The Non Linear Plasma Reactor

[MK14]

What more evidence do you want that NASA dont know that?

Most or all of us, who are members of this forum.  Are unlikely to want to, or even be in much of a position to try, and strongly disagree, with many things that NASA publishes.

We might want to further some undiscovered or uncertain bits of it, or solve some unsolved bits.  But not usually strongly disagree, with lots of things they publish.

As a rule of thumb, if someone wants to very strongly disagree with well established things, where NASA, Physicists, Experimental results and other fields, such as mathematics, are all in close agreement.

Then the person would either be, an up coming super-genius, way above Einsteins intellectual level, or the opposite, of that (but still a potentially very useful member of society, just maybe not cut out to give huge lectures on new physics theories, to lots of people).

[ebastler]

Well no one has proven fusion, your friend just shared a nice article that should help you with that.

I don't know which article you read. The one I saw says:

The sun is made of plasma, a gas-like state of matter in which electrons and ions have separated, creating a super-hot mix of charged particles. When charged particles move, they naturally create magnetic fields, which in turn have an additional effect on how the particles move. The plasma in the sun, therefore, sets up a complicated system of cause and effect in which plasma flows inside the sun – churned up by the enormous heat produced by nuclear fusion at the center of the sun – create the sun's magnetic fields. This system is known as the solar dynamo.

Yes, it also states that "A complete understanding of the sun’s magnetic field – including knowing exactly how it’s generated and its structure deep inside the sun – is not yet mapped out." But how would that contradict the understanding that the sun is powered by nuclear fusion?!

Your argument works just like: "Rainfall cannot explain global warming, so rainfall can't be real."

Stop this, quickly. Turn your attention to something entirely different or you will go nuts, man. You are already on a slippery slope.

[bd139]

Most or all of us, who are members of this forum.  Are unlikely to want to, or even be in much of a position to try, and strongly disagree, with many things that NASA publishes.

This.

Everything we know and work on is possible to describe using mathematical models. NASA at least utilise that and engineering discipline to build things that actually work and have a huge long history of credibility doing so and publishing it.

And along comes someone with no mathematical models, no engineering discipline and has no credibility and when asked for any models to back this up or even some mathematical description calls the people asking all sorts of names, dismisses their requests and generally struts around like a chicken making noises and defecating everywhere.

But at least the chicken produces eggs.

[Nonlinearplasma]

Most or all of us, who are members of this forum.  Are unlikely to want to, or even be in much of a position to try, and strongly disagree, with many things that NASA publishes.

This.

Everything we know and work on is possible to describe using mathematical models. NASA at least utilise that and engineering discipline to build things that actually work and have a huge long history of credibility doing so and publishing it.

And along comes someone with no mathematical models, no engineering discipline and has no credibility and when asked for any models to back this up or even some mathematical description calls the people asking all sorts of names, dismisses their requests and generally struts around like a chicken making noises and defecating everywhere.

But at least the chicken produces eggs.

NASA has an annual budget of $22.6 billion, thats why they can come up with mathimatical models and build stuff to prove theories. They spent a lot of it on fusion, but have thus far failed to prove it powers the sun. They also havent managed to mathimatically model the magnetic field on the sun. Maybe thats because the megnetic field is a magnetic wave. Like i have been saying.

[Nonlinearplasma]

Well no one has proven fusion, your friend just shared a nice article that should help you with that.

I don't know which article you read. The one I saw says:

The sun is made of plasma, a gas-like state of matter in which electrons and ions have separated, creating a super-hot mix of charged particles. When charged particles move, they naturally create magnetic fields, which in turn have an additional effect on how the particles move. The plasma in the sun, therefore, sets up a complicated system of cause and effect in which plasma flows inside the sun – churned up by the enormous heat produced by nuclear fusion at the center of the sun – create the sun's magnetic fields. This system is known as the solar dynamo.

Yes, it also states that "A complete understanding of the sun’s magnetic field – including knowing exactly how it’s generated and its structure deep inside the sun – is not yet mapped out." But how would that contradict the understanding that the sun is powered by nuclear fusion?!

Your argument works just like: "Rainfall cannot explain global warming, so rainfall can't be real."

Stop this, quickly. Turn your attention to something entirely different or you will go nuts, man. You are already on a slippery slope.

Its the differece between the power source and the by product. The power source (toroid) creates the magnetic field.  Then the magnetic field creates the fusion.

All the good ideas are considered crazy at first. Im not worried.

[bd139]

Most or all of us, who are members of this forum.  Are unlikely to want to, or even be in much of a position to try, and strongly disagree, with many things that NASA publishes.

This.

