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Mesmerising
« on: February 06, 2014, 03:48:16 am »
Everyone's probably seen this video since it went viral, but in case you haven't here it is:



I just can't get bored with it.

It's where physics blows your mind.
 

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Re: Mesmerising
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2014, 04:01:48 am »
Curious if this is done in zero gravity, will the magnet stay floated in the middle of the tube ?

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Re: Mesmerising
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2014, 04:02:56 am »
Curious if this is done in zero gravity, will the magnet stay floated in the middle of the tube ?

I suspect it would probably be somewhat well coupled to the tube.
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Re: Mesmerising
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2014, 04:03:37 am »
Curious if this is done in zero gravity, will the magnet stay floated in the middle of the tube ?

There is no force on the magnet if it isn't moving. So a stationary magnet will behave like a stationary non-magnet.
 

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Re: Mesmerising
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2014, 04:05:20 am »
Another type of magnet attraction that is mind blowing as well, levitron, tons of it in youtube, this one from nurdrage.


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Re: Mesmerising
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2014, 05:15:23 am »
Curious if this is done in zero gravity, will the magnet stay floated in the middle of the tube ?

I'd like to see elevators using this phenomenon. Or accelerometer readings from on the magnet as it falls.
 

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Re: Mesmerising
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2014, 05:48:12 am »
Curious if this is done in zero gravity, will the magnet stay floated in the middle of the tube ?

It would behave like anything else, it would appear to have an unnatural longitudinal inertia than normal though
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Re: Mesmerising
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2014, 07:31:14 am »
It's funny that he spins the magnet, because although it looks fun, it doesn't actually do anything (well, the square magnet should have an octupole moment, but that will be very small).  A tight fitting magnet is much more impressive; one nearly the ID of the pipe would sink at inches per second!

I've had the opportunity to play with NdFeB magnets over 999 fine silver bars; they slide so slowly, they actually tumble when the surface is at a steep enough angle (past 70 degrees or so).

Thickness is as important as conductivity; a thick aluminum bar is almost as slow as an average copper bar.  Having both (like the silver bar) is really cool.

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Re: Mesmerising
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2014, 12:12:43 am »
It's funny that he spins the magnet, because although it looks fun, it doesn't actually do anything
I wondered about that - I wonder if  it may improve stability or help maintain the vertical orientation
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Re: Mesmerising
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2014, 01:30:13 am »
Quantum locking:

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Re: Mesmerising
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2014, 01:35:07 am »
Quantum locking:

Damn ... I could spend hours playing with that thing.  :palm:

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Re: Mesmerising
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2014, 01:46:40 am »
Just knew this thing does double levitation.  :o
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Re: Mesmerising
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2014, 02:30:15 am »
It's a neat demonstration, by the way, of the AC losses of superconductors.  They may be zero ohms DC, but as soon as it starts changing, losses appear.  In the high frequency limit, it's also noteworthy that superconductors don't change visible appearance, i.e., there's no effect in the 100THz+ band.

Type I superconductors don't trap flux tubes, but they do still exhibit kind of strange losses.  The best resonators are niobium reosnators for particle accelerators, with operating frequencies of 100MHz to a few GHz and Qs in the 2 x 10^8 range (IIRC..?).  In other words, they actually take human timescales for the resonance to dissipate.  The surface finish is very important, but apparently more of a matte finish is better than a perfectly polished surface, or something like that.  Subtle physical things that aren't well understood.

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Re: Mesmerising
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Re: Mesmerising
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2014, 03:19:33 am »
Quantum locking:


Never understood why they use the word quantum for that. Yes, it is "quantum" in that it is locking a quantity of molecules in one place relative to a magnetic field, but it's not quantum in the way that they want it to sound like it is...

Take, for example, the Verizon "quantum speed" ads. Clearly, quantum is just a buzzword here, because it's fairly obvious Verizon isn't using quantum entanglement to transmit information.
 

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Re: Mesmerising
« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2014, 03:22:25 am »
... but it's not quantum in the way that they want it to sound like it is...

Take, for example, the Verizon "quantum speed" ads. Clearly, quantum is just a buzzword here, because it's fairly obvious Verizon isn't using quantum entanglement to transmit information.

Cause it sells.  ;)

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Re: Mesmerising
« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2014, 04:05:48 am »
... but it's not quantum in the way that they want it to sound like it is...

Take, for example, the Verizon "quantum speed" ads. Clearly, quantum is just a buzzword here, because it's fairly obvious Verizon isn't using quantum entanglement to transmit information.

Cause it sells.  ;)

Sounds better than flux pinning, I suppose...
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