-solution-for-managing-dc-power-rails-on-pcbs/
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Re: Who screwed up the TTL Pinout
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2023, 08:32:44 pm »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't you just connect the decoupling cap to the VCC pin and the ground plane, while placing the cap as close to the chip as possible, like any other IC? Why decouple directly between the chip's VCC and GND pins?

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Re: Who screwed up the TTL Pinout
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2023, 08:36:02 pm »
Because it's not critical at the edge rates and frequencies typically encountered when these ICs were developed in the 1960s and '70s. By the time you need faster logic you move on to ECL or smaller packages anyway.

It really doesn't matter, as you can see by the billions of electronics gizmos and computers made with TTL parts that worked quite well.

And when it did matter, they changed the power pins around.

https://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/cd74hc93.pdf

Hmm. In which way does this part exemplify the subject?  Minimum max output transition time 13ns (and I suppose typical, and actual-min, are proportional fractions, typical of 74HC, so, 5ns or so).  Indeed it seems to exemplify the arbitrariness of things, where they sometimes did dumbass pinouts because...who knows.  (Presumably, because why pay for slightly more die area, or more than one metal layer, to solve PCB issues before they start.  CD4000 I think were more notorious for weird pinouts?, but 74xx did a few too.)

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Re: Who screwed up the TTL Pinout
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2023, 08:40:34 pm »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't you just connect the decoupling cap to the VCC pin and the ground plane, while placing the cap as close to the chip as possible, like any other IC? Why decouple directly between the chip's VCC and GND pins?

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Re: Who screwed up the TTL Pinout
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2023, 08:42:50 pm »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't you just connect the decoupling cap to the VCC pin and the ground plane, while placing the cap as close to the chip as possible, like any other IC? Why decouple directly between the chip's VCC and GND pins?

Yeah. It's not a big deal unless you don't use a ground plane. I don't know how common ground planes were in PCB design in the 70's. I suspect not very, due to being limited to two layers in most cases and due to layout tools which would make designing full ground planes (and not just small ground zones) unpractical. But someone having worked at the time could chime in and give us more details about all this.

I don't know what the rationale was for choosing diagonally opposite corners on TTL chips and many digital chips in general. If someone does?

 

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Re: Who screwed up the TTL Pinout
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2023, 09:23:46 pm »
I don't know what the rationale was for choosing diagonally opposite corners on TTL chips and many digital chips in general. If someone does?
I think a good candidate is as mentioned above, it makes routing power supply buses easy whether you run the buses in parallel under the chips from top to bottom, or perpendicular along the top and bottom.
 
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Re: Who screwed up the TTL Pinout
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2023, 11:18:51 pm »
The 7475 is one that survived with centre pins for Gnd and Vcc.
It has a disadvantage though : you can't put a decoupling cap close to Gnd and Vcc without using the back of the board. So corner pins with a ground plane and the capacitor placed near the Vcc pin is probably better.
 

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Re: Who screwed up the TTL Pinout
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2023, 11:25:41 pm »
TTL was invented in 1961 by James L. Buie of TRW,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transistor%E2%80%93transistor_logic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_L._Buie

You could try to organize a party to go stamp on his grave, but that would not be fair. As Alex Eisenhut already mentioned earlier, the pinout was perfectly adequate for the slow transistors they had back then, and Gordon Moore's prediction of exponential growth of transistor count was made in 1965, which is 4 years later.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Moore

I am wondering when 4-layer PCB's were introduced, and when they became common, but it's probably years later. Although "High end" electronics (for that time) was more common compared to the mass produced cheap stuff we have today. The Cray-1from 1975 was apparently built with 5 layer PCB's. Which indicates that  the even layer count process of these days was not common back then, and that is 15 years later.

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Re: Who screwed up the TTL Pinout
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2023, 11:31:41 pm »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't you just connect the decoupling cap to the VCC pin and the ground plane, while placing the cap as close to the chip as possible, like any other IC? Why decouple directly between the chip's VCC and GND pins?

Forgive my ignorance. I must be missing something. 🤷‍♂️
Many early boards didn't have internal planes. They were two layers only.
Two layer boards were used for lower production cost in most products through until the late 80s. In the 70s we even used single sided boards wherever possible to save production cost! Assembly labour was cheap back then but PCBs were not.

Multi-layer boards didn't really become widespread until EMC regulations came into force and, with the ever increasing digital circuitry clock rates, designers had trouble meeting EMC requirements using only 2-layer boards. The increased complexity and density of circuitry was also a factor forcing the move to multi-layer boards.
 

