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Re: The Non Linear Plasma Reactor
« Reply #600 on: June 12, 2022, 08:01:18 pm »
Because in old times, you had a crazy idea ie. that the earth is flat. You talked to people about it in the local pub and they told you that you are an idiot.
You talked about it in work and they told you, you are an idiot. And after a while the penny dropped and you realized that the idea was wrong.
Now after the first rejection you go online and you can find a group of 500 people that think the same, who are from all over the globe. 500 is a staggering large amount of people, as our monkey brain is only prepared to deal with, remember, care about maybe 2000 people in total. And thus we end up with this.

Very good point.  I heard that one of these 'flat-earthers' in the US, made a big rocket, strapped themselves to it, to prove the earth is flat (there is controversy, over if they were a true flat-Earther, or were just doing it for the (maybe fame?) and money).  It went wrong, and they ended up getting killed, unfortunately.

I think, it is also a sort of confirmation-bias (finding those 500 people and their information), and also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

Where the person, due to this Dunning–Kruger effect, doesn't realize how wrong they are, compared to the people who really know and understand the subject in question.

That dude wasn’t a flat earther. He just liked pissing around with rockets and needed some idiots to fund it.

The failure of the parachute and watching him turn into a lawn dart was unfortunately but I actually have to respect someone with enough balls to kill themselves in glorious style.
 
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Re: The Non Linear Plasma Reactor
« Reply #601 on: June 12, 2022, 08:11:24 pm »
That dude wasn’t a flat earther. He just liked pissing around with rockets and needed some idiots to fund it.

The failure of the parachute and watching him turn into a lawn dart was unfortunately but I actually have to respect someone with enough balls to kill themselves in glorious style.

In the videos about it.  I think he had the massive rocket on a long trailer, and it got hit by another vehicle (or something), and got damaged.  That may have messed up the parachutes release mechanisms, or jammed it up, etc.  But I'm speculating.
I guess by now, an official accident report, may have been generated, especially if he needed some kind of air-worthiness certifications, for his contraption(s).

I'm not sure, if they would create such a report or not.

Hopefully he realized that what he was doing, was of VERY HIGH risk, and was happy to take the risk?

Like rock-climbing and some other stuff, which is above average risk.
 
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Re: The Non Linear Plasma Reactor
« Reply #602 on: June 12, 2022, 08:39:09 pm »
Because in old times, you had a crazy idea ie. that the earth is flat. You talked to people about it in the local pub and they told you that you are an idiot.
You talked about it in work and they told you, you are an idiot. And after a while the penny dropped and you realized that the idea was wrong.
Now after the first rejection you go online and you can find a group of 500 people that think the same, who are from all over the globe. 500 is a staggering large amount of people, as our monkey brain is only prepared to deal with, remember, care about maybe 2000 people in total. And thus we end up with this.

Very good point.  I heard that one of these 'flat-earthers' in the US, made a big rocket, strapped themselves to it, to prove the earth is flat (there is controversy, over if they were a true flat-Earther, or were just doing it for the (maybe fame?) and money).  It went wrong, and they ended up getting killed, unfortunately.

I think, it is also a sort of confirmation-bias (finding those 500 people and their information), and also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

Where the person, due to this Dunning–Kruger effect, doesn't realize how wrong they are, compared to the people who really know and understand the subject in question.

That dude wasn’t a flat earther. He just liked pissing around with rockets and needed some idiots to fund it.

The failure of the parachute and watching him turn into a lawn dart was unfortunately but I actually have to respect someone with enough balls to kill themselves in glorious style.
But but but... You can literally just take a plane an look out the window.
You can take a crop duster AN-2 and fly it up to 6000m, open the door, stick your head out and see that it is round.
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Re: The Non Linear Plasma Reactor
« Reply #603 on: June 12, 2022, 09:23:56 pm »
Not enough rockets  :-DD
 
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Re: The Non Linear Plasma Reactor
« Reply #604 on: June 13, 2022, 11:31:34 am »
This reminds me of that time where some guy on here thought a lightbulb powered by a tesla coil was emitting "new forms of energy" because metal foils were attracted to it. We over and over tried to tell him it was just electrostatics and capacitance, even showing that the experiment could be replicated by anyone with just a plasma globe toy and a strip of aluminum foil. But once cornered he devolved into insulting madness and the thread was locked. :bullshit: ::)

