RIGOL DS1102Z-E

[gret151]

Hey, I'm new here but just wanted to check if anyone else has encountered these RIGOL (maybe) scopes that have the product number DS1102Z-E

They're implied to be part of the 1000-Z series like the popular DS1054Z. I only saw them today and were all in either sites like aliexpress or banggood. I did find a (supposedly) Chinese RIGOL site where the product is featured and also found a Chinese shopping site where the Oscilloscope is sold and even has reviews.

It's supposedly a 100MHz, 2-channel scope, a sort-of successor to the DS1102E.

Obviously, I went into this more than a little skeptical but I wanted to ask if any of you that have more experience with these can verify if these are a real RIGOL product that is specific to China or is a very elaborate way of fake oscilloscopes. The site looks quite real but I could be wrong. There are legitimate RIGOL products there too. If this is real, it's quite competitively priced (even cheaper than the DS1054Z).

The Chinese Rigol Site (?): https://www.rigol.com/news/news/48.html
The Shopping site: https://item.m.jd.com/product/100011860852.html?pc_source=pc_productDetail_100011860852
AlieExpress: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/10000216624210.html?aff_platform=aaf&sk=AYNZbMb&aff_trace_key=104f80654a454cdea8720cb0fa55a40a-1589370486926-06086-AYNZbMb&dp=haj.camillesonthehill.co&terminal_id=9f29c431489747b397f78e4791920d19&tmLog=new_Detail&aff_request_id=104f80654a454cdea8720cb0fa55a40a-1589370486926-06086-AYNZbMb

[Fungus]

I'd guess it's an unhacked version of this:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-ds1202z-e-entry-level-scope-(200mhz-2-channel)/

[MackWill]

I have received one of these scopes today, first impression heavy enough to not move when pushing buttons. Not a suitable person to offer an insightful review. But here are a few pictures of the unit at a cost of ~240 USD

[maseryoda394]

Hi,

Do you know for sure if it can be hacked to the DS1202? The DS1102 comes with all options and licences unlocked.
Do you maybe have the firmware for the DS1202 ?

I would be very thankful for any information, have a nice day.

[Fungus]

Hi,

Do you know for sure if it can be hacked to the DS1202? The DS1102 comes with all options and licences unlocked.
Do you maybe have the firmware for the DS1202 ?

I would be very thankful for any information, have a nice day.

It doesn't look like it's available outside China yet.

It's 99.9% likely to be hackable but I can't tell you if it's as simple as using Riglol.

Note: If you're not using BNC cables and direct connection to the 'scope then the extra 100Mhz won't be very helpful anyway, it will mostly expose the limitations of non-active oscilloscope probes. Maybe better to use the 100Mhz low-pass filter.

(in exactly the same way that using 1x probes without the 20Mhz low-pass filter is foolish).

Bottom line: For 260 Euros? Get one anyway!

[maseryoda394]

 Thank you for your reply .

I already got it, it comes also with all the options unlocked and 150 MHz probes, and I only paid 215 € not even 250.I just wondered if it's hackable. to be fair 100MHz is more than enough for my current application of measuring DC TO DC converter ripple and eliminating it using the capacitance multiplier as shown in Dave's video.

Thanks again.

[maseryoda394]

It is not available from outside China officially from Rigol.
But many sellers on aliexpress do offer it.

[Fungus]

I already got it, it comes also with all the options unlocked and 150 MHz probes, and I only paid 215 € not even 250.

Wow. That has to make this the new "entry level oscilloscope recommendation" when people ask here.

[Fungus]

Not that options are easy to remove as well. It should work with Riglol if you can find/guess the right letter code for "200Mhz".

[Microdoser]

Got one of these turning up today. Looks a good scope for the price, especially with all the features unlocked.

[Evgeni62]

?

[Microdoser]

It is not available from outside China officially from Rigol.
But many sellers on aliexpress do offer it.

You can find it on Amazon in the UK delivered from Rigol EU

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B089WHC4MK/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[Dlrowdna]

Does it have an encoder problem like 1054z had? Seller said that this problem was solved. Can you select menu options without any problem? If problem still exists what kind of encoder it has? The same type as ds1054z? Half handle type?

[Microdoser]

Does it have an encoder problem like 1054z had? Seller said that this problem was solved. Can you select menu options without any problem? If problem still exists what kind of encoder it has? The same type as ds1054z? Half handle type?

I don't know about the encoder problem that the 1054z had so I can't say whether it is still present. Menu options can be selected easily, although the selection knob is a little sensitive.

Not sure what 'half handle type' means.

[Fungus]

Does it have an encoder problem like 1054z had? Seller said that this problem was solved. Can you select menu options without any problem? If problem still exists what kind of encoder it has? The same type as ds1054z? Half handle type?

I don't know about the encoder problem that the 1054z had so I can't say whether it is still present.

I don't recall any problems with the encoders. Menus have always worked perfectly.

