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Re: Dick Smith is the Greatest Private Equity Heist of All Time
« Reply #125 on: March 11, 2016, 01:40:11 pm »

"I actually work hard and smart for all the money I have. I don't rip off anyone and I certainly don't gamble on the stock exchange."

You aren't gambling at all: you know precisely how badly the deal will turn out to be, you have seen the movie before, you are smart and you have done your home work. By shorting this stock, you are making a sure bet. You are going to make a fortune for yourself and your friends. You will deal the evil anchrogae capitalists social justice they deserve. And you will be the hero that we will sign to for generations to come. You are the robinhood of the 21st century.








Yeah, it is going to be hard to reconcile your seeming conviction in how badly the stock will perform and your own lack of conviction in your conviction.

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« Reply #126 on: March 11, 2016, 06:26:50 pm »
Yeah, it is going to be hard to reconcile your seeming conviction in how badly the stock will perform and your own lack of conviction in your conviction.

If you don't believe your own words why do you expect anyone else to take you seriously?

To summarize, all VK3DRB was saying as "It won't end happy, and am not one to profit from the misfortune of others", vs you say "go on, put your money on an unhappy ending or you are just talking sh@t".  :)

I know which one I take seriously...

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Re: Dick Smith is the Greatest Private Equity Heist of All Time
« Reply #127 on: March 13, 2016, 12:18:56 pm »
http://www.itnews.com.au/news/dick-smith-receiver-puts-customer-databases-up-for-sale-416422
Dick Smith receiver puts customer databases up for sale

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NZ lobby group Consumer advised its members to unsubscribe from any Dick Smith email lists if they wanted their details removed before the database sale.

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According to Dick Smith’s Australian privacy policy, the company collected information spanning the name, address, contact details, age, gender and signature of its customers. It also stored details about proof of ID such as driver’s licence, passport numbers, and customer’s social media identities.

Scum, absolute scum.
 

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Re: Dick Smith is the Greatest Private Equity Heist of All Time
« Reply #128 on: March 13, 2016, 12:26:58 pm »
"Scum, absolute scum."

The receiver did the right thing: his mandate is to maximize for all debters. That means selling anything that has value, including the list.

That's just the high price you pay for a small discount.
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Re: Dick Smith is the Greatest Private Equity Heist of All Time
« Reply #129 on: March 14, 2016, 05:46:11 pm »
Kogan has bought all the Dick Smith intellectual property for an undisclosed sum.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/retail/dick-smith-brand-to-be-resurrected-by-ruslan-kogan-20160314-gnibrn.html
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Re: Dick Smith is the Greatest Private Equity Heist of All Time
« Reply #130 on: March 15, 2016, 01:37:38 am »
Just got an email from them saying they being sold off ot kogan. I can opt out of having my personal details sold across.

kogan.com, australia's largest online retail website, intends to continue the legacy of dick smith brand and run the dick smith business as an online-only consumer electronics retailer.
 

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Re: Dick Smith is the Greatest Private Equity Heist of All Time
« Reply #131 on: March 15, 2016, 01:51:36 am »
Kogan sold me a phone, took my money online, issued a receipt and then refused to send me the phone, saying "he sold it too cheap". It took me a month to get my money back. He violated the sales contract. Kogan also sold me a "new" phone down the track that was full of crapware from a foreign telephone company. He would not give me my money back. The only to bypass it was to root the phone.

I will never walk into a Dick Smith store if Ruslan Kogan has anything to do with it.
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Re: Dick Smith is the Greatest Private Equity Heist of All Time
« Reply #132 on: March 15, 2016, 09:44:55 am »
I will never walk into a Dick Smith store if Ruslan Kogan has anything to do with it.
Nobody will because they bought the domain name and trademarks for a new online only business using the Dick Smith name.
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Re: Dick Smith is the Greatest Private Equity Heist of All Time
« Reply #133 on: March 16, 2016, 11:15:52 am »
Of mainly historical interest is this list of DSE trademarks registered http://www.ipaustralia.com.au/applicant/dick-smith-electronics-pty-limited/trademarks/

Some have pictures. Eg the Wizz looks a lot like 'Little Dick'.  http://www.ipaustralia.com.au/applicant/dick-smith-electronics-pty-limited/trademarks/418434/
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Re: Dick Smith is the Greatest Private Equity Heist of All Time
« Reply #134 on: March 27, 2016, 11:03:48 pm »
Dick Smith:      Receivership Customer FAQ

https://media1.dicksmith.com.au/media/wysiwyg/banner/Customer_FAQ_-_040316_5752064_1.pdf?_ga=1.34190887.769642960.1459118894

Does anyone know the actual closing date? It doesn't seem to be mentioned in that FAQ.
I'm curious because although the DS site advertises their closing down sale, the prices are not exactly desperation level.
For example, batteries.