Any chance you can give me a link to that thread? Sounds like a fun read.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/dodgy-technology/amazing-tesla-experiments!-totally-new-science/
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« Reply #605 on: June 13, 2022, 01:39:15 pm »
You can take a crop duster AN-2 and fly it up to 6000m

You might find that difficult to do with an AN-2.  And if you did succeed, your observations of roundness could be dismissed as a hypoxic delusion.
A 3.5 digit 4.5 digit 5 digit 5.5 digit 6.5 digit 7.5 digit DMM is good enough for most people.
 
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« Reply #606 on: June 13, 2022, 02:10:30 pm »
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/dodgy-technology/amazing-tesla-experiments!-totally-new-science/

The forum doesn't seem to like links with '!' in them.

The fix is to use the URL tags (insert hyperlink) icon, to add the URL to the post.  Like here:

Working link, below:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/dodgy-technology/amazing-tesla-experiments!-totally-new-science/
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Re: The Non Linear Plasma Reactor
« Reply #607 on: June 13, 2022, 02:47:31 pm »
You can take a crop duster AN-2 and fly it up to 6000m

You might find that difficult to do with an AN-2.  And if you did succeed, your observations of roundness could be dismissed as a hypoxic delusion.

Ahh hypoxia; the world's cheapest mind altering drug.
 
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Re: The Non Linear Plasma Reactor
« Reply #608 on: June 13, 2022, 06:43:01 pm »
So you all think COMPRESSING plasma to the point of fusion is more efficient than letting it that potential energy expand? Are you zipped up the back? Have you every used a compressed air tool? Plasma energy is in it abilty to compress fluid with potential energy. Maybe if you understood the difference between the different types of energy. You should all take up surfing, or watch a wave follow a curved surface.

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Re: The Non Linear Plasma Reactor
« Reply #609 on: June 13, 2022, 07:07:26 pm »
You can take a crop duster AN-2 and fly it up to 6000m

You might find that difficult to do with an AN-2.  And if you did succeed, your observations of roundness could be dismissed as a hypoxic delusion.
But you get my point. The point that "It looks round because the cabin window is round" is a very convincing argument for the people who believe in this, and it really doesn't require too much effort to actually see for themselves if they want.
 

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Re: The Non Linear Plasma Reactor
« Reply #610 on: June 16, 2022, 11:56:00 pm »
So we all need math, well its complicated to model a 3 dimensional wave, esp when the modelling work for 2 dimensional waves is not complete enough to fully understand them and they are simple in comparison.

But luckily there is a simplier method, obviously removing the negative value was not simple enough, so we need to explain why we are removing the negative.

The first and most important factor to understand is this statement.

Maxwell's equations measure the CHANGE in the magnetic field. They do not measure or assume the magnetic structure which is causing the change.

You see Maxwell was working with a very basic to non existent understanding of the atomic structure.

He assumed as would anyone that since the induced current wave was produced by a dipole, that the changes that were occuring were also due to a rotating dipole.

Since we all took chemistry, we should all be aware of the electron shells of all atoms. As each shell rotates around the poloidal axis it becomes 1 pole of the quadrupole. As we can see in the attached image this results in a magnetic structure that changes polarity every 90°. As can be seen by the red & blue colour change on each lobe of the quadrupole. The changing magnetic field observed by Maxwell is the combination of the 2 north or positive poles being 180° opposite each other.

If we use Maxwell's equations to determine the value placed on each quadrant around the 360° rotation, then we find that the quadrupoles are valued as positive in the electric field then 90° further in rotation we find the positive value has moved to the magnetic field that is 90°  to the electric. This implies that Maxwell assumed that a dipole was rotating 360° to produce the changes observed, an obvious assumption to make given a rotating dipole was the source of the change in the first place.

However since new understanding has come to light over 200 years and a slightly improved ability to see the atomic structure, we must examine what has previously been considered absolute.