Everything we know and work on is possible to describe using mathematical models. NASA at least utilise that and engineering discipline to build things that actually work and have a huge long history of credibility doing so and publishing it.

And along comes someone with no mathematical models, no engineering discipline and has no credibility and when asked for any models to back this up or even some mathematical description calls the people asking all sorts of names, dismisses their requests and generally struts around like a chicken making noises and defecating everywhere.

But at least the chicken produces eggs.

NASA has an annual budget of $22.6 billion, thats why they can come up with mathimatical models and build stuff to prove theories. They spent a lot of it on fusion, but have thus far failed to prove it powers the sun. They also havent managed to mathimatically model the magnetic field on the sun. Maybe thats because the megnetic field is a magnetic wave. Like i have been saying.

Perhaps you should come up with a testable hypothesis with mathematics to back it up then and submit it to them then rather than garbing on about it in some internet forum?

Oh no you can't so you're coming on here making excuses for having no idea what the fuck you are talking about and talking around everything.

You are classic ideas dude at startup.

"I have this wonderful idea. Find me someone to make it happen."

That's not how physics works.

Your idea is not credible, you have no common language to express it which anyone with credibility can assess it with and you are evasive and unprofessional.

[MK14]

NASA has an annual budget of $22.6 billion, thats why they can come up with mathimatical models and build stuff to prove theories. They spent a lot of it on fusion, but have thus far failed to prove it powers the sun. They also havent managed to mathimatically model the magnetic field on the sun. Maybe thats because the megnetic field is a magnetic wave. Like i have been saying.

<This message, is not necessarily from me>

If the math doesnt work out, its not a mathimatical model.

Its called a FAILED MODEL.

<What follows, IS from me>

That would suggest, you really need to get a combination of a successful theory, mathematical model, and later, experimental results, all in agreement, then maybe start discussing it with others.

**Maybe** doesn't work.

**Maybe** I will win £300,000,000 on a EU lottery.  Then **Maybe** I will invent a new physics theory.  Finally **Maybe** I can live to >200 years old.

**Maybe** you are a robot.  **Maybe** it is an attacking type of robot.  **Maybe** I should phone the police and warn them.  **Maybe** they will give me £300,000,000 reward money.  **Maybe** I can .....

[bd139]

All the good ideas are considered crazy at first. Im not worried.

No you're completely wrong there. Absolutely 100% wrong.

You don't hear about the crazy ideas because there's millions of them and they all die silently. A few of them flop around loudly and gasp for air a bit before dying or being killed but that's the minority.

Someone just puts a narrative around the good ideas because everyone loves some romantic story of adversity because it amplifies the idea.

Good ideas that stick are hard work, research, reputation and marketing. None of which you have done.

[Zero999]

what is your power source?! 

NLP generator runs on vast quantities of BS

There is enough BS in this thread alone to run a billion Talkie-Toasters for a billion years 

That reminds me of an episode of Eurotrash, a dodgy low budget TV show filled with soft porn and bad jokes about Europe. A European bloke made his own shit generator. I can't remember what powered it, but it was mildly amusing.

[hexreader]

A toroid is not a power source all by itself.

Let me have a wild stab a guessing what this is about....

You plan to feed in (let's say for argument) 1 kilowatt of electricity (sustained)

You hope to get (let's say) 900 Watts-worth of propulsion out (yes I know propulsion is not measured in Watts)

Since action and reaction are equal, you need to eject matter to provide propulsion - so now 45% efficient (say)

Your invention is a new kind of motor? (means of propulsion suited to outer space? )

I think I am likely totally wrong, but I really struggle to understand the bigger view of what your invention will do

[daqq]

A European bloke made his own shit generator. I can't remember what powered it, but it was mildly amusing.

If I remember correctly the generator went into politics.

[Nonlinearplasma]

A toroid is not a power source all by itself.

Are you saying a toroid of rotating charge does not produce a magnetic field?
Go back to the fusion research paper that talked about the problem of the plasma pulsing. The energy that creates the pluse in the plasma hasnt been input by the reactor, the current in the reactor coils is steady. We know this because the pulsing is a problem. The current in the input coils is stopping the plasma from becoming the input winding. Unfortunately, the design cant extract power from these coils as it would destroy the field structure of the plasma toroid.

Let me have a wild stab a guessing what this is about....

You plan to feed in (let's say for argument) 1 kilowatt of electricity (sustained)

You hope to get (let's say) 900 Watts-worth of propulsion out (yes I know propulsion is not measured in Watts)

Since action and reaction are equal, you need to eject matter to provide propulsion - so now 45% efficient (say)

Ah but how many reactors do you have? 1 for propulsion that can be refueled? And one to protect the ship? Stopping radiation is a big deal. It allows you to have much more advanced electrical circuits. You electronics guys should understand why they wrapped current satellites in gold foil.