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Re: Who screwed up the TTL Pinout
« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2023, 11:37:32 pm »
I don't know what the rationale was for choosing diagonally opposite corners on TTL chips and many digital chips in general. If someone does?
I think a good candidate is as mentioned above, it makes routing power supply buses easy whether you run the buses in parallel under the chips from top to bottom, or perpendicular along the top and bottom.
Or both, to form a grid
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Re: Who screwed up the TTL Pinout
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2023, 12:15:00 am »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't you just connect the decoupling cap to the VCC pin and the ground plane, while placing the cap as close to the chip as possible, like any other IC? Why decouple directly between the chip's VCC and GND pins?

Forgive my ignorance. I must be missing something. 🤷‍♂️

Wire wrap boards didn't have power and ground planes as such.  They were often thick boards and the power was on wide tracks, rather than being the entire plane. 

http://www.metricmind.com/audi/images/_0398_evision_front.jpg

So not as much capacitance as you might like. 

Also, many people did not really understand decoupling.  If you do have ground and power planes, you don't really need to worry about the distance from power and ground pins to the capacitors.  The power and ground planes act as a transmission line, providing current to the chip, while the wavefront propagates to the capacitor. 

I took a class with Lee Ritchey, where he showed a demo board that proved this.  The cap had to be up to 6 inches away, before you could see any appreciable reduction in the decoupling.  That guy was impressive.  On everything he taught, he would first give the theory.  Then he would show the simulation.  Then he would show measurements made on a (usually) custom board.  All three agreed, of course.  No need to fudge or hand wave.  Everything taught in that class was solid as a rock.

I did manage to ask him a question that nearly stumped him.  He was talking about ground and power bounce and had mentioned having capacitors built into the chip carriers.  I asked if that wouldn't help with ground bounce and he had to really think about it before saying that it would not make an appreciable difference.  It took me a bit of thinking before I realized he was mostly right.  Ground/power bounce is from sinking/sourcing current through the I/O pin, with a return path through the power/ground paths.  The best on chip decoupling caps will do, is to couple that current to the both the ground and power paths in parallel, so cutting bounce in half. 
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Re: Who screwed up the TTL Pinout
« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2023, 12:19:41 am »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't you just connect the decoupling cap to the VCC pin and the ground plane, while placing the cap as close to the chip as possible, like any other IC? Why decouple directly between the chip's VCC and GND pins?

Yeah. It's not a big deal unless you don't use a ground plane. I don't know how common ground planes were in PCB design in the 70's. I suspect not very, due to being limited to two layers in most cases and due to layout tools which would make designing full ground planes (and not just small ground zones) unpractical. But someone having worked at the time could chime in and give us more details about all this.

I don't recall dates of technology, but I can tell you I never saw a wirewrap board with power/ground planes, other than the traces run under the body of the chips.  The columns were spaced 0.1 inches apart, so no room there.  They often had a ww pin by the power and ground pins, hard wired to the appropriate trace, which means a thinning of the trace width from about 0.2 inches to 0.1 inches.

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Re: Who screwed up the TTL Pinout
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2023, 12:31:24 am »
Two layer boards were used for lower production cost in most products through until the late 80s. In the 70s we even used single sided boards wherever possible to save production cost! Assembly labour was cheap back then but PCBs were not.

Multi-layer boards didn't really become widespread until EMC regulations came into force and, with the ever increasing digital circuitry clock rates, designers had trouble meeting EMC requirements using only 2-layer boards. The increased complexity and density of circuitry was also a factor forcing the move to multi-layer boards.

I don't know about EMC, but I recall the late 90's when DDR memory became common, and mother boards got flaky.  This led to many users claiming this magic memory module was the "good" one that works, and someone else would claim it was a different brand. 

As it turned out, it was none of them.  The problem was the motherboard makers were not using good SI design skills.  So it was a crap shoot as to who's memory would work with which motherboard.  Of course, some brands were designed properly, so didn't have this problem.  But SI was somewhat new, or at least the knowledge of it was not widespread.  So lots of crap motherboards were very marginal. 