Essentially Maxwell was out by a factor of 2, he measure 180° as 360°. We know this to be true because each action has an equal and opposite reaction. Light, electricity and magnetism follow this rule because they are all double helical waves. If you dont know what a double helixs is then i suggest looking at DNA.

If im wrong, then why do....

Electrons travel in pairs?
Photons travel in pairs?
2 electrons per orbital?
A pair of Electrons have a trajectory of 1.1°?
Why do 2 electrons spin in opposite directions inside the same shell? P.s. just like a quadrupole does.
Why do planets and stars also produce the same quadrupoles? 

So the math? If we look at the first 90° of rotation of the atomic structure. Ie the 2 points where the electric field is positive rotating towards a positive value for the magnetic field. At 90° into the rotation we find that we have a positive value for the magnetic field ie, it is north. Maxwell's mathimatical matrix now says that the electric field is zero in both directions. While the opposite direction has a value of negative. This value suggests that a south pole exists at this location, while it does NOT to the orginal observer who noticed the positive change in the first instance. It most certainly does look like a south pole to the observer at 180°, thus maxwell determined this to be the opposite force to his frame of reference, but it wasnt the opposite force. It was the same force travelling in the opposite direction.

Now we can quickly look at the quadrupole of an atom (attached) and notice this is not true for a quadrupole aka a double helixs. Note, these are the same thing. A "pole" is 180°  of the sinusoidal wave, so if we double the number of waves we get 4 poles. Sorry i better add the maths in, some ppl dont want walls of txt. Oops...

(2 x 180°) + (2 x 180°) = 4, again the 180° comes from half a full rotation, ie 360°, sinusoidal waves are a product of rotation. In this case from observing the rotation around the toroidal axis perpendicular to the Poloidal axis. The mathimatical matrix built around this is a product of perspective. Just because 2 observers view the force/rotation of something as completely opposite does not mean they are, unless you have considered any change in perspective as well. This change in perspective has been entirely ignored for 25 pages now. Ive been telling you from the beginning to look at the situation from the opposite perspective.

The double helical compression wave that forms an endless loop around the toroid of the plasma reactor or Sun is being utilised to further compress the plasma in the z pinch. This is due to the reverse of the inverse square law. Waves curving around any object undergo compression on the inside edge (quadrant) and expansion on the outside edge. This results in different energy densitys in the opposite side of each quadrant of the toroid.

Compression waves grow exponentially when the wave opposite is in the same phase. This produces what is called the Z-pinch or Theta-pinch. It can be found at the center of every rotating wave around a coil of wire. Or every rotating wave around a plasma toroid. Does the medium make a difference to inductance of current? Ie is iron better than air? & Is "superionic" plasma better than iron?

The maths to actually model the interaction of the same wave travelling in 3 dimensions would crash the best supercomputer on the planet. Its a straggering amount of data to input into 1 model. You need to know everything. Speed, density, angle of convergence with itself in every plain, what point the wave convergence reaches its limit, the changing density of the medium as it travels outward, the inverses square law outward, the square law inward, how much faster does the wave travel as it reaches the Poloidal axis? and not to mention every other electromagnetic wave inside the larger system. Ie you cant model the planet, without including the Sun, and you cant model the Sun, without including the Galaxy. There is no point even trying to work on the complicated maths, simply because it's useless to anyone until they understand the helical wave of motion and what the current math is telling you. Take the conservative of energy, does a travelling ocean wave lose energy? Or does the energy expand? The reverse of this is obviously also true and results in the square law for waves travelling inward.

We have to go back to basics and ask what is the diff difference between a North and South pole, how are they related to positive and negative?  All these answers have been provided many times. If you dont get it and arent willing to put the work in, then give up. Take the blue pill and go back to sleep.

For those willing to take the red pill, i will give you all my spare time to help you understand.

