NanoVNA Custom Software

[Kean]

 

[joeqsmith]

I released 4.01 which was based on Fred's experience with the serial ports and my attempts to view his exported Touchstone files from QT.   I also noticed that Solver's Touchstone export was still not correct.   I'm a bit surprised Fred didn't call me out or at least point that one out as the order was still reversed for S2P files.   

4.01, 08/28/2023
Remove reorder in S2P export (was missed from  3.17 bug fix)
When importing Touchstone files, remove S21 data that is zero'ed.  Problem with QT software.
Add enable checkbox for the transfer relay rather the using a null port.
Add the transfer relay enable flag to the defaults file. 

[xrunner]

It appears that this software is your best effort at making some kind of a mark in life.

Hey come on - everyone deserves their 15 minutes of fame - even Joe!

 

[bd139]

Thought I'd swoop in here after complaining another thread is giving me bowl cancer...

Here is a clue: The only people that transition from GitHub to DropBox, are people who were misusing GitHub as their own personal cloud storage space and were warned, and then told to leave. Developers of real software don't do that.

I, as an actual professional in that space, would suggest that Github isn't actually where people go to write real software. It's where people go to get hand jobbed for stars, lots of unadulterated forking and occasionally get a face full of NodeJS as a result.  It's a community for the unthinkers and shokushu goukan fans. Some people don't even use git believe it or not. And those people are quite productive still when GitHub is down for the nth time in a week!

You're only bitter because even if Joe's software is shit, which is feasible as I know all mine is, you can't raise a PR against it, fork it and flap all over the remains like a demented pigeon.

But yeah DropBox. Anything but DropBox. Why Joe? WHYYYYY.

Anyway that's enough beer and posting on EEBblog for the year. Farewell again 

Edit: oh also...

You belittle the HAM radio community

It's a well deserved belittling. I say that as a former full license holder here. Just ugh to the whole thing. I took great pride in tearing up the license and shredding the certificate.

The moment I did it, the air of hamness went and it's been floozies non stop since.

[Slide_Lock]

Thought I'd swoop in here after complaining another thread is giving me bowl cancer...

That ^^ quote is priceless, but only if/when you consider the comment bd139 made below:

I, as an actual professional in that space, <snip>

YOU as an actual "professional" in that space (your words) must be quite the professional indeed, all while blissfully unaware that you appear to have nearly zero command of the English language...... That is unless there is a new form of cancer called "bowl" cancer? Of course you could be forgiven if your intention was to proclaim that you have "bowel" cancer..... Either way, that made me laugh a little bit.

Carry on with your beer and floozies Mr. Consummate "professional".

[joeqsmith]

Thought I'd swoop in here after complaining another thread is giving me bowl cancer...

Welcome back.

You're only bitter because even if Joe's software is shit, which is feasible as I know all mine is, you can't raise a PR against it, fork it and flap all over the remains like a demented pigeon.

But yeah DropBox. Anything but DropBox. Why Joe? WHYYYYY.

First, as I have stated many times my software was something I put together for my own personal use.  It must be close to 20 years old now and is still no where near what I would consider a polished product.  That was never my intent.  It's just a tool I use to run my own RF experiments.     
 
Many hams struggled navigating Github.  I was looking for the simplest thing I could find.  Something like Facebook.  It would have been MS, Google or Dropbox.   I block all MS traffic so Onedrive was out.  I played with Dropbox for the first time and thought, surely the hams can handle this...   

You have to realize, enhancing the art is only a question on their test.  Like all the other questions, they are given the answers.  Hams are only required to memorize long enough to pass a test.   That has nothing to do with engineering or problem solving.  It's what you may expect from a parrot.   If the only goal of the FCC is to keep the number of members up to boost sales of equipment,  we have to work to the least common denominator.

Even with simple instructions, there are people that read and acknowledge the requirement of specific files and they still fail. 

I was unable to locate this specific file on NI which is referenced in the dropbox readme: "ni-labview-2020-runtime-engine_20.1.1_offline.iso"
So I assumed ...

