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Online Kleinstein

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Re: new voltage reference from MAXIM
« Reply #50 on: September 02, 2016, 01:52:50 pm »
For very high resolution you will need some kind of chopping or auto-zero for the input stage anyway. A normal high impedance input stage will have way more 1/f noise than the ADC. As these ADCs are really fast, they are more suitable to use just a chopping stage at the input and do the demodulation in software. So no classical chopper OP, but more like the auto zero of DMMs. Measuring zero and the signal one after the other (or changing polarity). This way 1/f noise of the ADC is not that relevant anyway.

Even with chopper OP there will be some extra low frequency noise from thermal effects - not classical 1/f noise, but similar. The other part is the 1/f noise of the reference - at a certain level even a LTZ1000 will add to the noise.

With such a fast ADC, there is not that much analog filtering needed before the ADC and thus no high impedance needed.
 

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Re: new voltage reference from MAXIM
« Reply #51 on: September 02, 2016, 03:06:18 pm »
For very high resolution you will need some kind of chopping or auto-zero for the input stage anyway. A normal high impedance input stage will have way more 1/f noise than the ADC. As these ADCs are really fast, they are more suitable to use just a chopping stage at the input and do the demodulation in software. So no classical chopper OP, but more like the auto zero of DMMs. Measuring zero and the signal one after the other (or changing polarity). This way 1/f noise of the ADC is not that relevant anyway.

Even with chopper OP there will be some extra low frequency noise from thermal effects - not classical 1/f noise, but similar. The other part is the 1/f noise of the reference - at a certain level even a LTZ1000 will add to the noise.

With such a fast ADC, there is not that much analog filtering needed before the ADC and thus no high impedance needed.
Yes, that is one way of doing it. Chopper opamp on the input, analog switches filter after it, and a buffer for the ADC. The buffer is a traditional opamp, the analog switch (2x 1:3, signal, ground, vref ) is switched with a few KHz. After that you need to iron out settling time issues for the buffer, timing and digital magic. I had an analog fronend operating with this principle, the end result was excellent. It was compared to the 3458A at work, they were tracking each other very closely for weeks. I think the result would be a lot better, if it would be a purpose designed data acquisition card. Actually I thought it several time to make my own, probably after my NDA with my ex company expires. The only issue is that the BOM cost is so high, that even a functional prototype is expensive, and I dont have access to a volt nutter multimeter anymore.
I've been thinking about making it a kickstarter, but I actually dont think there are too much volt nutter out there that would buy it. And the ones that do, know (at least parts of it) lot better, so they would rather dispute than buy.
 

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Re: new voltage reference from MAXIM
« Reply #52 on: September 05, 2016, 04:52:17 am »
I have done this sort of thing before by using a chopper stabilized operational amplifier in parallel with a low noise operational amplifier through the offset null capability.  The time constant of the chopper sets the breakpoint between the low 1/f noise of the chopper and the low wideband noise of the conventional operational amplifier.  Calibration is actually pretty easy; configure a x1000 amplifier, measure the output with a DC voltmeter, calculate the standard deviation to get the low frequency RMS noise, and trim the time constant for minimum noise.  The last time I did this, the breakpoint frequency was very close to where the separate noise curves met.

The one thing I have not tried is synchronizing the integration period with the actual power line cycle which may not be exactly 50 or 60 Hz.
 


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