Working From Home - Impacts of Coronavirus

[VK3DRB]

You can't fix stupid. Unfortunately a mask only works for to catching outgoing particles. A while ago someone posted numbers saying that a mask catches over 90% of the outgoing particles but only catches 50% of the incoming...

Panademic makes some shocking barrier protection devices with a high level of silly doping with little resistance.

[edavid]

There are several downsides of using masks too; the general public may become too relaxed about keeping distance and getting together. Usually you wear a mask to protect against incoming 'threats' but in this case it is the other way around. It is easy for people to get fooled into a false sense of security.

Around here, I see people who wear masks being more cautious, not less... it's a constant reminder of the need to keep away from other people.  (Then there's the fact that the non-mask wearers are idiots.)

[Ed.Kloonk]

This guy seems convinced, and has supporting data.



Moderator note: it is assumed that this is posted tongue in cheek as this is yet another sudo science juncky that YouTube seem to have trouble banning.

[Zero999]

There are several downsides of using masks too; the general public may become too relaxed about keeping distance and getting together. Usually you wear a mask to protect against incoming 'threats' but in this case it is the other way around. It is easy for people to get fooled into a false sense of security.

Around here, I see people who wear masks being more cautious, not less... it's a constant reminder of the need to keep away from other people.  (Then there's the fact that the non-mask wearers are idiots.)

On the other hand, it could be argued that those who are more likely to wear masks will be those who are more cautious.

I can see your point though. I probably would remember social distancing more, if people wore masks, although I might become desensitised after awhile. It's not always easy to predict, even ones own behaviour.

[Simon]

If I wear a mask people keep away from me, which is what i want! I expect the effect will wear off though.

[bd139]

Just upgrade your mask and it’s sorted

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07GS7KC77/

[maginnovision]

However if I see that as many people are absolute non mask as there are BLM people I'd start to consider it could even be as high as .1% of the country

Seems to be 59% (although that's deffos - only 14% say never and the rest are... who knows):

A Detailed Map of Who Is Wearing Masks in the U.S.

The map shows broad regional patterns: Mask use is high in the Northeast and the West, and lower in the Plains and parts of the South. But it also shows many fine-grained local differences. Masks are widely worn in the District of Columbia, but there are sections of the suburbs in both Maryland and Virginia where norms seem to be different. In St. Louis and its western suburbs, mask use seems to be high. But across the Missouri River, it falls.

But research from a team that includes Shana Gadarian, an associate professor of political science at Syracuse University, has found that your political party is a better predictor of mask use than any other factor they measured. Her team compared people of the same age and living in the same ZIP code, and found partisan differences in mask behavior.

So you're quoting this on some lousy polls? You realize those aren't going to be accurate, don't you? The question also had nothing to do with whether they would, only if they did(you don't have to in some areas and if you don't have to I wouldn't be surprised you didn't). That doesn't mean you're ANTI mask. Only certain people even take part in these polls(I'm one of them). I think one telling issue is a lack of links to the actual data. YouGov usually releases results I can't say that's true of dynata though. YouGov said it was 1507 people that responded in a country of 330M and these results are pretty typical of polling(Don't forget Hillary Clinton also polled very well). One bit of data said they counted people at a grocery store in Wisconsin(oddly enough what I'd consider the most reliable data, even if terribly localized)... If you're going to trust these numbers I couldn't possibly reason with you. Some areas you'll find people aren't worried at all because it's not even affecting their area. You can argue those types of people should wear a mask when going out but I definitely wouldn't be surprised if they didn't. The best I think you could do is looking at individual areas since they'll be more regular with their standards. Polling without any regularities in local rules, laws, and actual covid impact is silly when your sample size is ridiculously low.

For masks... Even some of my family members(JPL engineers included) think their paper masks are going to protect them. It's difficult to convince them otherwise.

Just upgrade your mask and it’s sorted

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07GS7KC77/

My Dad had worn a proper full face gas mask with cartridge filters(uses it for work) and the security at the post office stopped to question him. Before they told him he wasn't allowed there without a mask. At the time he needed to post something but only had the one mask. Trying times...

[nctnico]

My Dad had worn a proper full face gas mask with cartridge filters(uses it for work) and the security at the post office stopped to question him. Before they told him he wasn't allowed there without a mask. At the time he needed to post something but only had the one mask. Trying times...

And likely that mask has a vent to let air out while bypassing the filters 

[themadhippy]

Just upgrade your mask and it’s sorted

but expect a visit from the police,even though no laws are being broken
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-52456180

[bd139]

I’d probably ask them to leave. Wouldn’t be the first time.

[maginnovision]

My Dad had worn a proper full face gas mask with cartridge filters(uses it for work) and the security at the post office stopped to question him. Before they told him he wasn't allowed there without a mask. At the time he needed to post something but only had the one mask. Trying times...

And likely that mask has a vent to let air out while bypassing the filters 

It has a particulate filter for the exhaust. If I lived near him I'd get the number for you but it's a 4 hour ride there and back.

EDIT:
I know this will make some of you happy:

https://nypost.com/2020/07/19/kentucky-couple-who-wont-self-quarantine-put-under-house-arrest/

House arrest and ankle bracelets for not signing self-quarantine order.

[nctnico]

My Dad had worn a proper full face gas mask with cartridge filters(uses it for work) and the security at the post office stopped to question him. Before they told him he wasn't allowed there without a mask. At the time he needed to post something but only had the one mask. Trying times...