This doesn't require multiple layers so much, but it requires attention to impedance and trace length.  Multiple layers makes life a bit easier, but I believe Lee Ritchey was paid to lay out a two layer motherboard in that time frame, and it worked just fine.  They paid Lee a boatload to design a 2 layer board, and recouped that many times over in the manufacturing costs. 
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Re: Who screwed up the TTL Pinout
« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2023, 05:02:22 am »
Because it's not critical at the edge rates and frequencies typically encountered when these ICs were developed in the 1960s and '70s. By the time you need faster logic you move on to ECL or smaller packages anyway.

It really doesn't matter, as you can see by the billions of electronics gizmos and computers made with TTL parts that worked quite well.

And when it did matter, they changed the power pins around.

https://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/cd74hc93.pdf

Hmm. In which way does this part exemplify the subject?  Minimum max output transition time 13ns (and I suppose typical, and actual-min, are proportional fractions, typical of 74HC, so, 5ns or so).  Indeed it seems to exemplify the arbitrariness of things, where they sometimes did dumbass pinouts because...who knows.  (Presumably, because why pay for slightly more die area, or more than one metal layer, to solve PCB issues before they start.  CD4000 I think were more notorious for weird pinouts?, but 74xx did a few too.)

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I don't know but many TTL chips were available with center power pins:

https://nvhrbiblio.nl/biblio/boek/Texas%20Instruments%20-%20TTL%20DataBook%20vol2.pdf

If you scroll to page 54 of the PDF, page 3-3 of the document, you can see that apparently most standard logic TTL chips, least from TI, had this option available.

I was told, a looooooooong time ago, that this reduced the inductance of the connections to the die.

I suppose the only reason you'd want that, if as you point out the chips aren't any faster, is to reduce noise in systems with 100s or 1000s of LSI chips?

I've seen 5V power supplies with 100s of amps for nutty systems like that.

I guess that once MSI and LSI started appearing you didn't have systems with so many SSI chips, therefore they dropped the center power pin variant?

Beats me, lots of guessing on my part.
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Re: Who screwed up the TTL Pinout
« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2023, 07:47:32 am »

I don't know but many TTL chips were available with center power pins:

https://nvhrbiblio.nl/biblio/boek/Texas%20Instruments%20-%20TTL%20DataBook%20vol2.pdf

If you scroll to page 54 of the PDF, page 3-3 of the document, you can see that apparently most standard logic TTL chips, least from TI, had this option available.

I was told, a looooooooong time ago, that this reduced the inductance of the connections to the die.

I suppose the only reason you'd want that, if as you point out the chips aren't any faster, is to reduce noise in systems with 100s or 1000s of LSI chips?

I've seen 5V power supplies with 100s of amps for nutty systems like that.

I guess that once MSI and LSI started appearing you didn't have systems with so many SSI chips, therefore they dropped the center power pin variant?

Beats me, lots of guessing on my part.
That option seems to only be for the W package, which is a ceramic flat pack type package, a precursor to the SOIC SMD packages of today. These were only available in the military temperature range SN54xx series and were rarely seen outside of military equipment and space applications due to their ridiculously expensive prices.
 
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Re: Who screwed up the TTL Pinout
« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2023, 09:31:16 am »
I don't know about EMC, but I recall the late 90's when DDR memory became common, and mother boards got flaky.  This led to many users claiming this magic memory module was the "good" one that works, and someone else would claim it was a different brand.

Yeah, I remember these problems. The nVidia nForce chipset boards were notoriously flaky at 200 MHz FSB speeds. I recall going through 3 different brands/models of board before giving up and just underclocking my Athlon XP 3200+. :(

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Re: Who screwed up the TTL Pinout
« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2023, 11:08:55 am »
This pinout is indeed excellent when you run power & ground tracks under the chip (in 2- or even just 1-layer design!).

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This example shows two 14-pin logic ICs bypassed well enough by one bypass cap in the middle. You can route the whole thing in 1 layer. When you have to connect signals of the opposite sides, you make a longer loop, or just add jumper wires to jump over the Vcc/GND tracks. Jumpers of different lengths were really inexpensive and common back in the days.

There is nothing wrong with the pinout; given the edge rates, it's good enough.
 

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Re: Who screwed up the TTL Pinout
« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2023, 12:51:42 pm »
As soon as you have any logic with more than one I/O port the optimum decoupling loop inductance becomes zero. Any inductance to the decoupling creates ground bounce and bounce to Vcc which is added to you I/O voltage. So you add noise and decrease the margin. With the first logic generations edge rates you could live with the round trip decoupling inductance, but as faster the logic became to AS, FACT etc. as more problematic the long loop distances and with it the inductance became. Every logic output drives a TL with a certain characteristic impedance. So as soon as you have more than one output, any inductance in the decoupling does create crosstalk=noise to the other channels.
TTL are usually tiny chips in the middle of the package. So you can figure that the longer bond wires have inductance of several nH.
 

