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Re: Covid 19 virus
« Reply #1825 on: April 03, 2020, 04:39:22 pm »
Unfortunately independent/citizen journalism means being a crackpot.
 
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Re: Covid 19 virus
« Reply #1826 on: April 03, 2020, 04:40:48 pm »
I am curious how long my posting here is uncensored to be seen.

Oh so we are part of the conspiracy. Humor us clever dick, why would this be a big hoax. Go on, don't just post other people bull, tell us in your infinite wisdom, why?
Then stop the bullying.
The whole story around it is much too serious for that.
End of discussion!

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Re: Covid 19 virus
« Reply #1827 on: April 03, 2020, 04:43:12 pm »
I am curious how long my posting here is uncensored to be seen.

Oh so we are part of the conspiracy. Humor us clever dick, why would this be a big hoax. Go on, don't just post other people bull, tell us in your infinite wisdom, why?
Then stop the bullying.
The whole story around it is much too serious for that.
End of discussion!

You're not being bullied. You say something you know will be contentious, you deliberately bait the moderators, one of them says "prove it." At this point you run off  crying to all and sundry that you're being bullied while simultaneously doing the rhetorical equivalent of trying to take your ball away with you. What are you, three years old?
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Re: Covid 19 virus
« Reply #1828 on: April 03, 2020, 05:04:23 pm »
Been thinking about this for weeks (I am sure I was not alone) and am now reading it in Mass Media. How long before we see immunity certificates? Don't know, maybe 6 weeks in the US. I think that we will see fakes a few minutes later, or maybe well before.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/03/health/immunity-passport-coronavirus-lockdown-intl/index.html
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Re: Covid 19 virus
« Reply #1829 on: April 03, 2020, 05:06:31 pm »
They’re working on it here. Not much point until you have antibody testing in place though. As for fakes I imagine they will be verifiable in some way. Possibly to present with ID.
 

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Re: Covid 19 virus
« Reply #1830 on: April 03, 2020, 05:21:19 pm »
They’re working on it here. Not much point until you have antibody testing in place though. As for fakes I imagine they will be verifiable in some way. Possibly to present with ID.
In Croatia  they have central registry. All that are confirmed cases, and those in self isolation are known. If they catch those in self isolation, they get escorted home and fined... Those with confirmed infection are in quarantine. They verify it in real time...
Travel permits are issued online, directly in registry... So no fakes..
 
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Re: Covid 19 virus
« Reply #1831 on: April 03, 2020, 05:24:00 pm »
They’re working on it here. Not much point until you have antibody testing in place though. As for fakes I imagine they will be verifiable in some way. Possibly to present with ID.

Maybe I am wrong, but I can imagine that some persons would want to be infected in hope of then be "immunized" afterward, and then be free from the lock-down. I can see this spin out of control.

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« Reply #1832 on: April 03, 2020, 05:25:37 pm »
I can imagine that. Their funeral. I think I’ve had it and am recovering still. It’s fucking horrible.
 
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Re: Covid 19 virus
« Reply #1833 on: April 03, 2020, 05:43:40 pm »
They’re working on it here. Not much point until you have antibody testing in place though. As for fakes I imagine they will be verifiable in some way. Possibly to present with ID.
I  gather authorities won't take kindly to any and all attempts at fraud and will bring the full force of the law down on people. Just look at how they treat people who've been deliberately spitting or coughing.
 

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Re: Covid 19 virus
« Reply #1834 on: April 03, 2020, 05:45:57 pm »
Been thinking about this for weeks (I am sure I was not alone) and am now reading it in Mass Media. How long before we see immunity certificates?
Not quite sure I like the idea. My mind quickly wanders to the image of a yellow hexagram you can attach to your jacket.
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Re: Covid 19 virus
« Reply #1835 on: April 03, 2020, 05:46:36 pm »
Something interesting is going on here.

Does anyone recognize this pattern elsewhere? It seems truly odd.

