Author Topic: $1000 USD CAD and Rendering Workhorse. Getting the Balance right? (Read 38656 times)

beanflying · « **Reply #250 on:** July 17, 2019, 08:24:25 am »

It's alive even if not on the final processor due to a delayed GPU

I got a cracker deal on a 2400G (currently installed) which is heading for a second system for the bedroom instead of the current puny Intel Atom box.

Bios upgrade in progress then trying to sort out Windoze 1903 era Media Creation Tool sorted out

Error 0x80042405 – 0xA001B error is seriously uncool and turn number three in progress after a complete reformat of the thumbdrive

mnementh · « **Reply #251 on:** July 17, 2019, 08:33:17 am »

I blame the dee-dee-dee-Dell keyboard.

mnem
*toddling off to ded*

beanflying · « **Reply #252 on:** July 17, 2019, 10:22:25 am »

Speaking of FAT Code seems that maybe now 16Gb isn't enough space for an install post 1903

On download number five on a 32Gb drive with a clean reformat we have a winner on a drive

Microsnot

SiliconWizard · « **Reply #253 on:** July 17, 2019, 04:34:54 pm »

mnementh · « **Reply #254 on:** July 17, 2019, 05:20:17 pm »

I'll admit one thing about the Prime Day/ANTI-PRIME DAY phenomenon... if you're looking to "refresh" a budget last-gen gaming rig, you can get pretty good on the cheap. Name-brand B450 gaming motherboards, $60-70. 16GB DDR4-2400/3000 $45-70. "Slower" (note quotes, please ) 512GB nvme drives $60-80, and they're giving away the 1TB Intel 660 drives. Right now several Crucial combos; 500GB P1 nvme SSD and DDR4-3000/DDR4-3200 ram for $92.

Ryzen 2400G for $99, 2600 for $119. Even saw a Ryzen 3 for $47. Think I'd still rather have a Ryzen 3600 at $199 than the 2700 at $149, though.

I'm half tempted to build a second rig out of just the sloppy seconds on NewEgg...

mnem
*tzzzt*

mnementh · « **Reply #255 on:** July 17, 2019, 08:13:49 pm »

Quote from: beanflying on July 17, 2019, 10:22:25 am

Speaking of FAT Code seems that maybe now 16Gb isn't enough space for an install post 1903

On download number five on a 32Gb drive with a clean reformat we have a winner on a drive Microsnot

It's because you're in OZ. All your infrastructure is upside-down, so when the data gets to your end of the submarine fiber, your routers have to flip all the bits with respect to the rest of the world. And everybody knows zeros are fatter than ones.

mnem
*agitating-ily*

beanflying · « **Reply #256 on:** July 18, 2019, 01:50:03 am »

Quote from: mnementh on July 17, 2019, 05:20:17 pm

I'll admit one thing about the Prime Day/ANTI-PRIME DAY phenomenon... if you're looking to "refresh" a budget last-gen gaming rig, you can get pretty good on the cheap. Name-brand B450 gaming motherboards, $60-70. 16GB DDR4-2400/3000 $45-70. "Slower" (note quotes, please ) 512GB nvme drives $60-80, and they're giving away the 1TB Intel 660 drives. Right now several Crucial combos; 500GB P1 nvme SSD and DDR4-3000/DDR4-3200 ram for $92.

Ryzen 2400G for $99, 2600 for $119. Even saw a Ryzen 3 for $47. Think I'd still rather have a Ryzen 3600 at $199 than the 2700 at $149, though.

I'm half tempted to build a second rig out of just the sloppy seconds on NewEgg...

mnem
*tzzzt*

Sloppy seconds thread is here

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/general-computing/$3-500-usd-bang-for-your-buck-systems-new-vs-old-for-the-workbench-or-home/msg2554083/#msg2554083

Won the battle with BIOS and Windoze fitting the M/Board in the Case over a coffee

beanflying · « **Reply #257 on:** July 18, 2019, 06:48:47 am »

Not the intended Processor but 'tomorrow' allegedly I will be getting the delivery of the RX580 so I can finish off the build. Meanwhile giving the 2400G a run and it is far from shabby as an all rounder

Edit Blows my old I3 out of the water on Fusion 360 just so much faster.

The cable management on the H500 was a doddle to get looking decent. Tie points, space to hold a party in and covers to hide a few ugly bits.

Subtle RGB could grow on me yet

mnementh · « **Reply #258 on:** July 18, 2019, 09:22:45 pm »

THE SLEEVENING has begun!!!

mnem
welcome to the dork side.

mnementh · « **Reply #259 on:** July 19, 2019, 04:38:03 am »

Quote from: beanflying on July 18, 2019, 06:48:47 am

Subtle RGB could grow on me yet

Agreed. I set mine up similarly; all solid medium blue, no blinking or unicorn blarff. Hardly even notice the thing; blue has gone so far beyond passe' it's come around again to understated.

mnem
*tzzzzt*

beanflying · « **Reply #260 on:** July 19, 2019, 06:47:13 am »

WooHoo Graphics Card arrived finally from the far North of the country and 3000+km of Snail Mail.

