Windows 7 vs Windows 10??

[madires]

Latest annoyance: The last monthly update installed the new Edge browser on older windows versions down to Win7. And for de-installing  you need do it in the shell.

[BravoV]

Using LTSC, no stinking Edge here. And Windows Update run freely untouched. 

PS : Just received huge multi giga bytes update yesterday, KB4558998, and still no Edge installed.

[Zucca]

Using LTSC, no stinking Edge here. And Windows Update run freely untouched. 

Did not know about LTSC, I will try it out soon.

[Mr. Scram]

Using LTSC, no stinking Edge here. And Windows Update run freely untouched. 

PS : Just received huge multi giga bytes update yesterday, KB4558998, and still no Edge installed.

LTSC unfortunately isn't the golden ticket either. There's more than a few distinct drawbacks.

[rsjsouza]

Using LTSC, no stinking Edge here. And Windows Update run freely untouched. 

PS : Just received huge multi giga bytes update yesterday, KB4558998, and still no Edge installed.

Uh, on that note... It seems MS is killing that as well
https://gizmodo.com/microsoft-kills-one-of-its-best-windows-10-update-looph-1844180993

[BravoV]

Using LTSC, no stinking Edge here. And Windows Update run freely untouched. 

PS : Just received huge multi giga bytes update yesterday, KB4558998, and still no Edge installed.

LTSC unfortunately isn't the golden ticket either. There's more than a few distinct drawbacks.

Such as ? Mind give example ?

Windows 10 basically is shit, but LTSC is less shittier  among them.

What I like is LTSC Windows Update only install basic necessary stuffs, not all those junks, no pesky Store, no bling2 app/gaming distracting spam, no Edge, no Cortana, all stripped down to earth basic stuff by MS it self.

If you have spare drive/ssd, try the LSTC evaluation for 30 days see for yourself, for me its like night and day, remember to choose LTSC, not Enterprise.

-> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/evaluate-windows-10-enterprise

[rdl]

From what I've read, the -rearm command still works with Windows 10 so you can extend the 30 days trial for another 90. With Windows 7 you can reset the rearm count as many times as you want. I wonder if that still works with Windows 10.

[BravoV]

If you want to disable telemetry completely you need the enterprise edition.

Do not naively trust that.

As long you use W10, face the reality there must be some sort of telemetry, or go complete "air gap" offlined, no internet connection what so ever, but these is hard to live with that especially PC for personal/general use.

Hack, tweak or selective choosing Windows Update ? Nope, how do you know they're not "smuggling in" the telemetry stuff in one of the urgent critical bug fix that happened you choose to apply ? Also, personally I grew old and bored for tweaking OS, just want it to run smoothly without any worry in the future that I may have problem with the tweak I did that I have forgotten, yes, it happened to me since DOS era.

Want complete control ? Switch side.

Currently I am in transitional period, dual boots at 2 drives, I have NVME loaded Windows 10 LTSC and other SSD boot drive with Linux Mint, currently I try spend more time in Linux, almost 40% in Linux vs 60% in Windows 10. Still trying to increase the Linux portion.

[BravoV]

From what I've read, the -rearm command still works with Windows 10 so you can extend the 30 days trial for another 90. With Windows 7 you can reset the rearm count as many times as you want. I wonder if that still works with Windows 10.

My LTSC is legit one, did CPU upgrade, GPU and even freshly re-install the OS, as long your MS account is registered with the current license "AND" you don't change mobo, the license still stick and valid.

[Zucca]

My LTSC is legit one

I wonder if the LTSC I see on Ebay for 18€ will do the trick...

[BravoV]

My LTSC is legit one

I wonder if the LTSC I see on Ebay for 18€ will do the trick...

LOL, looking at the price, I have doubt. 

The most important is the source, the OS ISO must be sourced directly from Microsoft.

[rdl]

Getting the ISO for LTSC from Microsoft doesn't seem to be a problem. Getting a license for it does. I figured I'd have to run it without activating it.