I suspect the amount of effort in their posts that followed was far more than what they spent obtaining the required files to run the software.  This is somehow everyone else's fault but their own.   I'm sure others have held their hands and wipped their asses throughout their lives but I have no interest in dealing with the entitled.   Personally I blame the FCC for their "No ham left behind"  agenda.   

Anyway that's enough beer and posting on EEBblog for the year. Farewell again 

Don't make your absence so long next time.  I miss the stories of floozies.  If you get bored of the TEA area, we are always here. 

[bd139]

Thought I'd swoop in here after complaining another thread is giving me bowl cancer...

That ^^ quote is priceless, but only if/when you consider the comment bd139 made below:

I, as an actual professional in that space, <snip>

YOU as an actual "professional" in that space (your words) must be quite the professional indeed, all while blissfully unaware that you appear to have nearly zero command of the English language...... That is unless there is a new form of cancer called "bowl" cancer? Of course you could be forgiven if your intention was to proclaim that you have "bowel" cancer..... Either way, that made me laugh a little bit.

Carry on with your beer and floozies Mr. Consummate "professional".

Dear Slide_Lock,

I would like to profusely exclaim my regret that I mistyped bowel as bowl whilst under the influence of slightly too many cans of Brewdog last night. I did not mean to offend your good self or open myself up for such criticism regarding my professionalism on the matter of software engineering. I truly hope you accept my apology and that you can refocus on the original points I mentioned which were not referred to in your response at all.

Your sincerely and with apologies,

bd139

[bd139]

Even with simple instructions, there are people that read and acknowledge the requirement of specific files and they still fail. 

With respect to this particular point, much as the old phrase goes you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink, you can paraphrase it as you can lead a ham to instructions, but you can't make him read.

Don't make your absence so long next time.  I miss the stories of floozies.  If you get bored of the TEA area, we are always here.

I occasionally read a few threads but my general interest in electronics is low these days. Been too busy with other adventures.

[joeqsmith]

Even with simple instructions, there are people that read and acknowledge the requirement of specific files and they still fail. 

With respect to this particular point, much as the old phrase goes you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink, you can paraphrase it as you can lead a ham to instructions, but you can't make him read.

Or as Dorothy Parker put it,  You can lead a whore to culture but you can not make her think.   Floozies have other qualities...   

[bd139]

Even with simple instructions, there are people that read and acknowledge the requirement of specific files and they still fail. 

With respect to this particular point, much as the old phrase goes you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink, you can paraphrase it as you can lead a ham to instructions, but you can't make him read.

Or as Dorothy Parker put it,  You can lead a whore to culture but you can not make her think.   Floozies have other qualities...

Dunno about that. The proper floozies seem to all have PhDs (physics and psychology so far) 

[Slide_Lock]

First, as I have stated many times my software was something I put together for my own personal use.  It must be close to 20 years old now and is still no where near what I would consider a polished product.  That was never my intent.  It's just a tool I use to run my own RF experiments.

Yet here you are, attemptinig to share it with anyone and everyone who will put up with your drivel, run around, misdirects and belittling.  News flash there Joe, no matter how many times you repeat the lie, it is still a lie. 
 

You have to realize, enhancing the art is only a question on their test.  Like all the other questions, they are given the answers.  Hams are only required to memorize long enough to pass a test.   That has nothing to do with engineering or problem solving.  It's what you may expect from a parrot.   If the only goal of the FCC is to keep the number of members up to boost sales of equipment,  we have to work to the least common denominator.

Even with simple instructions, there are people that read and acknowledge the requirement of specific files and they still fail.

It's obvious to  quite a few people who have PM'd me and thanked me for saying the quiet part outloud (and probably countless others), that you are about a half a bubble off, if not more, because to rational, sane, friendly people "simple instructions" are clear, concise, and have all of the requisite links to the item they are being instructed on how to properly install.

"Simple Instructions" are not individually left like bread crumbs in some old guys 92 page biography, or outdated mismanaged "manual". The laughable part is that your "simple instructions" are really nothing more than pretzle logic. I seriouly doubt you even have a clue how much information is missing, because in every single one of your videos, you wander off topic and into another dimension, not unlike the current brain dead, senior citizen that occupies the White House.