First, just a few days ago, the government proudly informed us that the testing capacity goes up to 3000/day (as a response to the critique that we are not testing enough). Looking at the data supplied by THL (the only official source of numbers as of now), the actual testing went down at the same time, instead, and has kept there. Likely because the official criteria to get tested haven't changed: symptoms need to be serious enough to put you in hospital care to be tested. Totally unsurprisingly, #tests correlates to #positives, so it "seems" the epidemic is now under control because the number of new cases per day has also dropped and stayed there. (See attachment)

(Of course, at the same time, the epidemic is better under control because it seems most of the people have taken this quite seriously and following common sense. This doesn't explain the odd data, though.)

Another weird thing I'm looking at are mortality numbers. From the beginning until a few days ago, both the # of cases and # of deaths were collected from the hospitals by the largest newspaper, Helsingin Sanomat, and published as open dataset (visualized e.g. by https://korona.kans.io/ ). A few days ago, THL, the authority, started collecting and publishing the numbers, so Helsingin Sanomat stopped producing the data due to it becoming "unnecessary". The interesting caveat here is that the THL dataset does not record the deaths at all - so it seems to me, there is no reliable source of data for deaths currently. I hope to be proved wrong.

Oddly, unlike elsewhere in the world, the death rate hasn't followed the number of positive cases as seen approx. two weeks earlier. It has been an interesting step function and remained almost constant 2 deaths/day since 2020-03-25. As an only exception, one day we had zero deaths, and the next day we had four. The cumulative death toll has followed the pattern 1,3,5,7,9,11,13,13,17,19,21 (earlier today), and suddenly went back to 20 as of later today. This data is from the local news sources.

Today one particular local authority reported three supposedly new deaths in an elderly care facility, but since no one is now in response of counting the total, no one knows whether these are included in the earlier numbers (not being new after all) or not.

Not saying it's a conspiracy or coverup, but this pattern just seems so weird I want to hear your input on it. I'm suspecting there is something more to this. Of course, if the shit really hits the fan here like it did in Sweden already, there's no way deaths can be covered up. But a few dozen might go easily unnoticed, especially given the knowingly problematic service quality in elderly care (a subject of a lot of critical political discussion just before the pandemic hit), where deaths due to neglicence have been reported before. (It would be especially interesting to hear Nominal Animal's input on this.)
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Re: Covid 19 virus
« Reply #1836 on: April 03, 2020, 05:50:58 pm »
Today one particular local authority reported three supposedly new deaths in an elderly care facility, but since no one is now in response of counting the total, no one knows whether these are included in the earlier numbers (not being new after all) or not.
The Dutch bureau for statistics is registering a much larger (abnormal) spike in deaths compared to people officially dying from Corona.
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Re: Covid 19 virus
« Reply #1837 on: April 03, 2020, 05:51:12 pm »
Can we agree that if Trump promotes a drug or vaccine as to showing "he did a good job" and "he is fucking great at everything, wait and see"... he tries it on himself first.  ?
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Re: Covid 19 virus
« Reply #1838 on: April 03, 2020, 06:00:09 pm »
Can we agree that if Trump promotes a drug or vaccine as to showing "he did a good job" and "he is fucking great at everything, wait and see"... he tries it on himself first.  ?

Hopefully he can check efficacy of sodium thiopental first.
 
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Re: Covid 19 virus
« Reply #1839 on: April 03, 2020, 06:07:01 pm »
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/us/politics/cia-coronavirus-china.html

Predictive epidemiological models based on data from China are garbage. People’s Republic has been manipulating its Covid-19 statistics.
 

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Re: Covid 19 virus
« Reply #1840 on: April 03, 2020, 06:11:04 pm »
They’re working on it here. Not much point until you have antibody testing in place though. As for fakes I imagine they will be verifiable in some way. Possibly to present with ID.
In Croatia  they have central registry. All that are confirmed cases, and those in self isolation are known. If they catch those in self isolation, they get escorted home and fined... Those with confirmed infection are in quarantine. They verify it in real time...
Travel permits are issued online, directly in registry... So no fakes..

That's worryingly difficult to differentiate from a police state. Understandable at the moment, but it does give one pause for thought.
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« Reply #1841 on: April 03, 2020, 06:25:12 pm »
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/us/politics/cia-coronavirus-china.html

Predictive epidemiological models based on data from China are garbage. People’s Republic has been manipulating its Covid-19 statistics.

