Author Topic: Neoden 4 pick and place (Read 633928 times)

Ichan · « **Reply #575 on:** March 08, 2016, 06:10:34 pm »

Quote from: rx8pilot on March 07, 2016, 10:38:07 pm

I have been looking at the SPR-25. Would you recommend it for low volume fine pitch?

Yes, SPR-25 is a beast for a manual stencil printer, rock solid and heavy (about 50 KG) - the downside it is expensive, and the frame size is large.

Quote from: rwb on March 08, 2016, 06:27:58 am

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This should be a really good test. Your either going to be really happy or stuck fixing problems constantly.

Yeah, there is where the bet lies

To tell the truth, i have a hidden agenda with this machine purchase... (whispering on) i want to try to use the extra feeders on my existing machine (whispering off).

-ichan

mrpackethead · « **Reply #576 on:** March 09, 2016, 02:36:10 am »

Just to chuck somethign else into the mix. Boreytech are offering what seem like quite resonable machiens for this sub $10k market. I've had a quick chat with them, and they seem to be sensible folks.

http://en.boreytech.com/

https://youtu.be/7U3b4rx_1cA

https://youtu.be/dYzK-yTSKLA

https://youtu.be/LFMQ4cXU1zg

https://youtu.be/5LPw9792ObY

thommo · « **Reply #577 on:** March 09, 2016, 03:03:04 am »

Were you able to qualify the max practical part placement/resolution? I know you're wanting to place 0.4mm QFNs.

Which model is under $10K MrP?
Were you able to get a cost indication for their 'feeders' by any chance?

Quote from: mrpackethead on March 09, 2016, 02:36:10 am

Just to chuck somethign else into the mix. Boreytech are offering what seem like quite resonable machiens for this sub $10k market. I've had a quick chat with them, and they seem to be sensible folks.

ServoKit · « **Reply #578 on:** March 09, 2016, 04:40:20 am »

I've seen their machines on AliExpress but was put off by the shipping costs.

Also, I wonder why it is so difficult for some companies to do a properly lighted, high-res video of their machines in this day and age. I'm using a run of the mill S6 on a cheapo tripod for all my vids and pics and you have seen how they turn out.

Regards, Axel

rwb · « **Reply #579 on:** March 09, 2016, 04:45:26 am »

@servokit I was going to ask you which camera you were using to shoot your videos and pictures because they are very clear. So by S6 your talking about a Samsung S6 smart phone right? That's really good if so.

ServoKit · « **Reply #580 on:** March 09, 2016, 04:52:41 am »

Yup, that's the one. I've not once used it for making phone calls, it's only for imaging. The lighting in my shop is the usual tubes on the ceiling, nothing fancy. To attach the S6 to a tripod, I'm using a Shoulderpod S1.

Also, as a rule, everything that doesn't belong is moved outside the view of the camera (see TJ232's comment above).

Regards, Axel

mrpackethead · « **Reply #581 on:** March 09, 2016, 05:00:05 am »

Quote from: ServoKit on March 09, 2016, 04:40:20 am

I've seen their machines on AliExpress but was put off by the shipping costs.

Also, I wonder why it is so difficult for some companies to do a properly lighted, high-res video of their machines in this day and age. I'm using a run of the mill S6 on a cheapo tripod for all my vids and pics and you have seen how they turn out.

Regards, Axel

Something very wrong with those shipping costs. teh machine costs are about right though. thats just a admin error.

matseng · « **Reply #582 on:** March 09, 2016, 05:07:36 am »

Not so extremely very wrong if looking at standard DHL pricing. Shipping 150x60x60 (5'x2'x2') box @ 120 kilos (260 pounds) from Shenzhen to New York is $3300. I guess the machines in the pictures are heavier and have larger crates than that...

ServoKit · « **Reply #583 on:** March 09, 2016, 05:13:24 am »

The merchant's invoice that came with my machine at 60kg gross (120x80x50 or so) listed $200 for shipping from Wenzhou to Germany. This is probably too low, the same seller quotes shipping costs of $400 for a 20kg (?) stencil printer. But still - $8K?

Regards, Axel

matseng · « **Reply #584 on:** March 09, 2016, 05:26:45 am »

Quote from: ServoKit on March 09, 2016, 05:13:24 am

The merchant's invoice that came with my machine at 60kg gross (120x80x50 or so) listed $200 for shipping from Wenzhou to Germany. This is probably too low, the same seller quotes shipping costs of $400 for a 20kg (?) stencil printer. But still - $8K?