Before swapping out the Processor and adding in the Card I ran a quick benchmark test for what they are worth. SiSoft Sandra Light V4 (current)

Old I3 8300 HP banger 0.39kPT - yes it is that bad.
New Box Ryzen 5 2400G (no GPU) 2.31kPt
New Box Ryzen 5 2400G with RX580 3.04kPt
New Box Ryzen 7 3700X with RX580 4.87kPt

All tested with stock bios and no overclocking apart from what Ryzen does itself.

More RGB Reduction coming up the CPU outer ring colour changing has to go as does some of the intensity.

Black Phoenix · « **Reply #261 on:** July 19, 2019, 07:06:02 am »

Beautiful cable management.

Halcyon · « **Reply #262 on:** July 19, 2019, 09:34:40 am »

Quote from: mnementh on July 17, 2019, 08:13:49 pm

It's because you're in OZ. All your infrastructure is upside-down, so when the data gets to your end of the submarine fiber, your routers have to flip all the bits with respect to the rest of the world. And everybody knows zeros are fatter than ones.

Nothing wrong with big-endian. We also have big-endian flushing toilets. ;-)

mnementh · « **Reply #263 on:** July 19, 2019, 04:57:11 pm »

↑

mnem
*back out into the Tejas suck*

Black Phoenix · « **Reply #264 on:** July 20, 2019, 07:14:11 am »

Quote from: beanflying on July 19, 2019, 06:47:13 am

WooHoo Graphics Card arrived finally from the far North of the country and 3000+km of Snail Mail.

Before swapping out the Processor and adding in the Card I ran a quick benchmark test for what they are worth. SiSoft Sandra Light V4 (current)

Old I3 8300 HP banger 0.39kPT - yes it is that bad.
New Box Ryzen 5 2400G (no GPU) 2.31kPt
New Box Ryzen 5 2400G with RX580 3.04kPt
New Box Ryzen 7 3700X with RX580 4.87kPt

All tested with stock bios and no overclocking apart from what Ryzen does itself.

More RGB Reduction coming up the CPU outer ring colour changing has to go as does some of the intensity.

By the way mate, as a information in case you wanna check if the CPU is properly boosting.

beanflying · « **Reply #265 on:** July 20, 2019, 07:37:11 am »

Thanks but I am running with a B450 on the latest release BIOS. Seems there was some issues with only some of the 570 boards which seems more like typical first adopter issues and I think there has now been BIOS upgrades for most of them already. I haven't tried anything with over clocking or boosting anything so far on mine and seriously don't see the need to it.

Biggest face palm so far is 120Mb of software Gigabyte takes to run it's RGB software

Seriously lazy coding to the max and auto loaded on startup.

Why I am not bothering with over clocking and why not to buy the 3800X

mnementh · « **Reply #266 on:** July 20, 2019, 06:33:19 pm »

I have no problem with OCing... Especially in the "unofficially-endorsed endorsed" manner AMD does; it's just free horsepower. A mild OC on my CPU and GPU brought me up 20 percentile points on a $47 PileDriver bought 6 months ago.

https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/18354061

And Now For Something Completely... ON-TOPIC!!!

Still pooling my components; piece-by-piece as I have funds and deals are found.

Shopping list so far:

$199.99 - MFR LIST PRICE - GIGABYTE X570 AORUS ELITE MB https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813145160
$104.48 - Amazon Prime Day Deal - Crucial Ballistix Elite 3600 MHz DDR4 DRAM Desktop Gaming Memory Kit 16GB (8GBx2) CL16 https://www.crucial.com/usa/en/ble2k8g4d36beeak
$140.00 * ebay USED/LNIB/COMPLETE - XFX Radeon RX 580 GTS XXX Edition 8GB GDDR5 Graphics Card http://www.xfxforce.com/en-us/products/amd-radeon-rx-500-series/rx-580-gts-8gb-dd-rx-580p8dfd6
$ 60.00 * Amazon - upHere Technology AIO Liquid CPU Cooler240mm /Dual Adjustable PWM Fan & Blue LED https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07DJ63S3Y?th=1
$ 37.00 - NewEgg "Anti-Prime Day" Deal - DEEPCOOL MATREXX 55 ADD-RGB ATX Mid-Tower Case https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811853065
$ 33.00 - Random Amazon Closeout - Excelvan 1KW Cryptomining PSU (NLA) See my teardown here.