"Simple Instructions" also, generally, do NOT come with caveats. YOUR's on the other hand.....do. I.E. "These instructions are simple, if you have the patience to weed through 92 pages of me telling others how smart I think I am, coupled with a requirement that YOU watch countless unrelated videos, all while I answer your questions, with.....you guessed it...an UNRELATED question".

It might be time to ask the doctor if you are perhaps pre-Alzheimer's. You definitely exhibit some of the symptoms. At least in your ridiculous replies.

I suspect the amount of effort in their posts that followed was far more than what they spent obtaining the required files to run the software.  This is somehow everyone else's fault but their own.   I'm sure others have held their hands and wipped their asses throughout their lives but I have no interest in dealing with the entitled.   Personally I blame the FCC for their "No ham left behind"  agenda.   

One thing is clear. You have a boogieman you can blame your horrendous coding skills on. The Ham radio community. How convenient it must be to lay the blame at the feet of those you fear the most. I have another news flash for you. I know at least a dozen HAM's that can run circles around you in their ability to explain how to get from point A to point B within the electronics world that HAM radio operators typically revolve around. The really neat thing is they do it with style, patience and the gratitude they exhibit to their interested understudies for allowing them to share their knowledge. You on the other hand seem content to blame others for the piss poor effort you put in to making your app useable by all. THe epic part is you disguize your angst, ad-naseum in your mantra: "I made this for me and me only"

[joeqsmith]

Even with simple instructions, there are people that read and acknowledge the requirement of specific files and they still fail. 

With respect to this particular point, much as the old phrase goes you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink, you can paraphrase it as you can lead a ham to instructions, but you can't make him read.

Or as Dorothy Parker put it,  You can lead a whore to culture but you can not make her think.   Floozies have other qualities...

Dunno about that. The proper floozies seem to all have PhDs (physics and psychology so far) 

Did the quality of floozies correlate to shredding the license?   

[bd139]

"I made this for me and me only"

All the OSS contributions I've done over the years are selfishly supporting my own needs. There's nothing wrong with that.

The rest of that comment, based on the nonsensical use of punctuation and upper-case text, compromises your already tenuous position on having a rational argument.

Did the quality of floozies correlate to shredding the license?   

Yes. I have a fringe hypothesis that ham tickets actually emit a field which repels them. This I believe is a self-regulating mechanism built into the planet's ecosystem to try and keep the numbers in control and prevent us diverging into Morlocks and Eloi.

[joeqsmith]

     

[Slide_Lock]

All the OSS contributions I've done over the years are selfishly supporting my own needs. There's nothing wrong with that.

If we were dealing with an OSS "contribution" here, we would not even be having this conversation. Joe has indicated in at least one of his rambling video's, or rather, his replies (in that/those video(s)) to inquiries regarding the release of his code so that others may actually work on making it useable, that he has no intention of releasing it. That sort of kills the "open source" part of "OSS" does it not?

[bd139]

All the OSS contributions I've done over the years are selfishly supporting my own needs. There's nothing wrong with that.

If we were dealing with an OSS "contribution" here, we would not even be having this conversation. Joe has indicated in at least one of his rambling video's, or rather, his replies (in that/those video(s)) to inquiries regarding the release of his code so that others may actually work on making it useable, that he has no intention of releasing it. That sort of kills the "open source" part of "OSS" does it not?

Again missing the point.

We don’t have to do things for altruistic reasons. I didn’t. It was just easier to achieve my selfish gains by stealing a corpus of someone else’s work and adding to it. I only contributed it back hoping that someone else would take it off me. That bit is of course optional.

[Slide_Lock]

Again missing the point.

We don’t have to do things for altruistic reasons. I didn’t. It was just easier to achieve my selfish gains by stealing a corpus of someone else’s work and adding to it. I only contributed it back hoping that someone else would take it off me. That bit is of course optional.