[BravoV]

Getting the ISO for LTSC from Microsoft doesn't seem to be a problem. Getting a license for it does. I figured I'd have to run it without activating it.

Yep, and do not run any crack or patch , as who knows they implanted nasty malware or "timed" ransomware  , or turning your pc into one of their crypto currency miner. 

[rdl]

If the "30 day trial" is implemented the same as Windows 7, no cracks will be needed. I've been running Windows 7 on one computer for 8 years and it's never been activated, just keep rearming/resetting the trial period.

If that doesn't work with the LTSC/Enterprise versions of Win 10 I'll just use the regular Pro version and never activate it. I doubt Microsoft will complain. I don't plan to let it connect to the internet very often, if at all.

[Zucca]

The most important is the source, the OS ISO must be sourced directly from Microsoft.

Is the OS ISO for LTSC different from the other W10 ones? So I can not download it from M$ website?

[BravoV]

The most important is the source, the OS ISO must be sourced directly from Microsoft.

Is the OS ISO for LTSC different from the other W10 ones? So I can not download it from M$ website?

Assuming you are pursuing legit path, just download the evaluation and register/activate it.

Yes, the ISO is different from say retail or common home/desktop W10 version.

[BravoV]

Is the OS ISO for LTSC different from the other W10 ones? So I can not download it from M$ website?

I believe so. I just installed Win10 on my VMWare VM, and once I loaded the ISO downloaded from MSFT, VMWare asked me which version do I want to install, which the list includes Enterprise.

I don't believe you can choose it if you boot directly into the ISO, though, because LTSC is supposed to be auto deployed, and VMWare can do this because it uses auto deployment to automatically install the OS without user invention.

So if you want to install LTSC, you need to edit a file, either you edit the setup manifest to trick Windows Installer to think it is Enterprise or Education, or you use auto deployment tool generator, which has detail information on MSFT website, look for resources for Embedded OS and resources for IT admins.

Nope, my legit LTSC ISO is just exactly like ordinary W10 ISO image. Can be bootable if burnt as DVD (el-torrito) or transferred to USB thumb drive.

No hack/tweak/edit anything at all at the ISO image to install it, exactly like personal version.

[BravoV]

Just fyi, attached below my LTSC at the About and Activation screenshots.

[Zucca]

Assuming you are pursuing legit path, just download the evaluation and register/activate it.

Okay Ebay is fishy for little money. What about here at Newegg?

Wondering if I can buy it and use it where I want in the world....

[Gyro]

Their Windows 2019 Server license looks more attractive!

[madires]

Those are just CALs (Client Access Licenses).

[BravoV]

Assuming you are pursuing legit path, just download the evaluation and register/activate it.

Okay Ebay is fishy for little money. What about here at Newegg?

Wondering if I can buy it and use it where I want in the world....

Dunno, bought mine from local authorized MS distributor, but price wise is similar.

I think the most important thing is, once the OS installation license is activated and registered at it's mothership MS  under your account, for example, when logged in Microsoft's account site (https://account.microsoft.com), it shows so many details, like cpu, memory, GPU, how many drives, size, freespace and volume label and etc. No , I didn't supply it. 

Again, don't like telemetry ? Switch side or live with it.

Example screen at MS account where shows my registered machine.

[b_force]

I don't want to start a Linux versus Windows debate but look at how clean the system settings dialog from Gnome is:

picture not worth quoting

I would love to have a good CONSTRUCTIVE conversation and discussion about it.
Actually, I have tried it many times.
Unfortunately it always ends up in fan boys jibber jabber that don't look any further than their own community. and were a lot of people dish it but can't take it.
Which is extremely ironic when they try to make Linux more popular and yell that it has to be installed on every machine.

[SilverSolder]

The Windows/Linux/Mac discussion gets old real fast...

The truth is, all three are pretty awesome compared to using an abacus! 

[Nominal Animal]

Which is extremely ironic when they try to make Linux more popular and yell that it has to be installed on every machine.

Nope.  Actual Linux users and developers don't want to make Linux more popular or install it on every machine, only the ones we ourselves use.