Tektronix New 3/4-Series Scope (June 4th!)

[EEVblog]

There seem to be massive clearance on the MDO4k

https://www.sjelectronics.co.uk/tektronix-encore-mdo4k-promotion
50-60% off!

Refurbished only?

[kaz911]

yes but those prices for the UK are probably the lowest I have ever seen. UK sale prices vs US prices is about US * 1.5 normally. (Currency and VAT / Duties taken into account)

It is cheaper than ANY MDO4k C series I've seen previously listed on eBay UK 2nd hand.

[Chalmml1]

4 series for a release on the 4th, it seems like they are taking a note out of the computer marketing handbook.

Also from the details for the competition signup,

THE GRAND PRIZE consist of a Tektronix oscilloscope (ARV US $35,370)
THE FIRST PRIZE consist of a Tektronix oscilloscope (ARV US $23,000)

They imply that these are two of the new scope series, so fully optioned and maybe missing a couple of channels for the second one?

[EEVblog]

4 series for a release on the 4th, it seems like they are taking a note out of the computer marketing handbook.

Except they don't realise they are selling to engineers who don't give a toss about such things.

THE GRAND PRIZE consist of a Tektronix oscilloscope (ARV US $35,370)
THE FIRST PRIZE consist of a Tektronix oscilloscope (ARV US $23,000)
They imply that these are two of the new scope series, so fully optioned and maybe missing a couple of channels for the second one?

If so that's insane, more than the 5 series. Can't be right.

[Brumby]

.... and designed from the feedback of interviewing 100 scope users.

They only asked 100 people? If that number is accurate, this will be fun to watch.

I think it's hundreds:

[Fungus]

I think it's hundreds:

Who let the extra apostrophe's out?

[JPortici]

4 series for a release on the 4th, it seems like they are taking a note out of the computer marketing handbook.

Except they don't realise they are selling to engineers who don't give a toss about such things.

no, they are selling to sales department drones and uni lab thechies

[nctnico]

Looks like it won't fit under my shelving

Looks good to me though. And if it has 8 channels the prices don't look so bad.

[David Hess]

4 series for a release on the 4th, it seems like they are taking a note out of the computer marketing handbook.

Except they don't realise they are selling to engineers who don't give a toss about such things.

The engineers do not but the person who authorizes the purchase does.

[ResistorRob]

.... and designed from the feedback of interviewing 100 scope users.

They only asked 100 people? If that number is accurate, this will be fun to watch.

I think it's hundreds

I already clarified the typo in the very next post after Terra's as a reply to his, which you quoted. If you would have scrolled another inch you would have seen it. Or you seen it, and are just bored so decided to troll me. Either way I can't believe you took time out of your day to point out word missing an "s"   

[ResistorRob]

I just want a 100 MHz, 4 Channel, 8+ Logic, Touchscreen (not dim, *cough* Rigol), Standard Decoding Included in a sexy box (something like the Rhode & Schwartz RTB series or the Tek 5 series) for drumroll.... $1,700! without having to pay to unlock the MSO portion or have to buy any extra probes or hardware. Basically I want an all inclusive Siglent 1104x-e with a nice touchscreen and not having to buy everything as an option upgrade. Something like that would be a smash hit with small business, education market, serious hobbyists, and engineers without steep requirements.  Just sucks that nobody can take a $700 scope and add a quality touchscreen for $1,000 more!!! I know this will never happen because it will cut into manufacturers high-profit scopes with big price tags.

One thing I have wanted in a scope is a selectable color palette. It appears Tek was listening when they got feedback for the 4 series. Hopefully this catches on with other scopes... more specifically in a scope I can afford 

[Mr Nutts]

One thing I have wanted in a scope is a selectable color palette. It appears Tek was listening when they got feedback for the 4 series. Hopefully this catches on with other scopes... more specifically in a scope I can afford 

My Lecroy LT 574 has selectable colors for UI elements and waveform traces, and I think the bigger Wavepro 900 has, too. And both scope models are over 15 years old

I think later Lecroys have selectable colors, too.

Is that really such a rare feature? 

[EEVblog]

.... and designed from the feedback of interviewing 100 scope users.

They only asked 100 people? If that number is accurate, this will be fun to watch.

I think it's hundreds:

Doesn't matter how many, it's how you ask the question and what you do with the results that matters.
Just because a majority want some feature doesn't necessarily mean it's a good idea to implement.

[EEVblog]

One thing I have wanted in a scope is a selectable color palette. It appears Tek was listening when they got feedback for the 4 series. Hopefully this catches on with other scopes... more specifically in a scope I can afford 

I'd rather have the colours match the colour ring on the probe tip.

[EEVblog]

4 series for a release on the 4th, it seems like they are taking a note out of the computer marketing handbook.

Except they don't realise they are selling to engineers who don't give a toss about such things.

The engineers do not but the person who authorizes the purchase does.

Sure, but the engineer chooses the model they want and then begs, that's how it work.
Get knocked back?, choose another model and beg again.
The engineer usually does the choosing.

[EEVblog]

Series 4 vs Series 5 back.
I could 30 vents for the 4 vs 37 for the 5 series. So assumign they are the same width, the 4 series is going to be somewhat smaller than the 5 series, which is a good thing, the 5 series is enormous for an everyday use scope. Hence they used "everyday use" in the marketing. I think some of the feedback was that the 5 series was too big for everyday bench use.

[EEVblog]

And looks to be not as deep.

[EEVblog]

44% off all 2000 series in Japan:

[EEVblog]

[EEVblog]

And we have a price: $3,850
https://info.tek.com/www-new-gen-scope-june4-contest.html

Now whether that is base price, or optioned up we don't know 

[maginnovision]

No way it's optioned up much if at all for 3850. It's still a Tek.

[EEVblog]

No way it's optioned up much if at all for 3850. It's still a Tek.

The MSO54 starts at $13k, so I wouldn't be surprised if the Series 4 (MSO44?) starts at $3850, that would make sense from a market positioning point of view.
My guess would be double that price again for the 8CH job, and more for the bandwidth options of course.
The 5 series starts at 350MHz and goes to 2GHz.
I'm guessing the 4 series will start at maybe 100 or 200MHz and stop at 1GHz.

[EEVblog]

And you have to assume they will continue with the new FlexChannel system?

[0culus]

Here's a question: I don't know what Tek's fastest scope offering is these days, but we have Keysight and LeCroy offering 100 GHz+ 'scopes now (for huge prices too). When is an "only" 1 GHz DSO/MSO, that's got a decent complement of options and is actually worth buying, going to be affordable for mere mortals without requiring a second mortgage? Surely the engineering for a 1 GHz DSO is a solved problem that could be easily spun up in lower cost models now.

I'm not saying it should be a cheap as the usual Chinese OEMs, but I'd pay 3-5k for a 1 GHz digital scope from Tek/Keysight/whatever that's got a decent set of options included in that price. Otherwise, I'm perfectly happy buying older gear.

[TERRA Operative]

44% off all 2000 series in Japan:

I found one store that has them for 20% off on a cursory glance.

http://www.keisokuki-land.co.jp/index.php?main_page=page&id=230

As is sometimes the way in Japan, it's likely that a number of sellers will offer a token discount and pocket the difference....