EEVblog #1146 - New Low Cost Rigol MSO5000 Oscilloscope

[simone.pignatti]

OMG !!! Should I open one now? I will be fired lol

Show us another photo at the end of the month and we'll see how well it sells 
I've heard the 7000 has been a really tough sell

ahahah I almost spit my coffee while reading
someone will be gone, they or me ... better them 

[Fungus]

OMG !!! Should I open one now? I will be fired lol

What versions are they? Low end, high end? Do you unlock them on demand?

[simone.pignatti]

OMG !!! Should I open one now? I will be fired lol

What versions are they? Low end, high end? Do you unlock them on demand?

they are all models in the mix. yes we also took the 2 channels   
just for more info, logic probe and front cover panel are not available yet.

[timgiles]

Whats wrong with a passive heatsink per channel?

If it was placed because its needed - then what negative effect is it going to have?

I would rather than my electronics well cooled than have random lockups.

If the 2ch 70 MHz model can be hacked to a fully optioned 4ch 350 MHz with decoders then it will sell, other then that it's a dog at retail pricing.

It's competitive with competing models at the low end, but absolutely not at the higher end.

Hah, you replied to my post twice now with the same message(more or less).

I dunno, $900 for a 70 MHz 2 ch scope still seems pretty blah to me. The fact that it needs heatsinks on the front end ASIC's is also pretty lame for a newly developed chip.

[nctnico]

OMG !!! Should I open one now? I will be fired lol

Find the one in the picture which should have been delivered to Australia 

[mikeselectricstuff]

With the flexibility of software updates it seems crazy that manufacturers are still shipping physically different boxes.

[ali_asadzadeh]

Dave ask them for free giveaways for this from.

[TK]

Dave ask them for free giveaways for this from.

Dave got the scope from a friend (loan), not Rigol... so I guess no give away this time

[Fungus]

With the flexibility of software updates it seems crazy that manufacturers are still shipping physically different boxes.

Why? It's what customers expect.

(ie. It works right out of the box and has the correct sticker on it)

[Fungus]

I've heard the 7000 has been a really tough sell

It's expensive. People who are used to paying those prices are used to other brands.

The DS1054Z entered a mostly-new market where people don't have so much brand-bias.

[Fungus]

Oh and one more comment on the video... Dave... the MSO5000 has a friggin' touch screen! Use it! Don't use the select knob and buttons at the side of the screen. 

Yep, If Dave wants to do a review it should contain that sort of thing. Use the touch screen, connect up an HDMI monitor, use the remote web interface, etc.

ie. The stuff that would distinguish it from other 'scopes in that price range.

[mikeselectricstuff]

With the flexibility of software updates it seems crazy that manufacturers are still shipping physically different boxes.

Why? It's what customers expect.

(ie. It works right out of the box and has the correct sticker on it)

I doubt many customers would have a big proiblem with that.
Or it could be done by the dealer, instead of having to stock lots of options.

[NivagSwerdna]

https://www.instrumentcenter.se/sv/50-150-mhz-bandbredd/rigol-mso5074-blandsignalsoscilloskop-70-mhz-8-gsas-200-mpts-4-analoga-16-digitala-kanaler-7-instrument-i-1.php

So the Digital breakout is around another 30%

So how does that compare?  If it is hackable to say 100MHz and is then CH4 + 16 digital channels... What is the competition at that level?

[simone.pignatti]

I opened one unit to shoot an unboxing video. It looks really nice, the mat black fits good. Pretty heavy unit.
Booting time is decent, navigation between functions and menu is pretty fast.
No time to test it more since I have to leave the office and travel to Munich for the show, when back will do some more videos also back to back with R&S RTB2000.

[nixfu]

No Hack == No Sale to the hobbyist market.

[simone.pignatti]

No Hack == No Sale to the hobbyist market.

To be fair and without making comparison right now, this is probably not true.
Many RTB2000 and SDS2000X have been sold to private/hobby users.

[nctnico]

With the flexibility of software updates it seems crazy that manufacturers are still shipping physically different boxes.

Why? It's what customers expect.

(ie. It works right out of the box and has the correct sticker on it)

I doubt many customers would have a big proiblem with that.
Or it could be done by the dealer, instead of having to stock lots of options.

In my experience it is a hassle having to install license keys. Small distributors like the ones for B-brands are typically not setup to deal with spreading licenses.

[mikeselectricstuff]

With the flexibility of software updates it seems crazy that manufacturers are still shipping physically different boxes.

Why? It's what customers expect.

(ie. It works right out of the box and has the correct sticker on it)

I doubt many customers would have a big proiblem with that.
Or it could be done by the dealer, instead of having to stock lots of options.

In my experience it is a hassle having to install license keys. Small distributors like the ones for B-brands are typically not setup to deal with spreading licenses.

Even if it means lower cost, as the manufacture & supply chain doesn't need to deal with all the different version ?

[supercilious]

I would wait to see if Rigol commit to fix issues that crop up in the firmware before committing that kind of money, even for the base model. They completely abandoned the 4000 scopes and they left the 2000 series abandoned for ages before eventually patching some stuff. 

Who knows how they'll treat this one. 

[cpuerror]

Rigol isn't interested in the hobby market with this model, they are trying to aim for Keysight's and Tek's throats.. Keyword is trying. The hardware seems very good and the scope functionality has always delivered with Rigol although its too early to tell for sure. What is killing Rigol is the lack of industrial design and pricing. The layout of the 5000, while nowhere near as bad as the hatchet job they did on 7000, still looks like it was just slapped together by an engineer and meant to go to an industrial designer to actually make it look and function well but they decided to go to production. The 7000 and partly the 5000 reek of an incomplete design rushed to production.

The other thing is taking a page of out Tek's play book and charging a small fortune for every little feature. If the 70Mhz and 350Mhz versions are essentially the same hardware, why is the price difference thousands? If Rigol wants to take a good stab at the old giants, they need to fix their design process and then do a massive undercut. Also, drop the loser 70Mhz version for a scope of this class. For the time being, they simply can't compete on a purely product basis while they have some fool choosing 5 different fonts for the front panel and other things that turn off customers.

[ataradov]

Keyword is trying.

Yes, and what would help to recoup some of that R&D money is to sell the same chipset to a lot of people fast -> hobby market

I would definitely upgrade from 1054 provided the hacks  are in place. I wold even accept their stupid industrial design. Without hacks, the value is not there at all. For the price of a well upgraded Rigol scope, there are a lot of options out there that are more attractive.

[iMo]

MSO5074 $999 fully hacked will be the winner in 2019.. They will sell it [Edit: kilo-]tons per day..

[Pinkus]

MSO5074 $999 fully hacked will be the winner in 2019.. They will sell it [Edit: kilo-]tons per day..

If they have to decide between selling 100.000 scopes for $100 profit each or only 5.000 units with $3.000 profit each, guess what they will do.
And then, IF after a year sales is dropping, they can still leak some hacking information to sell another 50.000 units for $100 profit each.

[ataradov]

And then, IF after a year sales is dropping, they can still leak some hacking information to sell another 50.000 units for $100 profit each.

That assumes that competition does nothing. It is good that they think they can play with the big guys, but by all signs they are deeply mistaken. We'll see how it turns out.

I doubt anyone will go back to Rigol once they try R&S.

[TK]

MSO5074 $999 fully hacked will be the winner in 2019.. They will sell it [Edit: kilo-]tons per day..

A better deal would be MSO5072 $909 fully hacked (remember you can enable 4 channels with software license)