Of course the source of this is impeccable. After all, the CIA have never been known to distort the truth or mislead people for their own political ends. Glad we're finally getting data from such an honest, reliable, trustworthy source that has never been implicated in murder, torture, or commercial drug smuggling to illicitly fund a revolution in another country, let alone misinformation campaigns. Glad we've got that straight.

Why would you think I was being sarcastic? A bunch of spies and manipulators are the obvious choice to turn to for epidemiological data. There's no possibility that they might be trying to sew some kind of story that puts a country that they regard as political enemies in a bad light.
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« Reply #1842 on: April 03, 2020, 06:28:31 pm »
 :palm: Indeed. This is just being lined up for a political or international hit job.
 
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« Reply #1843 on: April 03, 2020, 06:30:06 pm »
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/us/politics/cia-coronavirus-china.html

Predictive epidemiological models based on data from China are garbage. People’s Republic has been manipulating its Covid-19 statistics.

Yes yes i vividly remember them in your link showing, ehhhm.., "evidence" of Saddam's weapons of mass destruction.
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Re: Covid 19 virus
« Reply #1844 on: April 03, 2020, 06:38:44 pm »
They’re working on it here. Not much point until you have antibody testing in place though. As for fakes I imagine they will be verifiable in some way. Possibly to present with ID.
In Croatia  they have central registry. All that are confirmed cases, and those in self isolation are known. If they catch those in self isolation, they get escorted home and fined... Those with confirmed infection are in quarantine. They verify it in real time...
Travel permits are issued online, directly in registry... So no fakes..
That's worryingly difficult to differentiate from a police state. Understandable at the moment, but it does give one pause for thought.
UK has WHOLE country covered with 10s of millions of cameras. We are all living in full blown police states that are currently not abusing it on large scale..
 

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« Reply #1845 on: April 03, 2020, 06:41:00 pm »
Yes but being the UK most of them are broken though  :-DD
 
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« Reply #1846 on: April 03, 2020, 06:47:09 pm »
 :-DD :-DD :-DD
Yes but being the UK most of them are broken though  :-DD
Sound like my country !!
 
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Re: Covid 19 virus
« Reply #1847 on: April 03, 2020, 06:47:21 pm »
They’re working on it here. Not much point until you have antibody testing in place though. As for fakes I imagine they will be verifiable in some way. Possibly to present with ID.
In Croatia  they have central registry. All that are confirmed cases, and those in self isolation are known. If they catch those in self isolation, they get escorted home and fined... Those with confirmed infection are in quarantine. They verify it in real time...
Travel permits are issued online, directly in registry... So no fakes..
That's worryingly difficult to differentiate from a police state. Understandable at the moment, but it does give one pause for thought.
UK has WHOLE country covered with 10s of millions of cameras. We are all living in full blown police states that are currently not abusing it on large scale..

That political chip on your shoulder is preventing you from reading my comment as what it was, a neutral statement, into some imagined attack on your state and implicit support for my state, which it wasn't.
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Re: Covid 19 virus
« Reply #1848 on: April 03, 2020, 06:49:50 pm »
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/us/politics/cia-coronavirus-china.html

Predictive epidemiological models based on data from China are garbage. People’s Republic has been manipulating its Covid-19 statistics.

Of course the source of this is impeccable. After all, the CIA have never been known to distort the truth or mislead people for their own political ends. Glad we're finally getting data from such an honest, reliable, trustworthy source that has never been implicated in murder, torture, or commercial drug smuggling to illicitly fund a revolution in another country, let alone misinformation campaigns. Glad we've got that straight.

Why would you think I was being sarcastic? A bunch of spies and manipulators are the obvious choice to turn to for epidemiological data. There's no possibility that they might be trying to sew some kind of story that puts a country that they regard as political enemies in a bad light.
I got it. In your opinion NYT are either not trustworthy or are not able to check facts. Presumably, because you think NYT was implicated in murder and torture...

Who are credible then? Xinhua or Russia Today?
 
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Re: Covid 19 virus
« Reply #1849 on: April 03, 2020, 06:58:34 pm »
A colleague of the wife of a colleague of mine turned to be a confirmed symptom-less case.

How did the symptom-less person come to be tested?   Was this in Shenzhen?
 


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