Therein lies the difference between you and Joe. He makes videos for days, creates manuals, then creates an autobiography on eevblog to promote and "share" his "work", all while proclaiming that this is all for him and him alone.

No sir, I think it is you that is missing the point. I get that he called you out of the woodwork to help defend his indefensible position, but you said it best a few posts back when you stated his work was most likely "shit" or whatever pronoun you used to describe him. I'd leave it there.

[bd139]

Again missing the point.

We don’t have to do things for altruistic reasons. I didn’t. It was just easier to achieve my selfish gains by stealing a corpus of someone else’s work and adding to it. I only contributed it back hoping that someone else would take it off me. That bit is of course optional.

Therein lies the difference between you and Joe. He makes videos for days, creates manuals, then creates an autobiography on eevblog to promote and "share" his "work", all while proclaiming that this is all for him and him alone.

No sir, I think it is you that is missing the point. I get that he called you out of the woodwork to help defend his indefensible position, but you said it best a few posts back when you stated his work was most likely "shit" or whatever pronoun you used to describe him. I'd leave it there.

Check my post history. I do the same. Well I deleted my YouTube account so the floozies don’t eventually catch up with the video titled Transgender Transistor Tribulations after I discovered a dual PNP transistor was actually an NPN. I mean that not going to look good on Tinder is it?

Actually the chain of events was someone (not joe) posted the thread elsewhere saying that they though joe was being an ass and I know joe can be a miserable fucker sometimes (I can with the worse of them) so I read it whilst drunk and thought, hey fuck it I feel like chipping in on this one because I’ve got a stinking cold and I’m bored and feel like trolling a little bit. But I honestly have no beef with joe after reading it. I mean I wouldn’t install his software on my VNA or whatever because I give so little a shit about that at the moment. He can do what he likes. But at the same you can’t go moaning about his without sounding like a raging hypocrite when all the VNA firmware out there is shit compared to some nicely finished professional test gear. But that’s what you get at this price and I’m fine with riding a clunky wooden horse because I’m a cheap ass and would rather be spending that money on other stuff.

What you’re doing is coming in and whining about it like some self-entitled zealot that your expectations aren’t being met and after being on the internet since before those bastards from AOL came and ruined it, I’m fed up of seeing this damn thing going round in circles over and over and over again especially with ALL CAPS ….. and OVERZEALOUS!!, punctuation. It’s the same argument I’ve seen a thousand times. Step in shit on purpose then complain about it because your existence needs validation in some way. Then build a fictitious argument about discrimination over some hypothetical membership to a social group. Hint hams are a shit social group. Then attack individual members who have had enough of this shit.

The end game is nothing is solved, you are validated and amble off like a demented pigeon feeling righteous. Coo coo I’m validated. No you’re not. You’re just another boring grey pigeon. Flying vermin.

Anyway I’ve run out of time to write this post as I’m having a shit and writing it on my iPad so I’m going to wipe and use the remaining half an hour of my day to do something productive. Thanks for assisting with the constipation.

[joeqsmith]

I know joe can be a miserable fucker sometimes

Is that a step up from a demented gray pigeon?   

[bd139]

I know joe can be a miserable fucker sometimes

Is that a step up from a demented gray pigeon?   

Most certainly is 

I mean I’d be a miserable fucker if I had a multimeter graveyard. Oh no wait I do have one.

[Kean]

Wow this thread really has taken a turn... but that was quite the hilarious post @bd139

[Slide_Lock]

The end game is nothing is solved <snip>

Anyway I’ve run out of time to write this post as I’m having a shit and writing it on my iPad so I’m going to wipe and use the remaining half an hour of my day to do something productive. Thanks for assisting with the constipation.

Well it appears that your constipation is twofold. One, potentially gastrointestinal, but Two, definitely mental. Hopefully I helped with at least one of them?

Again, I am happy that you felt the need to come rushing to Joe's defense, while he continued to make himself look like an addled old codger, running people around in circles with incorrect guidance on how to decipher his heiroglyphic instruction set. But in reality, what you are doing is generally referred to as "elder abuse". You are perpetuating his mania by validating it with a bit of your own, all while ignoring the points that were made with regards to what Joe seems to enjoy doing in this thread, which is pretend like he is sitting on the Rosetta Stone, and offering up the key to anyone willing to tolerate his dementia long enough for him to extend it.....When and if he feels like you have earned it.