To those who dont understand the electrostatic potential energy inside a compressed fluid, and think "heat" will some how magical make fusion energy possible. I have 2 little words for you "heat expands".
If Compression with a small expansion from electromagnetic waves (heat) = fusion
And Compression with a large expansion from non linear electromagnetic waves (current) = you have no energy source..... haha, the good news is; most of you are hiding behind avatars. The bad news is; the double helixs is why we have quadrupoles as oppose to monopoles inside either end of a dipoles. Remember the term equal and opposite reaction.... identical motion 180° apart. Its a rotating plasma universe, and the plasma reactor is designed to allow the energy of the compressed plasma to expand. Just like the compression waves inside a screw compressor. They might be made of metal, but they are still helical compression waves, thus the term compressor. Potential difference in a fluid dynamics is like cracking the valve open on an air receiver, It induces current. The plasma reactor is a big air receiver with the helical compression waves built in.

Please also try to consider that every looping magnetic wave eventually creates an endless current loop. Energy is not lost or gained ever. So long as coulomb's force fights electrostatic force the universe will exist.

No beginning and no end,  the magnetic field is the universes power source, an endless current loop.
 

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Re: The Non Linear Plasma Reactor
« Reply #611 on: June 17, 2022, 12:52:26 am »
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2 electrons per orbital?

Isn't that the maximum number per orbital? That is, an orbital can have 1 electron.

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Electrons travel in pairs?

You can get single electrons.

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Photons travel in pairs?

As with electrons, they can but they can also not.

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A pair of Electrons have a trajectory of 1.1°?

They do? Do you have a source for that? All I could find was that superconductivity of 2-layer-thick graphene relied on an offset of 1.1 degrees.
 
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« Reply #612 on: June 17, 2022, 01:32:21 am »
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2 electrons per orbital?

Isn't that the maximum number per orbital? That is, an orbital can have 1 electron.

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Electrons travel in pairs?

You can get single electrons.

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Photons travel in pairs?

As with electrons, they can but they can also not.

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A pair of Electrons have a trajectory of 1.1°?

They do? Do you have a source for that? All I could find was that superconductivity of 2-layer-thick graphene relied on an offset of 1.1 degrees.

Top 3 can be answered with, yes to all. You also get single peak helical waves. However when specifically talking about the CHANGE in the electric and magnetic field caused by rotation we have to uses the double helixs because we have 4 equatorial lobes per dipole in the atom. Ie 2 wave peaks and 2 wave troughs per 360°. I know some have 6, permanent magnets can have over 50, it doesnt matter since all atoms can be viewed to rotate around both axis. Meaning a dipole will always form from rotation around the toroid, while the multipole exists due to the rolling over the toroidal axis.


Yes. Superconductivity is the perfect pitch of the atomic sturcture to allow the electron to pass without resistance. Unfortunately your going to have to take my word for that or do what i did and think logically, because their hasnt been anything published on it (that i know off). And i dont expect that to change due to the can of worms it will open up.

The question should be, does there need to be an electron for an orbital to exist as a quadrupole? It does not matter how many are in it, when you view it as a wave function. (hydrogen wave function produces quadrupoles, it doesnt have enough electrons to put 1 in each) Since we also have to remember that these wave functions are endless & if no other atom was around to stop it, 1 atom could be the size of the universe. Both dipole will keep changing polority is they travel outwards. Work that 1 out with a 2 dimensional view of magnetic field lines. It simply doesnt.
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Re: The Non Linear Plasma Reactor
« Reply #613 on: June 17, 2022, 06:29:04 pm »
All is not lost. You can always fall back on giving sailing courses.
 
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« Reply #614 on: June 17, 2022, 06:58:06 pm »
All is not lost. You can always fall back on giving sailing courses.

I have plenty to fall back on mate. Including the plasma reactor. You must be heavily invested in fusion to care that much that you cant just leave without adding to the worthless attacks on me personally.

Know one thing, no matter what you and your flat earther friends think of me. I can grantee it wont stop me. Infact i enjoy it, it makes me laugh because i know the future will prove Tesla correct and show that the plasma reactor design is based on the self sustaining source of energy that powers our solar system.

I wish your idea the best of luck
 

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« Reply #615 on: June 17, 2022, 07:35:50 pm »
Honestly good luck to you. Just remember time is a finite thing at least for humans. Try not to die with any regrets. At least you’re not spending it watching TV soaps.
 
