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Offline mrpackethead

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Re: O-M-G cheap pick and place machines coming!
« Reply #250 on: September 15, 2015, 09:26:04 am »
I have a large batch of boards arriving in the next week, and I tuned up some of my tools in anticipation. Then I came across this thread, and have been blown away at discovering the "manual PnP machine."

I have a manual PnP machine and for single - five peice jobs which seems to be often around here, its just awesome. The time taken to set up can often be just a few minutes which you'll just never do with a auto machine.

I was really lucky to pick mine up on Ebay for a very cheap price ( $800USD ), they are around $7000 new.. But much of it could we be borrowed.  what is particually good is the pick up mechanicsm
Dima FP600  ( http://www.nordsondima.com/smt-systems/products/pick-place-systems/fineplacer-fp-600 )
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Re: O-M-G cheap pick and place machines coming!
« Reply #251 on: September 15, 2015, 11:01:50 am »
Well, I have to agree on the Dima. I think the component holder is brilliant. I was thinking of all the features of any of these manual PnP machines, the rotating component tray is perhaps the most beneficial for the effort involved to a DIYer. Perhaps something like that could be made to attach to the base of a stereomicroscope, where the end of one or two compartments of the tray could be placed on the edge of the FOV. It would be fixed to just above board level, so that the board can be slid around underneath. Obviously, to be used on lower magnification to maintain focus on board and parts.

But the homebrew machines posted on this thread seem to have beelined in on what works for machines, rather than for people. It seems to me that instead of moving your hand around (and just your right hand, leaving your left hand to have no part other than playing the brakes) is rather backwards. It seems like you would want your right hand anchored in the same place and to just move the board (+- the parts holder) around under the hand. To this end, you could just have a floating rest to keep your hand above the level of a board. (I actually use something like this; a simple board with feet high enough to float above typical SMD components, and long enough to allow a largish board or small panel to be maneuvered around underneath, with a small tray for components on it, just on the edge of my FOV.) This way, my view through the scope doesn't change, my hand doesn't move, and my reach to the board doesn't vary. My left hand just moves the board to position, between components.

Your hands are highly skilled and dexterous instruments. They just need to be dialed down a little. Your left hand can easily maneuver the board to fairly good accuracy, just the way you were born. This leads into my critique of the fixed Z axis. Unlike a stepper motor, your hand is capable of a complete range of motion with a high degree of responsiveness and accuracy. Fixing the Z axis just gimps the hand and forces you to make fine XY adjustment with your ARM? Nooo... All your hand needs is a little gear reduction or vibration dampening to place chips with perfect accuracy. The basic pickup tool is simply a bit crude and inaccurate for what it needs to be. I have a 1 minute fix for this, and all it takes is a coat hanger and some tape. Will post a pic tomorrow. Getting late.





 
 

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Re: O-M-G cheap pick and place machines coming!
« Reply #252 on: September 16, 2015, 07:38:08 pm »
VisionBot software UI looks horrible.   :palm:

Take a look at our UI let us know your thoughts. We just finished getting the CV working really reliably. Our thought process was first make it work then make it fast. Now we are working hard to get the speed up above 1000CPH (not a stopping point just our next goal). We want to be at that point before we go to the World Maker Faire in New York City. This faire is only 10 days away and we are getting very close. We are laser cutting the last part we need for our new pick head today. Should have new videos up soon! Let us know what you all think!  ^-^

https://youtu.be/Ny99KzsySHE
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Re: O-M-G cheap pick and place machines coming!
« Reply #253 on: September 17, 2015, 02:31:45 pm »
Take a look at our UI let us know your thoughts. We just finished getting the CV working really reliably. Our thought process was first make it work then make it fast. Now we are working hard to get the speed up above 1000CPH (not a stopping point just our next goal). We want to be at that point before we go to the World Maker Faire in New York City. This faire is only 10 days away and we are getting very close. We are laser cutting the last part we need for our new pick head today. Should have new videos up soon! Let us know what you all think!  ^-^
It's much better, but few notes:
- Please don't use full colored icons. Try to use only 2-3 colors and their tint.
- Icons should be the same size but ensure that also picture inside should be fit to icon size with same margin 1 - 3px.
- Next is only my feeling that used font is not very suitable for this type of application
- If is possible try to use one word label on buttons an use the ToolTip for explanations
- Use group boxes for areas like Cameras, Communications ...  size of this labels isn't necessary to be big as is.
- Please read some of UI design rules manuals for next improvement
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ff728831%28v=vs.85%29.aspx?f=255&MSPPError=-2147217396
http://www.tutorialspoint.com/software_engineering/software_user_interface_design.htm
http://bokardo.com/principles-of-user-interface-design/

Overall it's good piece of software  :-+


 

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Re: O-M-G cheap pick and place machines coming!
« Reply #254 on: September 17, 2015, 06:23:17 pm »
Overall it's good piece of software  :-+

Thanks! Great feedback we hope we can make the UI better and learn some more from the links provided.  :-+
 

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Re: O-M-G cheap pick and place machines coming!
« Reply #255 on: September 17, 2015, 09:05:03 pm »
btw does the laggy blurry picture from those chinese cameras bother your CV code in any way?
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Re: O-M-G cheap pick and place machines coming!
« Reply #256 on: September 18, 2015, 11:54:54 am »
btw does the laggy blurry picture from those chinese cameras bother your CV code in any way?

No, we throw away some frames, so we can look at a good picture.
 


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