Edit 20160505: link to new thread: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/kogan-buys-dick-smith's-online-business/
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Re: Dick Smith is the Greatest Private Equity Heist of All Time
« Reply #135 on: April 03, 2016, 02:57:56 pm »
Well I was all good and ready to nod off just when an add on TV indicated that Dick Smith were having a 35-80% off closing down sale, inspired by the prospect of saving a few bucks on a decent camera I went and compared a few items with other retailers and no surprises here folks, their sales prices aren't all that great not that they ever were to begin with.

Also came across some other information in relation to an ongoing ASIC investigation and the leakage of sales information to competitors, sounds dramatic and probably is but from what I have seen ASIC are a bit of a joke in their own right so don't expect too much to come from their professional oversight skills.

Dick Smith, 35-80% Off What Exactly ?
https://www.dicksmith.com.au/

Receiver Ferrier Hodgson Refers Issues to ASiC
http://www.smh.com.au/business/retail/dick-smith-receiver-ferrier-hodgson-refers-issues-to-asic-20160401-gnvvaf.html

Confidential Sales Information Leaked
http://www.channelnews.com.au/uncategorized/exclusive-harvey-norman-franchisees-given-confidential-dick-smith-sales-numbers-as-asic-probe-collapse/

I'm off to bed, wake me up if they really get to 80% off something thats worth a look in......(yawn emoticon)
 
 

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Re: Dick Smith is the Greatest Private Equity Heist of All Time
« Reply #136 on: April 03, 2016, 04:15:20 pm »
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Confidential Sales Information Leaked

Sounds like the victims here (=law-abiding taxpayers) need to pony up more money to fund another government agency so that they can be better protected by the people who perpetrated the very crime on them.
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Re: Dick Smith is the Greatest Private Equity Heist of All Time
« Reply #137 on: April 03, 2016, 04:49:15 pm »
Well I was all good and ready to nod off just when an add on TV indicated that Dick Smith were having a 35-80% off closing down sale, inspired by the prospect of saving a few bucks on a decent camera I went and compared a few items with other retailers and no surprises here folks, their sales prices aren't all that great not that they ever were to begin with.

Also came across some other information in relation to an ongoing ASIC investigation and the leakage of sales information to competitors, sounds dramatic and probably is but from what I have seen ASIC are a bit of a joke in their own right so don't expect too much to come from their professional oversight skills.

Dick Smith, 35-80% Off What Exactly ?
https://www.dicksmith.com.au/

Receiver Ferrier Hodgson Refers Issues to ASiC
http://www.smh.com.au/business/retail/dick-smith-receiver-ferrier-hodgson-refers-issues-to-asic-20160401-gnvvaf.html

Confidential Sales Information Leaked
http://www.channelnews.com.au/uncategorized/exclusive-harvey-norman-franchisees-given-confidential-dick-smith-sales-numbers-as-asic-probe-collapse/

I'm off to bed, wake me up if they really get to 80% off something thats worth a look in......(yawn emoticon)

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Re: Dick Smith is the Greatest Private Equity Heist of All Time
« Reply #138 on: April 10, 2016, 08:12:11 pm »
A great 1978 ABC TV documentary on Dick Smith. 

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Re: Dick Smith is the Greatest Private Equity Heist of All Time
« Reply #139 on: April 15, 2016, 01:34:57 pm »
The 'Electronic Dick' on the van in that video got a childish snigger out of me.
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Re: Dick Smith is the Greatest Private Equity Heist of All Time
« Reply #140 on: April 17, 2016, 01:20:04 pm »
Australia's Dick finally drops off

Vulture South ventures visits troubled tech retailer Dick Smith on its last trading day

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/04/17/dick_smith_stores_close_forever/
 

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Re: Dick Smith is the Greatest Private Equity Heist of All Time
« Reply #141 on: April 17, 2016, 01:57:45 pm »
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The problem is that we don't actually have 'free market capitalism'. We have privatised profits and socialised losses.