Your invention is a new kind of motor? (means of propulsion suited to outer space? )

It simply just a jet engine combined with an electric motor. Using the compression wave of plasma around the toroids z pinch to create an exponential compression wave along the poloidal axis. The plasma current this produces will meet resistance when it hits the turbine blades. Remember drag on the rotating plasma is next to nothing inside a rotating sphere in orbit. How much energy is need to maintain a constant velocity? How much excess energy does a planet produce to power the oceans and magnetosphere?

I think I am likely totally wrong, but I really struggle to understand the bigger view of what your invention will do

It will recreate the magnetic field of a star or planet. Its a big deal.

The invention will do the same thing Tesla A.C. generation did. His increased the efficiency of the electrical compression wave. This will increasing the efficiency of the plasma compression wave.

[Nonlinearplasma]

No you're completely wrong there. Absolutely 100% wrong.

You don't hear about the crazy ideas because there's millions of them and they all die silently. A few of them flop around loudly and gasp for air a bit before dying or being killed but that's the minority.

Someone just puts a narrative around the good ideas because everyone loves some romantic story of adversity because it amplifies the idea.

Good ideas that stick are hard work, research, reputation and marketing. None of which you have done.

I think you should ref back to the tesla article on A.C, his Professor said it would be perpetual motion. Are you currently using A.C electricity or not?  You have no idea how much work and research i have put into this. How could you know?

Why dont you answer these simply questions....

How do we currently extract potential energy from a compressed fluid in order to turn it into kinetic energy?

Does compressed plasma expand?

What do anti parallel currents do?

Name one source of energy that uses heat energy to directly generate kinetic energy?

[bd139]

No you're completely wrong there. Absolutely 100% wrong.

You don't hear about the crazy ideas because there's millions of them and they all die silently. A few of them flop around loudly and gasp for air a bit before dying or being killed but that's the minority.

Someone just puts a narrative around the good ideas because everyone loves some romantic story of adversity because it amplifies the idea.

Good ideas that stick are hard work, research, reputation and marketing. None of which you have done.

I think you should ref back to the tesla article on A.C, his Professor said it would be perpetual motion. Are you currently using A.C electricity or not?  You have no idea how much work and research i have put into this. How could you know?

Why dont you answer these simply questions....

How do we currently extract potential energy from a compressed fluid in order to turn it into kinetic energy?

Does compressed plasma expand?

What do anti parallel currents do?

Name one source of energy that uses heat energy to directly generate kinetic energy?

One anecdote from a hundred years ago does not explain 2022.

How about you demonstrate mathematically that your questions have validity. That’s how it works.

The promoter of an idea is the guy who answers the questions.

[Nonlinearplasma]

One anecdote from a hundred years ago does not explain 2022.

How about you demonstrate mathematically that your questions have validity. That’s how it works.

The promoter of an idea is the guy who answers the questions.

Then you're in no position to claim my answers are wrong.

If you want to make claims then back them up or shut up. They are the most basic questions and the fact you cant answer them shows you to be no better than a troll.

You were asked to leave multiply times if you had nothing constructive to add. You add nothing, asking the same bullshit question and expecting me to have it all laid out for you like NASA would. Sorry bro im not NASA.

[bd139]

One anecdote from a hundred years ago does not explain 2022.

How about you demonstrate mathematically that your questions have validity. That’s how it works.

The promoter of an idea is the guy who answers the questions.

Then you're in no position to claim my answers are wrong.

If you want to make claims then back them up or shut up. They are the most basic questions and the fact you cant answer them shows you to be no better than a troll.

You were asked to leave multiply times if you had nothing constructive to add. You add nothing, asking the same bullshit question and expecting me to have it all laid out for you like NASA would. Sorry bro im not NASA.

The burden of proof is on you which is what you fail to understand and fail to provide. I have no need to disprove your hypothesis as you have provided no rational evidence or a model or framework in which to conceptualise it other than some crazed word salad.

I don’t think you’re in a position to ask me to leave. Simon or Dave are. But not you.

Also using the term “bro” really dismisses some more of your credibility.

[Zero999]

The patent was linked to in the original post, along with another link to a research paper. The patent looks like another word salad and I admit I the research paper is outside my field.

https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2022104408&_cid=P12-L3VAV6-33583-1
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Andrei-Smolyakov/publication/253018641_Explosive_growth_and_nonlinear_dynamics_of_the_forced_magnetic_island/links/53edec9f0cf23733e80b18cd/Explosive-growth-and-nonlinear-dynamics-of-the-forced-magnetic-island.pdf

All patents are when written by a patent attorney, its called legalese. Trust me i never want to read it again either. But you should just look at the picture. Then look at the pink squatter man.