(as well as menus can work with a twisty push knob... but that's another story and doesn't just apply to Rigols).

[S. Petrukhin]

Does it have an encoder problem like 1054z had? Seller said that this problem was solved. Can you select menu options without any problem? If problem still exists what kind of encoder it has? The same type as ds1054z? Half handle type?

I don't know about the encoder problem that the 1054z had so I can't say whether it is still present.

I don't recall any problems with the encoders. Menus have always worked perfectly.

(as well as menus can work with a twisty push knob... but that's another story and doesn't just apply to Rigols).

When I use this scope, I replaced the encoder with a walking one with a tactile sense of turning-steps. It became much more convenient. Encoded bought on Aliexpress, but it's not the SMD had to bend the legs.
https://aliexpress.ru/item/32864516933.html

[Fungus]

(as well as menus can work with a twisty push knob... but that's another story and doesn't just apply to Rigols).

When I use this scope, I replaced the encoder with a walking one with a tactile sense of turning-steps. It became much more convenient. Encoded bought on Aliexpress, but it's not the SMD had to bend the legs.
https://aliexpress.ru/item/32864516933.html

Sure, but that's not just a Rigol problem. People do that to lots of 'scopes.

Another trick is to replace the knob with a bigger one, it gives better control and doesn't break the "warranty void" sticker.

The GW-Instek 'scopes have a separate button to avoid menu mis-selections.

I just bought a 'scope that doesn't do everything through a stupid twisty knob and it's awesome.

[S. Petrukhin]

(as well as menus can work with a twisty push knob... but that's another story and doesn't just apply to Rigols).

When I use this scope, I replaced the encoder with a walking one with a tactile sense of turning-steps. It became much more convenient. Encoded bought on Aliexpress, but it's not the SMD had to bend the legs.
https://aliexpress.ru/item/32864516933.html

Sure, but that's not just a Rigol problem. People do that to lots of 'scopes.

Another trick is to replace the knob with a bigger one, it gives better control and doesn't break the "warranty void" sticker.

The GW-Instek 'scopes have a separate button to avoid menu mis-selections.

I just bought a 'scope that doesn't do everything through a stupid twisty knob and it's awesome.

I also have a different scope now. With a touch screen, this solves the problem - an awkward encoder is almost unnecessary.
Sometimes I connect a wireless mouse.

[Fungus]

I just bought a 'scope that doesn't do everything through a stupid twisty knob and it's awesome.

I also have a different scope now. With a touch screen, this solves the problem - an awkward encoder is almost unnecessary.
Sometimes I connect a wireless mouse.

I'm definitely not going back. People moan about the vertical position response on Rigols (although I never once felt it prevented me from doing my work) but even if they fix that you'll still be using a horrible twisty knob to navigate the menus.

I expect that touch screens will be standard within a couple of years, even in low-end 'scopes.

[Dlrowdna]

I have ordered this one: https://m.aliexpress.com/item/10000056483250.html?spm=a2g0n.orderlist-amp.item.10000056483250&aff_trace_key=c6d3c64b86684866a1233c319847e33b-1604244217899-04313-mr6wR6CC&aff_platform=msite&m_page_id=4051amp-JqCa6HqVGmo1_LoyvHcC5A1604684008339&browser_id=bc08df6557be403a99978184b819c59d&is_c=N
I've got my parcel. This oscilloscope lags. My old friend dso5102p much better in behavior. Not impressed with my purchase.

[S. Petrukhin]

I just bought a 'scope that doesn't do everything through a stupid twisty knob and it's awesome.

I also have a different scope now. With a touch screen, this solves the problem - an awkward encoder is almost unnecessary.
Sometimes I connect a wireless mouse.

I'm definitely not going back. People moan about the vertical position response on Rigols (although I never once felt it prevented me from doing my work) but even if they fix that you'll still be using a horrible twisty knob to navigate the menus.

I expect that touch screens will be standard within a couple of years, even in low-end 'scopes.

Rigol MSO5074 inexpensive model. 

[HHG]

Hi there,

does anyone have a new experiences with DS1102Z-E?
Maybe to unlock 200mhz band?

[caheo]

Hi there,

does anyone have a new experiences with DS1102Z-E?
Maybe to unlock 200mhz band?

I have the same question. Is it worth to buy DS1202Z-E as well?

[Microdoser]

Hi there,

does anyone have a new experiences with DS1102Z-E?
Maybe to unlock 200mhz band?

From what I can see it is a scope already unlocked to 100Mhz.

It is not possible to turn it into a 200Mhz scope.

[Fungus]

Hi there,

does anyone have a new experiences with DS1102Z-E?
Maybe to unlock 200mhz band?

From what I can see it is a scope already unlocked to 100Mhz.

It is not possible to turn it into a 200Mhz scope.

There's a matching 1202X-E model so no reason why the 1102X-E shouldn't be unlockable.

https://shop.rigol.eu/Oscilloscopes/ds1000z-e