With $200 they have a really nice deal with DHL - standard quoted price at the DHL site is $2800 :-)

ServoKit · « **Reply #585 on:** March 09, 2016, 05:35:12 am »

They must - i paid $3'4K in total... I think the $2'8K price from DHL is like paying retail for airline tickets; you don't, you shop around.

Regards, Axel

mrpackethead · « **Reply #586 on:** March 09, 2016, 08:07:48 am »

you can also get it sent seafreight..

mikeselectricstuff · « **Reply #587 on:** March 09, 2016, 09:11:09 am »

I think the high shipping costs are about reducing Aliexpress commission - not uncommon to see stuff a lot cheaper than other sellers but very similar once you compare cost+chipping.

ServoKit · « **Reply #588 on:** March 09, 2016, 09:38:06 am »

Good point, Ali collects 5% IIRC.

Regards, Axel

mrpackethead · « **Reply #589 on:** March 09, 2016, 09:56:46 pm »

the best "buying" for Chinese stuff is www.taobao.com

Its a web site for the chinese domestic market, and so its in chiense, and its a bit painful. but you'll often find the same goods for 50% less there, that you'll find on aliexpress.

Theres "agents" in china, who will buy stuff for you for a commission. and freight is highly comeptitive over there.

Have a look at this.

Seach for "SMT??" on taobao and see the treasure chest you'll find!

megaohms · « **Reply #590 on:** March 10, 2016, 06:15:43 am »

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Ichan · « **Reply #591 on:** March 10, 2016, 02:52:38 pm »

Just got the machine today... Yippee...

-ichan

rwb · « **Reply #592 on:** March 10, 2016, 03:51:35 pm »

@Ichan I was thinking this morning about how I can't wait to see how this machine works out for you. Glad it arrived and your ready to rock and roll with it.

Let the games begin

I'm sure were all excited to see how this plays out for you

Keep the pictures and videos coming

Ichan · « **Reply #593 on:** March 10, 2016, 04:32:24 pm »

Sure, i will share everything! Just ask which part i should take the pictures off, then i will do.

The machine arrived on the afternoon (i am on UTC+07 time), today we just uncrate it and assembly the stand - will continue with it tomorrow.

Just uncrated, seems everything is good. Some feeder block pulled off from it's place, not a big deal.

Assembled stand. Some parts a bit bent but can be straightened easily just by hand - missing the M5 bolts but i have a bunch of it. All holes are tapped and they do not forget to put the rubber sheet

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Some other things on the package: spare feeders, spare vacuum pump, accessory tool box, etc.

Will trim and re-encode some video soon after this and put it on youtube.

-ichan

vonnieda · « **Reply #594 on:** March 10, 2016, 04:36:20 pm »

Quote from: Ichan on March 10, 2016, 04:32:24 pm

Some other things on the package: spare feeders, spare vacuum pump, accessory tool box, etc.
-ichan

Could you post a picture of the label on the pump? Or the information from it? I'm curious what model they are using.

Thanks,
Jason

Ichan · « **Reply #595 on:** March 10, 2016, 04:45:04 pm »

Quote from: vonnieda on March 10, 2016, 04:36:20 pm

Could you post a picture of the label on the pump? Or the information from it? I'm curious what model they are using.

Will do it tomorrow in the workshop, i am at home now.

Had you found how to command the feeder block?

-ichan

vonnieda · « **Reply #596 on:** March 10, 2016, 05:18:15 pm »

Quote from: Ichan on March 10, 2016, 04:45:04 pm

Quote from: vonnieda on March 10, 2016, 04:36:20 pm
Could you post a picture of the label on the pump? Or the information from it? I'm curious what model they are using.

Will do it tomorrow in the workshop, i am at home now.

Had you found how to command the feeder block?

-ichan

No. I know it's CAN but that's all I know. I don't have an N4 to test with, just a single feeder I bought from them. Any information about it that you can discover would be greatly appreciated!

EEVblog · « **Reply #597 on:** March 10, 2016, 11:34:32 pm »

Quote from: Ichan on March 10, 2016, 04:32:24 pm

That looks like a nice compact machine!

mrpackethead · « **Reply #598 on:** March 10, 2016, 11:37:24 pm »

Quote from: EEVblog on March 10, 2016, 11:34:32 pm

Quote from: Ichan on March 10, 2016, 04:32:24 pm

That looks like a nice compact machine!

Small enough to put it in the mailbag, and get opened with the "not" compact letter opening knife?

mikeselectricstuff · « **Reply #599 on:** March 11, 2016, 12:12:55 am »

Quote from: Ichan on March 10, 2016, 04:32:24 pm

Sure, i will share everything! Just ask which part i should take the pictures off, then i will do.

Internals, control electronics etc.

Windows COA ?


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