$574.47 - Total so far. * Items to be recycled from current build per my "build it in stages to minimize the wallet pain and still get what you want" process.

Waiting til after upcoming birthday for the next two big expenditures; CPU & SSD.

Cheers,

mnem

beanflying · « **Reply #267 on:** July 21, 2019, 12:58:09 am »

Found a possible use case for the 3.5" Drive mounting

One of my W10 2/32Gb Intel Atoms heading for the insides of my Laser cutter with a new Smoothieware Controller card instead of an old Windoze 7 Tablet.

Most likely this will now get removed and should help the airflow a little more over the GPU and board from the lower fan. I was going to install what would become a spare 500Gb drive in it but due to rebates and a very good deal I am adding a 1TB NVMe to the 500GB already on board (<$170 USD landed for a Samsung EVO Plus) coupled with my 4TB NAS covered for the next 5+ years of storage.

$1000 USD CAD and Rendering Workhorse. Getting the Balance right?

mnementh · « **Reply #268 on:** July 21, 2019, 04:10:18 am »

I'm still in the fondling stage.

mnem
Don't judge me!!!

mnementh · « **Reply #269 on:** July 23, 2019, 04:37:27 pm »

IT'S IN THERE!!!

Unicorn Blarff Mode enabled JUST for bean.

mnem

beanflying · « **Reply #270 on:** July 24, 2019, 01:46:10 am »

I should have switched mine from calming blue last night to bright red while forum posting

RTX 2080 Super was released today -

yawn was the response on Youtube.

The more I see of the 5700 and 5700XT the more likely my Box value will continue to rise a little

Take out the RX580 add one of these and the extra 1TB Samsung and $1.3-1.4k still won't be adding the card until later this year to iron out some of the first adopters bugs. That said touch wood the B450 and 3700X are running great given the Bios upgrades needed.

mnementh · « **Reply #271 on:** July 24, 2019, 04:03:20 am »

Quote from: beanflying on July 21, 2019, 12:58:09 am

Found a possible use case for the 3.5" Drive mounting (Attachment Link)

Mine HAD TO GO.

mnem
But hey, now I DO have enough room to change my mind...

mnementh · « **Reply #272 on:** July 24, 2019, 06:04:17 pm »

Quote from: beanflying on July 24, 2019, 01:46:10 am

I should have switched mine from calming blue last night to bright red while forum posting

RTX 2080 Super was released today - yawn was the response on Youtube.

The more I see of the 5700 and 5700XT the more likely my Box value will continue to rise a little Take out the RX580 add one of these and the extra 1TB Samsung and $1.3-1.4k still won't be adding the card until later this year to iron out some of the first adopters bugs. That said touch wood the B450 and 3700X are running great given the Bios upgrades needed.

https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/baited-nvidia-faking-rx-5700-xt-pricing-e3

Yeah, I think AMD caught NVIDIA with their pants down too. The "Super" is more about repositioning their own old hardware tiers than it is about actually introducing anything new.

I'm still really happy with my RX580 purchase FOR NOW; I know that once I actually start playing in 2K I'll need more, but my sims are all native 1080P still so...

Of course, when I get back into VR that'll all be blown out of the water, so...

Too bad you're halfway round the world. Would be nice to get together and try a RX580 CF setup without having to spend the money.

mnem

*currently having an unnatural relationship with this cup of coffee*

mnementh · « **Reply #273 on:** July 24, 2019, 07:24:20 pm »

This came up in my feed after I listened to that podcast... 70 inch 8K gaming at 20-ish FPS.

Linus proves two things: SLI/CF is STILL a PITA thanks to arbitrary driver & config limitations, and that HD ADAPTERS SUCK. You're still better off with the CORRECT DP-HDMI CABLES from a reputable supplier, not even EXPENSIVE boutique cables and schizz, than a fistful of expensive active adapters.

mnem
"You have GOT to be fucking kidding me..."

mnementh · « **Reply #274 on:** July 25, 2019, 02:53:20 am »

Please forgive the cross-post; I felt it was very appropriate here as well.

Effing Amazon, man...

So I stayed up late tinkering on my new PC case; getting some of the foundation demolition work done and sizing it up for the next stage of assembly after installing the 1KW PSU. At 2AM, I order a 5-pack of award-winning name-brand Arctic 120mm PWM fans, since I decided I'm at most going to have some old-school RGB "under-lighting" but otherwise totally "Dark Star" the whole build. And my own personal requirement for the last couple decades, a software-independent discrete thermometer to attach directly to the CPU's lid.

They delivered them at 7PM. Total cost? $36; less than the fans alone at NewEgg, plus $4.99 3-6 day shipping like they're doing me some damned favor.

Effing Amazon, man.

mnem
*couch-tuber time widda kidzz*


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