You (and his) odd need to continue bashing HAM radio license holders is curious indeed. Joe gets a pass on this, because as mentioned, he appears to be suffering, (quite a bit acutally), from a sort of God complex. You, on the other hand, are admittedly just here for the entertainment.

If you actually believe that what Joe has offered up here is a clean path to success, for those who wish to investigate the worthiness of his "software", for whatever reason they choose, then please, by all means, defend that position with a solution of your own, for example on how to locate the one file, that appears to be required to arrive at a successful installation: "ni-labview-2020-runtime-engine_20.1.1_offline.iso" . That file does not appear to exist anywhere in NI's website, yet without it, the entirety of his offering is fruitless.

I would have gladly wandered off into the distance, biting my tongue, had he not replied to my post with "those pesky stepper motors, watch the video", which caused me to watch the video again, only to discover that I had already done what he described in the video, report that in a subsequent post, and then be led off in another direction by that reply. THAT is when I realized that this guy has no desire to help anyone succeed, but rather, he takes pleasure in assiting in their failure to get his software up and running.

At that point, it, much like you proclaimed, became sport fucking for me. My only desire now, is to try and flood this thread with as many posts as I see fit, highlighting his dementia, while hopefully making other potentially interested parties aware that they have no hope for success IF they follow his "instructions" because the requisite file(s), required for success, do not exist, at least not publicly.

P.S. Points awarded for the: "I was around before AOL came in and screwed it all up for everyone" quip... That did indeed make me chuckle a little bit. Bravo.

[Veteran68]

If you actually believe that what Joe has offered up here is a clean path to success, for those who wish to investigate the worthiness of his "software", for whatever reason they choose, then please, by all means, defend that position with a solution of your own, for example on how to locate the one file, that appears to be required to arrive at a successful installation: "ni-labview-2020-runtime-engine_20.1.1_offline.iso" . That file does not appear to exist anywhere in NI's website, yet without it, the entirety of his offering is fruitless.

Okay, enough. I've been monitoring the developments in this thread with amusement, as Joe is just the kind of cranky hardass I like (I am an old veteran after all, so fits right in with me). I don't have a VNA so haven't tried to install Joe's software, but I had to give this a try to see what all the drama is about.

So after all of your bloviating about how ni-labview-2020-runtime-engine_20.1.1_offline.iso "does not appear to exist anywhere in NI's website," I figured I'd have to get clever or something to sus it out. Nope, I found it directly on NI's download page and downloaded it, all in probably less than 60 seconds.



I would normally give the link, screenshots, and whatever steps are necessary to go directly to the download, but after your show of crapping on others who contribute their efforts to the community because you can't figure out how to download something, I'll not participate in the spoon feeding either.

Joe is providing you (and this community) with a wealth of information that he doesn't have to. I'm not an RF guy, I follow him mainly for his DMM robustness work, and I've learned a lot from it. He's doing the work for his own use or interests and generously sharing it with the rest of us. He doesn't have patience for people that expect to be spoon fed and can't figure things out for themselves, and I can respect that. He's not pushing his work on anyone, and I'm sure could give less than a f*#$ whether you or anyone else cares for his attitude about it.

[wasedadoc]

I found it too without much effort.

[joeqsmith]

I would normally give the link, screenshots, and whatever steps are necessary to go directly to the download, but after your show of crapping on others who contribute their efforts to the community because you can't figure out how to download something, I'll not participate in the spoon feeding either.

I'm not a fan of working to the least common denominator.  Even if our friend were able to locate the proper files and install them, the following quote alone suggests they they lack the technical skills to make use of it and your time documenting it for them would be wasted.   

....because you created umpteen filters, air-gaps or whatever other insignificant widget you imagined, ...

Consider there may be engineers in the making following along.  That's a group I am willing to invest time in.  It only took a few minutes to go from a Google search to having the files.