That's very easy to test: put your money at risk, start a business and run it into the ground. And see how much of that loss you can socialize on the rest of the society, :)

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Re: Dick Smith is the Greatest Private Equity Heist of All Time
« Reply #142 on: April 17, 2016, 09:10:43 pm »
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The problem is that we don't actually have 'free market capitalism'. We have privatised profits and socialised losses.

That's very easy to test: put your money at risk, start a business and run it into the ground. And see how much of that loss you can socialize on the rest of the society, :)

At the small business or startup level this is true.  If a small business fails it's the businessman's problem.  Governments typically don't intervene in sectors like retail. 

But if a big agricultural or manufacturing business fails it's the nation's problem.  Governments are scared of them failing (or threatening same if tax concessions aren't given).

Governments have historically provided support for large-scale industry through tariffs, import restrictions, subsidies, local content rules, cheap land, concessional electricity, etc. 

This comes at an opportunity cost and means the rest of us pay more taxes or higher prices. And long term industries, after accepting various concessions, may pull out anyway.

The cynic might argue that some of the more highly subsidised industries are better at lobbying governments than making themselves more efficient.

For instance Australian book publishing which opposed parallel importing rules.  This in turn is being overtaken by electronic publishing (eg Amazon etc) which is also giving their authors a bigger cut.
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Re: Dick Smith is the Greatest Private Equity Heist of All Time
« Reply #143 on: April 17, 2016, 09:25:47 pm »
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But if a big agricultural or manufacturing business fails it's the nation's problem.

So saving such a business is in the interest of the nation, thus a public good.

Doesn't sound like socialization of losses, does it?
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Re: Dick Smith is the Greatest Private Equity Heist of All Time
« Reply #144 on: April 17, 2016, 11:48:36 pm »
(spurred on by various comments on this, and other threads)

Quite a large part of economic theory seems to be nothing but the accepted dogma, and completely useless. When the market doesn't respond as 'it should' a new external actor is introduced into the mix, to explain why the current model is still a fundamental truth, even though it lacks any sort of predictive power. ("The market fell today as investors consolidated their gains", "The markets rallied on the back of the expected announcement from China" and other such meaning less retrospective justification)

Take for example the prices of electricity in NZ, with it's supposedly deregulated market - the 'law' of supply and demand would have if a large proportion of demand goes (for example if the Tiwai Point aluminum smelter closed) then it is the LAW that the price to the rest of the market should get cheaper electricity - over supply, under demand, in what is currently a supply-constrained market. However, we then get told (and I can't find reference for this) that should it close, and stop using it's cheap hydro power then the electricity prices for the rest of the country will rise.

On EEVBlog I see a lot of arguments built on top of economic theory, but for me the foundations of such arguments are often so rotten they don't provide support for much other than hand-waving.

It is almost as bad as psychology:
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/aug/27/study-delivers-bleak-verdict-on-validity-of-psychology-experiment-results



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Re: Dick Smith is the Greatest Private Equity Heist of All Time
« Reply #145 on: April 21, 2016, 12:29:50 pm »
What's the last thing you're going to buy (or bought) from Dick Smith? I got a couple of Panasonic TV wifi dongles for $1.50ea. They don't work with Windows but they're easily the best USB wifi dongles I've used on my Linux PC. I imagine they found them buried out back somewhere. Like the TI-84plus calc I got for $10. The batteries with expiry 2013 had leaked in the packaging.

Last thing was, a few weeks ago, a reel of Digitor 60/40 solder. N2619.  It's even made in Australia.
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Re: Dick Smith is the Greatest Private Equity Heist of All Time
« Reply #146 on: April 24, 2016, 03:02:43 am »
I bought that as well. They had just re listed solder at that point as I herd late last year more electronics tools was going to become available.