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Re: Who screwed up the TTL Pinout
« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2023, 02:44:33 pm »
As far as I know, corner pin power and ground made 2 layer board layout easier and the extra inductance was not a problem until advanced schottky, fast advanced schottky TTL, and AC became available at which point the corner connections limited performance.
 
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Re: Who screwed up the TTL Pinout
« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2023, 12:13:56 am »
I have designed (circuit and layout) a few hundred PCBs, including many TTL based PCBs with 20-100 chips, so I have suitable experience to answer this.
I suggest that the rationale was approximately the following...

<tldr> The chips will be arranged in a grid pattern, VCC and VSS are required at every chip, and what matters in EMC is loop area.</tldr> 

The best solution always was a power and ground plane, (which cuts loop area to just about nil) but not all of the jobs we did could afford the extra layers.  Mostly power and ground were grid routed horizontally and vertically.  That means multiple routes for power - a chip near the centre of a grid has power and ground routed to both chips at either side, and above and below.

This was assisted greatly by most of the chips being about 14,16 or 20 pins, similar physical sizes.  Once you have that grid routing in place, decouple capacitors could be placed straddling each of power and ground.  Yes, it is required that the supply feed be low impedance, and that low impedance was facilitated by decoupling capacitors.  But really, in the bigger scheme of things, minimizing that loop area was more important.  And that loop area could not really be made a lot smaller than each of the chips - and when that becomes apparent, it really means that the position of the power supply pins is really less important - it is better to get them as far out of the way as possible, so there is more opportunity to connect signal pins directly to each other, and often those signal connections might be from one pin on a chip to another pin on the same chip - having the power connections out of the way gave more opportunity for those signal connections to be better optimised.

<philosophy> I hope with this different way of analysing the problem, you can see why the choice was (and still is) the best, logical, solution.
If designs were such that connections between pins on the same chip were much less likely than connections between different chips, then argument for shifting power pins out of the way holds less weight.  However, the nature of logic chips is such that gate-to-gate connections are more common.  Now when to reconsider this in terms of say, Microprocessors or FPGAs, then would connections would rarely be made between pins on the same chip, unless we were grounding a mode pin or something.  With those devices, the loop area rationale is just as important, but there is no solid reason to "get the power pins out of the way of the signals", as the tracks are as likely to run away from the device as across the device.  There is also less opportunity to grid route power to dis-similarly sized devices.  There is also more opportunity for devices to be used in PCBs with just a few chips, perhaps even just one or two.  With those factors in mind, it becomes more prudent to design a pinout that places power and ground close enough together so that a decoupling capacitor can easily be placed between them, which was the point-of-view of the original post.  But logic chips, TTL? Yep, corner power pins were the best tradeoff, chosen by engineers with far more practical knowledge than we could ever hope for </philosophy>
 

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Re: Who screwed up the TTL Pinout
« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2023, 05:36:10 pm »
Then there were sockets with a built-in decoupling capacitor.  I don't know how the relatively long lead worked out.

https://www.e-tec.com/v5/products/precision-ic-socket/precision-dip-ic-sockets-tht-through-hole/precision-dip-ic-sockets-wired-capacitors/index.php
 

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Re: Who screwed up the TTL Pinout
« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2023, 06:09:00 pm »
Oddly enough, RTL, which came around before DTL, which came around before TTL, did have the power and ground at the midpoint of each side.

https://worldradiohistory.com/Archive-Don-Lancaster/rtlcb.pdf

Apparently, by the time TTL came around, somebody decided that midpoint Vcc/Gnd was a mistake.

Motorola used to have a nice line of RTL back in the early '70s and that's what got me started with logic design.  I moved rather quickly to TTL and skipped the DTL experience but there were a lot of systems designed with DTL.

 

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Re: Who screwed up the TTL Pinout
« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2023, 07:08:21 pm »
As far as I know, corner pin power and ground made 2 layer board layout easier and the extra inductance was not a problem until advanced schottky, fast advanced schottky TTL, and AC became available at which point the corner connections limited performance.

Actually, it's not really important that the pins be on opposite corners.  It's only needed that the pins be on opposite sides of the chip.  Then power can be routed between the pin rows without interference. 
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