Using the terms right there in the heading, explosive growth and non linear dynamics of magnetic island look for the pressure release point on the plasma exiting the z pinch. Put that pink squatterman image with the large arrow on the head inside the plasma reactor to force the expanding plasma around the turbine blades to rotate the sphere and then feed that back into the z pinch to be compressed again. That completes the secondary plasma circuit. 1 independent toroidal current inducing a second independent poloidal current.

Nonsense. If you filed the patent, then you must understand it. Please explain the quoted text in more detail.

A plasma reactor is provided together with a method for generating kinetic energy to propel a craft. The reactor includes an inlet for plasma; a reactor core having an interior chamber and an exterior chamber, the interior chamber being configured to rotate within the exterior chamber; a pair of opposing polar field generators, a first polar field generator connected proximal to an inlet of the interior chamber, and a second polar field generator connected proximal to an outlet of the interior chamber, the pair of polar field generators configured to induce a current in the plasma to generate a toroidal flow therein, wherein the toroidal flow compresses the plasma into a z-pinch flow in a central column between the first polar field generator and the second polar field generator; turbine blades located between the interior chamber and the exterior chamber for generating thrust to convert the z-pinch flow to kinetic energy; and an outlet.

https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2022104408&_cid=P12-L3VAV6-33583-1

I have looked at the picture. It appears to be a diagram of an alien life form's eye.

[Nonlinearplasma]

Nonsense. If you filed the patent, then you must understand it. Please explain the quoted text in more detail.

I have looked at the picture. It appears to be a diagram of an alien life form's eye.

Off course i understand it. But its not me who wrote it. Its written a specific way that no one likes reading.

I have put the pink plasma squatter man over the "alien eye", hopefully it shows you the direction of the plasma in the Z-Pinch and where the plasma then expands to create the largest potential difference used to turn the reactor via the turbine blades. A gas set up does not need to be super dense or super hot.

[magic]

It's more comprehensible than anything you have posted here.

What's the difference between the plasma that exists the system and the plasma that enters the system?

[Nonlinearplasma]

It's more comprehensible than anything you have posted here.

What's the difference between the plasma that exists the system and the plasma that enters the system?

Density. The plasma exiting the Z-Pinch is compressed.

The plasma entering the Z-Pinch is being sucked in. Like any mechanical compression pump. Such as a twin screw compressor intake. As the plasma is compressed it draws a vacuum behind it.

[magic]

That's internally, but what's the difference between that stuff that enters through the inlet 105 and exists through the outlet 140B?
Couldn't the machine run closed loop, with the plasma wholly circulating inside?

[McBryce]

I don't believe the earth is flat and I can even imagine electrons travelling in 3D helical paths, but none of that helps me understand why you think that you would get more energy out of a system than you put into it. No matter how much superconductive elements you used and no matter how much compression occurred at the z-pinch, etc. The only source of energy is the energy you put in, so where does the additional energy come from?

McBryce.

[Nonlinearplasma]

That's internally, but what's the difference between that stuff that enters through the inlet 105 and exists through the outlet 140B?
Couldn't the machine run closed loop, with the plasma wholly circulating inside?

The inlet is for controlling the density of the plasma inside the reactor. Like refilling after you used some plasma as thrust from outlet 140B

So, Yes it runs closed loop, except when being used as a propellant.

[Nonlinearplasma]

I don't believe the earth is flat and I can even imagine electrons travelling in 3D helical paths, but none of that helps me understand why you think that you would get more energy out of a system than you put into it. No matter how much superconductive elements you used and no matter how much compression occurred at the z-pinch, etc. The only source of energy is the energy you put in, so where does the additional energy come from?

McBryce.

Dont forget to reverse the inverse square law for compression waves. The Z Pinch is not the source axis of any wave. It makes a difference when you calculate the energy available at that location. Consider that all that energy travelling outward from the Sun or Earth, is also travelling inward.

[Zero999]

I don't believe the earth is flat and I can even imagine electrons travelling in 3D helical paths, but none of that helps me understand why you think that you would get more energy out of a system than you put into it. No matter how much superconductive elements you used and no matter how much compression occurred at the z-pinch, etc. The only source of energy is the energy you put in, so where does the additional energy come from?

McBryce.

Dont forget to reverse the inverse square law for compression waves. The Z Pinch is not the source axis of any wave. It makes a difference when you calculate the energy available at that location. Consider that all that energy travelling outward from the Sun or Earth, is also travelling inward.

Don't forget the laws of thermodynamics.