AtmosAir Solution

[Dyaxxis]

https://www.atmosair.com/

Anyone's thoughts?

I wonder if their claims are what they are because it appears more like something along... solar roadways, "Batteriser", Fontus, uBeam (now sonicEnergy), and likewise things.

Thanks.

[SiliconWizard]

"The solution infuses the air with ions," - yeah, OK.
"AtmosAir is proven to neutralize coronavirus by 99.92%." - sure. Now you know it's for real.

[AVGresponding]

Bi-polar ionisation?

These scammers need to fuck right off. When they're done doing that, they can fuck off some more.

[Haenk]

This is actually a thing and not dodgy at all.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_ioniser

(German wikipedia has a article, even showing these tubes; you can probably find one in English as well.)

Essentially, this is an Ozone generator running at a somewhat lower voltage, so not a lot of Ozone is produced...

[AVGresponding]

Yes, it is technically a "thing", but the claims are pure bollocks.

Is there any type of ionisation (in context) than bi-polar? Ionisation creates positive and negative ions by borrowing an electron from one atom and lending it to another. It's bi-polar, end of.
The fact that they use the redundant term in their marketing wank speaks more to their intent than their science/engineering knowledge.

Ozone is a lung irritant, not sure you want that when you may be exposed to an airborne virus.

[Haenk]

Ozone is a lung irritant, not sure you want that when you may be exposed to an airborne virus.[/color][/size][/b]

To my understanding the voltage used is a bit lower and therefor only produces a minimum of ozone, well below tolerable workplace ratings. So - no ozone in the air.
A bit of googling revealed that Toyota built in exactly this technology, delivered by Sharp, as "Plasmacluster". I'd say this makes it pretty credible.

However I agree on the marketing blah blah, but show me one product without such a marketing

[SiliconWizard]

Ozone is a lung irritant, not sure you want that when you may be exposed to an airborne virus.[/color][/size][/b]

Absolutely. Ozone is good for water treatment. At the doses effective for "disinfection", it's highly poisonous.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6376815/

Next.

[AVGresponding]

Ozone is a lung irritant, not sure you want that when you may be exposed to an airborne virus.[/color][/size][/b]

To my understanding the voltage used is a bit lower and therefor only produces a minimum of ozone, well below tolerable workplace ratings. So - no ozone in the air.
A bit of googling revealed that Toyota built in exactly this technology, delivered by Sharp, as "Plasmacluster". I'd say this makes it pretty credible.

However I agree on the marketing blah blah, but show me one product without such a marketing

In the US, the FDA limits ozone concentrations to 0.05ppm in air for indoor medical equipment, and the OSHA regs limit constant exposure to 0.1ppm in air over 8 hours.
Cleaning solutions typically use 1000ppm.

Add to this a probable 1.8-3.4 viral RNA copies per litre of air in a contaminated area, what would you guess the chances are of there being enough ozone produced by this device to remove these viruses from the air?



https://www.epa.gov/indoor-air-quality-iaq/ozone-generators-are-sold-air-cleaners#:~:text=The%20Food%20and%20Drug%20Administration,0.10%20ppm%20for%208%20hours.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160412020317876

[Haenk]

Again, this is not intended to generate ozone at all. (It's just the same HV generator, that could be used to create ozone, if you raise the voltage).
The method is to ionize particles so they are sticking together, which means they can be filtered out much easier. These ionizers do require physical filters to be the most effective.
(But even without filtering, those larger particle are less likely to reach the inner parts of the lung, which makes them less dangerous. I assume, virii sticking together might get damaged and defunct, but this is just an assumption on my part.)

[AVGresponding]

Again, this is not intended to generate ozone at all. (It's just the same HV generator, that could be used to create ozone, if you raise the voltage).
The method is to ionize particles so they are sticking together, which means they can be filtered out much easier. These ionizers do require physical filters to be the most effective.
(But even without filtering, those larger particle are less likely to reach the inner parts of the lung, which makes them less dangerous. I assume, virii sticking together might get damaged and defunct, but this is just an assumption on my part.)

My bad, I didn't bother to read closely enough. Now I have, and it makes even less sense.

They talk about pushing these ionised atoms through commercial and domestic HVAC systems. These are almost universally metal ducted systems that are bonded to earth. Feel free to fill in the dots.

[Haenk]

Argh, it would be great if you just read about this system before commenting further.
The ionization happens just in the area of those HV tubes, and *of course* does not last very long. But long enough to let particles stick together. Right after the ionizer, there is (should be) a mechanical filter. The advantage: For very small particles, you'd usually need a very high HEPA grade; making the particel larger in dimension (because a couple of them stick together) allows a lower grade filter, so it does not need to be changed that often.

[AVGresponding]

Argh, it would be great if you just read about this system before commenting further.
The ionization happens just in the area of those HV tubes, and *of course* does not last very long. But long enough to let particles stick together. Right after the ionizer, there is (should be) a mechanical filter. The advantage: For very small particles, you'd usually need a very high HEPA grade; making the particel larger in dimension (because a couple of them stick together) allows a lower grade filter, so it does not need to be changed that often.

I did. Here's a copy-paste of the bullshit in question:

"The airflow distributes the energized ions into all of the spaces served by the HVAC system in an in-duct installation, or into the applicable space if a standalone unit is used. It’s that simple and elegant! The beauty of the AtmosAir system is just how easily it integrates into existing commercial and residential HVAC systems.

Unlike most air purification systems, AtmosAir seeks out and neutralizes the contaminants at their source. This is vastly superior to most air purification methods because it works “in the space” where we work and play. AtmosAir doesn’t wait for the pollutants to find their way into the filter within the air handler. Instead, air ions go to the contaminants in the space where you breathe, just as in nature."