And likely that mask has a vent to let air out while bypassing the filters 

It has a particulate filter for the exhaust.

That is better than expected!

[SilverSolder]

[PlainName]

Why didn't they just shoot it?

[Simon]

Just upgrade your mask and it’s sorted

but expect a visit from the police,even though no laws are being broken
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-52456180

It's worse round here, a pretty Estonian girl is knocking on doors trying to sell tutoring services for children and the local forum (nextdoor.co.uk) is going wild with accusations of it's illegal to door knock, why isn't she wearing a mask (unlike the thousands of delivery drivers that don't), be careful, they (they group she is part of doing this) have been to america and so on, just because she is no british.

[coppice]

It's worse round here, a pretty Estonian girl is knocking on doors trying to sell tutoring services for children and the local forum (nextdoor.co.uk) is going wild with accusations of it's illegal to door knock, why isn't she wearing a mask (unlike the thousands of delivery drivers that don't), be careful, they (they group she is part of doing this) have been to america and so on, just because she is no british.

The delivery drivers around here don't wear masks, but there is no particular reason they should. They are putting our packages on the doorstep, pressing the door bell, stepping back a few metres and waiting for us to open the door. They aren't getting us to sign for anything. They just don't get near us at all.

[rsjsouza]

Driving or exercising with a mask, especially if N95, is a mistake. I recall seeing quite a few references showing lower oxygen levels on a person with a mask. That and a few lethal accidents where the driver passed out while wearing a mask.

It is summer here and the use of a mask outside is very noticeable. For the delivery drivers and their open trucks (no AC), I think it would be a very dangerous combination.

[GeorgeOfTheJungle]

Driving or exercising with a mask, especially if N95, is a mistake. I recall seeing quite a few references showing lower oxygen levels on a person with a mask. That and a few lethal accidents where the driver passed out while wearing a mask.

Who are you, Nino Vitale?

[Simon]

Driving or exercising with a mask, especially if N95, is a mistake. I recall seeing quite a few references showing lower oxygen levels on a person with a mask. That and a few lethal accidents where the driver passed out while wearing a mask.

It is summer here and the use of a mask outside is very noticeable. For the delivery drivers and their open trucks (no AC), I think it would be a very dangerous combination.

masks do not block the airflow that much and are you seriously saying that a mask that was produced for ones safety and passed the standards is dangerous? grow up! N95 masks are also a waste of time unless your a doctor or otherwise bio-hazard trained. I have a dust mask for working in my loft with twin filters and it does not restrict breathing at all. Workers in hazardous environments like asbestos removal wear these a lot and no one to date has died of it!

[bd139]

It's worse round here, a pretty Estonian girl is knocking on doors trying to sell tutoring services for children and the local forum (nextdoor.co.uk) is going wild with accusations of it's illegal to door knock, why isn't she wearing a mask (unlike the thousands of delivery drivers that don't), be careful, they (they group she is part of doing this) have been to america and so on, just because she is no british.

The delivery drivers around here don't wear masks, but there is no particular reason they should. They are putting our packages on the doorstep, pressing the door bell, stepping back a few metres and waiting for us to open the door. They aren't getting us to sign for anything. They just don't some near us at all.

They do collections too

[coppice]

It's worse round here, a pretty Estonian girl is knocking on doors trying to sell tutoring services for children and the local forum (nextdoor.co.uk) is going wild with accusations of it's illegal to door knock, why isn't she wearing a mask (unlike the thousands of delivery drivers that don't), be careful, they (they group she is part of doing this) have been to america and so on, just because she is no british.

The delivery drivers around here don't wear masks, but there is no particular reason they should. They are putting our packages on the doorstep, pressing the door bell, stepping back a few metres and waiting for us to open the door. They aren't getting us to sign for anything. They just don't some near us at all.

They do collections too

Sure, but they are handling these in a similar way. "Please madame, put the package on the ground. Step back. Do NOT approach the package. We will handle this situation.". Out comes the sterilising spray gun.

[bd139]

They don’t. Neither my Hermes or UPS guys bother with that. Hand it person to person.

[Simon]

It varies and they are under pressure. In my case they stand well back, they are practically turning to leave when I open the door and just want quick confirmation of my name.

[paulca]

Driving or exercising with a mask, especially if N95, is a mistake. I recall seeing quite a few references showing lower oxygen levels on a person with a mask. That and a few lethal accidents where the driver passed out while wearing a mask.

It is summer here and the use of a mask outside is very noticeable. For the delivery drivers and their open trucks (no AC), I think it would be a very dangerous combination.

This has be debunked about 1000 times.

The videos people are putting up to show it depletes oxygen levels are measuring the exhaled air.

If your air goes in at 20% O2 and comes back out at 20% O2 you are... well... dead.

Thus it is perfectly normal for air to go in at 20% O2 and come back out at around 18.5% O2.

Even the concentration of air trapped behind the mask rising in CO2 concentration and dropping in O2 concentration is a bit dumb to consider.  You breath well over a litre of air each breath, the handful of cm3 of air behind the mask will not cause any issues.

Go and watch the dozens of videos of doctors, nurses and fitness specialists testing this with Blood O2 saturation meters on people, themselves and on athelites on tread mills wearing masks.

[Simon]

for 30 quid you can buy an oximeter that is put on your finger, prove it for yourself if you have to