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Offline tkamiya

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Re: 32GB RAM -- beneficial or just money sinker?
« Reply #75 on: October 20, 2019, 05:19:20 am »
Last time I did that, Windows automatically created a temporary one.  Maybe things has changed.  I haven't messed with it for quite some time, as anything that sort of thing matters, I choose Linux or Unix.
 

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Re: 32GB RAM -- beneficial or just money sinker?
« Reply #76 on: October 20, 2019, 11:29:35 am »
, anyone?
 

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Re: 32GB RAM -- beneficial or just money sinker?
« Reply #77 on: October 20, 2019, 12:46:25 pm »
Last time I did that, Windows automatically created a temporary one.  Maybe things has changed.  I haven't messed with it for quite some time, as anything that sort of thing matters, I choose Linux or Unix.
There shouldn't be a pagefile if you set it correctly. Not now and not 8 years ago.
 

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Re: 32GB RAM -- beneficial or just money sinker?
« Reply #78 on: October 20, 2019, 01:20:24 pm »
, anyone?


Too expensive for the storage size compared with other kind of mediums, not really that fast, compared with PCIe4 NVME drives and with a low scope of uses where the performance difference will be noted (simulations, scientific research, mathematics calculations)

It's innovative yes, the endurance of the memory itself is great compared with the NAND memory, the fast access almost like RAM is great and the amount of IOPS but it doesn't justify the price for most of the common users or even most of the companies.

Data Centers, Scientific Research Departments/Schools/Universities, Medicine Companies, Oil Prospectors and probably Space related companies are where this technology will be really at their best. For the normal consumer the price must come down or the size up a lot.
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Re: 32GB RAM -- beneficial or just money sinker?
« Reply #79 on: October 20, 2019, 01:39:02 pm »
the lovely part is "maybe.. if you must have the best of the best" i like the guy, he is giving "practical" advice instead of some pushers who only like to show appealing stats alas heavy sided. where did i saw someone with signature.. "sphere of influence... linustechtip"? :-\  i tried to find reason if i need to add nvme to my pc (old) system? no i dont find any appealing reason benefit/cost wise, instead it will give me extra work, probably headache to deal with extra drive letter that has no apparent purpose other than as a swap drive. maybe.. if i buy a new motherboard that support booting from nvme, then i'll get nvme and kiss the SATA SSD goodbye.
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Re: 32GB RAM -- beneficial or just money sinker?
« Reply #80 on: October 20, 2019, 01:59:55 pm »
if i buy a new motherboard that support booting from nvme, then i'll get nvme and kiss the SATA SSD goodbye.
You don't really need BIOS support for NVMe boot, you can just put the /boot partition on some other device like a USB drive.
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Re: 32GB RAM -- beneficial or just money sinker?
« Reply #81 on: October 20, 2019, 02:22:45 pm »
btw, i disabled swap/pagefile on my 24GB RAM Win7x64 machine, mostly 4GB is used running some CAD and game, so swap drive efficiency is solved there. i think nctnico is right about this, Win7/XP still swaps memories (few MB) even on highly oversized RAM, but for my low 3GB RAM WinXP_x86 running 10s of apps at a time, i dont think disabling pagefile will be a good idea.
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Re: 32GB RAM -- beneficial or just money sinker?
« Reply #82 on: October 20, 2019, 02:34:46 pm »
I can't give you guys links to documents, but I remember reading tech blogs written by Microsoft programmers that were saying it's best to leave the pagefile / swap enabled, even if set to something as low as 100 MB.
The reason for that was because inside the memory management code there are some "shortcuts" or tricks made to improve memory allocation and handling and those tricks or shortcuts work because the code knows if the attempt fails, there's always pagefile to fall back to and save the day, in those rare worst case scenarios .... with pagefile disabled, some of those algorithms default to "guaranteed always works" but they're much slower (use more cpu cycles to complete).

So basically, a program that allocates and destroys lots of memory even if it's small chunks of memory, may work a bit better (perform more operations per second, stuff like that), even if they never hit the page file, even if they only work with way less than the maximum memory installed in the system.

Maybe things have changes in the latest versions of Windows, and maybe with the modern processors that have 8 cores, 16 threads, and 4 Ghz+ frequencies, those extra cpu cycles don't matter that much anymore.

 Still, it doesn't affect me in any way to leave some page file...  Windows is often too eager to kill applications if it seems it's running out of memory.
For example, I had at some point pagefile locked to 256MB (fixed size) and 8 GB of RAM  ... I was playing a game and alt-tabbed to a browser to read a walkthrough for the game.
The page was full of animated GIFs showing the route through the map of the game, and animated avatars for characters and so on ... at that point Firefox still kept the uncompressed GIFs in memory, so the page went up to 5 GB of memory usage from all the GIFs on the page and that made Windows ask to kill the game to make more room for memory.
 
 

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Re: 32GB RAM -- beneficial or just money sinker?
« Reply #83 on: October 20, 2019, 02:38:05 pm »
Some years ago I came up to the conclusion that, when I build a new PC, it makes sense to buy as much memory as the board allows.  Now I have 32 GB of RAM, the maximum allowed by this motherboard, first bought 16 then another 16 in a month or so, just for the peace of mind.  I did that because it happened to me in the past to upgrade very late, when the type of memory my PC has was almost deprecated, so hard to find, and thus more expensive.

Virtual machines were one reason, and I can testify is better to have too much memory rather then lack it, then it is that I have a ZFS file system on some disks, and ZFS could take advantage of the extra RAM.

My advice, if you can afford the cost, buy as much memory as permitted by motherboard 's chipset.  If not, buy as much as your budget allows.

For my daily usage on a workstation, it doesn't matter much if it's CL3 or CL2, so I won't spend much for high speed memories, but it does make a difference if it's 16 vs 32 GB.

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Re: 32GB RAM -- beneficial or just money sinker?
« Reply #84 on: October 20, 2019, 02:43:17 pm »
Data Centers, Scientific Research Departments/Schools/Universities, Medicine Companies, Oil Prospectors and probably Space related companies are where this technology will be really at their best. For the normal consumer the price must come down or the size up a lot.

Precisely the reason why I asked: anyone from those areas is using it with profit?

 

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Re: 32GB RAM -- beneficial or just money sinker?
« Reply #85 on: October 20, 2019, 03:18:08 pm »
Some years ago I came up to the conclusion that, when I build a new PC, it makes sense to buy as much memory as the board allows. 

The last few decades taught us that you should buy what you need and not what you might need in a few years, since hardware prices will drop or you'll get more bang for the buck. If you're the family's repair cafe old RAM modules and so on will pile up anyway, in case you want a RAM upgrade for an old PC.
 

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Re: 32GB RAM -- beneficial or just money sinker?
« Reply #86 on: October 20, 2019, 04:12:19 pm »
Some years ago I came up to the conclusion that, when I build a new PC, it makes sense to buy as much memory as the board allows.
I usually leave slots open on a new PC. Later on I upgrade.
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