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« Reply #616 on: June 17, 2022, 10:48:30 pm »
Honestly good luck to you. Just remember time is a finite thing at least for humans. Try not to die with any regrets. At least you’re not spending it watching TV soaps.

I was reading some article that it is easy nowadays for prisoners to get TV's in their cells for good behaviour where the privilege had to be earned of time.

Joke: I feel sorry for them having a TV in their cell. I don't like watching television anymore. I find it torturous and then there as soon as news come on and that I find that's enough TV for the day.

Talking "soaps" over 20 years ago there was a wonderful television, It was a large Philips 4:3 new at the time with all fancy surround sound stuff and modes, fully adjustable and lovely sound and picture picture one compared to the previous TV and one of the best I have ever seen at the time.

My experience was occasionally ruined during the school holidays mostly on a daily basis by this drama called "Eastenders". I totally despised it. Everytime I came downstairs to get something to see someone watching it all day long. One time as I was waiting for dinner there was this scene of a lady walking into a pub. She orders a beer and then throws it at someone, shouts at them and walks out. I think name was Grant who had the beer thrown at them. A year later I briefly read something in a newspaper reviewing the next series that he broke her neck. Another scene I remember seeing was that he was trying to join the army to be told he was too old and that he'd be good for delivering cans of baked beans to the Queen. He shouts at them aggressively and I can't remember whether he walked out or was dragged out but that minute that went by was enough to ruin my day.

Thankfully since the person in question who loved it left, I felt I could go downstairs in peace and I didn't have to experience that misery anymore.
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« Reply #617 on: June 18, 2022, 06:25:10 am »
All is not lost. You can always fall back on giving sailing courses.

I have plenty to fall back on mate. Including the plasma reactor.

you hit a hard solid floor if you try to fall back an your mirage....
 
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« Reply #618 on: June 18, 2022, 06:26:49 am »
Honestly good luck to you. Just remember time is a finite thing at least for humans. Try not to die with any regrets. At least you’re not spending it watching TV soaps.

I was reading some article that it is easy nowadays for prisoners to get TV's in their cells for good behaviour where the privilege had to be earned of time.

Joke: I feel sorry for them having a TV in their cell. I don't like watching television anymore. I find it torturous and then there as soon as news come on and that I find that's enough TV for the day.

I see why people get upset about it, what they don't realize is they are just trying to rationalize the fact that they too are prisoners even if not in prison. Who wants to watch TV?
 
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« Reply #619 on: June 18, 2022, 08:16:17 am »
Honestly good luck to you. Just remember time is a finite thing at least for humans. Try not to die with any regrets. At least you’re not spending it watching TV soaps.
have’t we wasted enough time trying to convince him, his idea is a waste of time? Oh well, I suppose it’s been entertaining.
 
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Re: The Non Linear Plasma Reactor
« Reply #620 on: June 18, 2022, 09:07:14 am »
Honestly good luck to you. Just remember time is a finite thing at least for humans. Try not to die with any regrets. At least you’re not spending it watching TV soaps.

Is dabbling in free energy woo any better? We'll need a rigorous scientific study on which causes more brain rot. >:D
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« Reply #621 on: June 18, 2022, 09:23:48 am »
Just search for "Hollyoaks" on YouTube and the answer will be obvious.

 
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« Reply #622 on: June 18, 2022, 10:26:49 am »
Just search for "Hollyoaks" on YouTube and the answer will be obvious.

Please not Hollyoaks!!! None of us have done anything to deserve that. I'll take 3 Free energy threads and a "water out of air device" discussion rather than watch one of those!

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« Reply #623 on: June 18, 2022, 10:57:17 am »
Ah a fellow sane person. Welcome to the real world  :-DD
 
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« Reply #624 on: June 18, 2022, 09:15:19 pm »
Just search for "Hollyoaks" on YouTube and the answer will be obvious.

Please not Hollyoaks!!! None of us have done anything to deserve that. I'll take 3 Free energy threads and a "water out of air device" discussion rather than watch one of those!

McBryce.

See there is a reason I let this nutter carry on, better to deal with the real stupid than the fictional one
 
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