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Re: Dick Smith is the Greatest Private Equity Heist of All Time
« Reply #147 on: April 25, 2016, 06:13:00 am »
There is not much left in stores at all according to the manager at our local store whom I just got off the phone with, empty boxes and a few useless gadgets I think was the quote, anyway I missed out on a great deal on the Canon EOS 1200D which were all gone, bugger.

I passed on our gratitude and commiserations to the manager to in turn relay on to other staff members, last day is the third of May apparently and I also pointed him to this thread and perhaps he may be kind enough to chime in and give us an insight and perspective from the other side of the counter.

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http://www.kotaku.com.au/2016/04/dick-smith-is-a-sad-wasteland-of-defeat-and-broken-dreams/

Blood from a stone.
http://www.smh.com.au/business/retail/dick-smith-shareholders-sign-up-for-class-action-20160421-gobtfo.html

   
 

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Re: Dick Smith is the Greatest Private Equity Heist of All Time
« Reply #148 on: April 28, 2016, 09:09:17 am »
There is not much left in stores at all according to the manager at our local store whom I just got off the phone with, empty boxes and a few useless gadgets I think was the quote, anyway I missed out on a great deal on the Canon EOS 1200D which were all gone, bugger.

Dick Smith might be a laughing stock because people are laughing at his stock :-DD

http://www.theage.com.au/business/retail/dick-smith-closing-down-sale-the-strangest-saddest-stuff-thats-left-20160428-gogye1.html

The only people really laughing are Anchorage Capital - all the way to the bank. Did Anchorage Capital pay some money in goodwill or entitlements to the Dick Smith employees? Somehow I doubt it very much.

Sorry Dick, it doesn't work.
RIP Dick Smith.
 
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Re: Dick Smith is the Greatest Private Equity Heist of All Time
« Reply #149 on: August 07, 2016, 07:49:49 pm »
(spurred on by various comments on this, and other threads)

Quite a large part of economic theory seems to be nothing but the accepted dogma, and completely useless. When the market doesn't respond as 'it should' a new external actor is introduced into the mix, to explain why the current model is still a fundamental truth, even though it lacks any sort of predictive power. ("The market fell today as investors consolidated their gains", "The markets rallied on the back of the expected announcement from China" and other such meaning less retrospective justification)

Take for example the prices of electricity in NZ, with it's supposedly deregulated market - the 'law' of supply and demand would have if a large proportion of demand goes (for example if the Tiwai Point aluminum smelter closed) then it is the LAW that the price to the rest of the market should get cheaper electricity - over supply, under demand, in what is currently a supply-constrained market. However, we then get told (and I can't find reference for this) that should it close, and stop using it's cheap hydro power then the electricity prices for the rest of the country will rise.

On EEVBlog I see a lot of arguments built on top of economic theory, but for me the foundations of such arguments are often so rotten they don't provide support for much other than hand-waving.

It is almost as bad as psychology:
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/aug/27/study-delivers-bleak-verdict-on-validity-of-psychology-experiment-results

Of course the price of electricity will rise.  First, it isn't free enterprise, it is normally a public utility with any number of regulations - such as keeping the system working.

Take the example of solar power in California.  Our utility rate has 4 price tiers; the more you use the more it costs incrementally.  When you apply solar, you reduce the number of kWh you buy at the higher tiers.  The lowest tier is essentially subsidized to provide a basic level of service to the economically challenged.  The higher tiers pay for both incremental demand (buying power from low volume, high cost generators) and system operation.  With solar, the high tier energy is reduced, less money is available for maintenance and, big surprise, there is a price increase for the lowest tier.  Using less costs more.

We had a water conservation program this year.  It was highly successful - for everybody except the system operator who couldn't afford to maintain the infrastructure with the reduced revenue.  So, they raised prices!  Now we get to pay high prices for water we don't use.

As a naive stockholder, I have only one expectation:  The value of my stock increases!  If it doesn't, I'm going to take my marbles and go home.  If I were invested in a PE firm, I would expect them to do whatever is legal to increase the value of my investment.  Buy a firm, chop it up, sell the pieces, I don't care.  People out of work, buildings left empty, I don't care.  I want my investment to increase!  Providing job opportunities (training) is not my job!  It's a matter for the government to deal with.  If my state runs all the businesses out of town, it's on them.  I expect the companies to move to wherever they can make me the most money.  Social welfare is a government program, not mine!

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