Grants for Warp Drive Designs.

[joabel1971]

Here's your opportunity to show off your warp drive designs - and get paid for it. 

https://appliedphysics.org/warp-grants/

[joabel1971]

Here's your opportunity to show off your warp drive designs - and get paid for it. 

https://appliedphysics.org/warp-grants/

1.  If discussing Warp Drives seems forbidden, or intimidating for some people - don't worry about overused words like "space-time" or "dark-matter".
As of 2021 - scientists claim warp drives can be built with Newtonian mechanics.   

2.  So, I replaced my understanding of Big Bang Cosmology (not completely Newtonian) - with something completely Newtonian called "Plasma Cosmology". 
I also replaced my understanding of standardized, non-deterministic, non-Newtonian Quantum Theory - with a valid, completely Newtonian, deterministic alternative called Pilot Wave Theory. 

3.  These 2 changes - remove most questionable, non-testable scenarios - such as time-travel, and changing masses.   
So, it becomes alot easier to write a design - by assuming that galaxies are connected by filaments of Hydrogen Plasma (Intergalactic Birkeland Filaments) - instead of dark matter.

4.  Then, I taught myself about generating cold Hydrogen plasma (using the rest frequency of Hydrogen - 1.42 Ghz) - and was able to keep my design completely Newtonian.   
   
5.  Then, I asked the question - "How can buoyancy be exploited within the Cosmic Web - and be used to construct a buoyant, bubble-shaped plasma force-field?"  Boeing gave us a patent for plasma force-fields in 2015 - which was good enough for me.    And, over time - I ended up with a test-bed.   

6.  My design notes are attached, and open-sourced - and meant to give people some starting points.  The different aspects aren't in any particular order - simply because it hasn't been tested yet.    But, good luck with getting a grant!

[moffy]

A theory is only speculation or a fiction unless they make testable unique predictions that are observable and repeatable, the basic scientific method. Quantum mechanics had its origin with the photoelectric effect and Mr Einstein, and has many proveable predictions i.e. electronics and the many devices designed and built by using it. If you want to replace it, let me ask a practical question: What semiconductor devices have been successfully designed, built and characterised by the alternative "Pilot Wave Theory"? Since you are seeking converts amongst electronic engineers that would be a good place to start. 

[joabel1971]

A theory is only speculation or a fiction unless they make testable unique predictions that are observable and repeatable, the basic scientific method. Quantum mechanics had its origin with the photoelectric effect and Mr Einstein, and has many proveable predictions i.e. electronics and the many devices designed and built by using it. If you want to replace it, let me ask a practical question: What semiconductor devices have been successfully designed, built and characterised by the alternative "Pilot Wave Theory"? Since you are seeking converts amongst electronic engineers that would be a good place to start. 

I didn't create Plasma Cosmology, nor Pilot Wave Theory. 
Nonetheless, just because they weren't standardized - doesn't make them any less valid - or less available for use.   

To build a working, Newtonian Warp Drive - obviously requires a completely Newtonian machine, and a completely Newtonian environment.
These 2 scientific philosophies - are the alternatives that offer that.   It's what we have to work with.   

Standardized Quantum Theory does have a few Newtonian aspects that translate to buildable machines - but not ALL. 
So, I'm sorry if you like Einstein more - but you do have the freedom to choose. 

[moffy]

A theory is only speculation or a fiction unless they make testable unique predictions that are observable and repeatable, the basic scientific method. Quantum mechanics had its origin with the photoelectric effect and Mr Einstein, and has many proveable predictions i.e. electronics and the many devices designed and built by using it. If you want to replace it, let me ask a practical question: What semiconductor devices have been successfully designed, built and characterised by the alternative "Pilot Wave Theory"? Since you are seeking converts amongst electronic engineers that would be a good place to start. 

I didn't create Plasma Cosmology, nor Pilot Wave Theory. 
Nonetheless, just because they weren't standardized - doesn't make them any less valid - or less available for use.   

To build a working, Newtonian Warp Drive - obviously requires a completely Newtonian machine, and a completely Newtonian environment.
These 2 scientific philosophies - are the alternatives that offer that.   It's what we have to work with.   

And, I'm sorry if you like Einstein more - but you do have the freedom to choose.

So no proof as requested?

[joabel1971]

A theory is only speculation or a fiction unless they make testable unique predictions that are observable and repeatable, the basic scientific method. Quantum mechanics had its origin with the photoelectric effect and Mr Einstein, and has many proveable predictions i.e. electronics and the many devices designed and built by using it. If you want to replace it, let me ask a practical question: What semiconductor devices have been successfully designed, built and characterised by the alternative "Pilot Wave Theory"? Since you are seeking converts amongst electronic engineers that would be a good place to start. 

I didn't create Plasma Cosmology, nor Pilot Wave Theory. 
Nonetheless, just because they weren't standardized - doesn't make them any less valid - or less available for use.   

To build a working, Newtonian Warp Drive - obviously requires a completely Newtonian machine, and a completely Newtonian environment.
These 2 scientific philosophies - are the alternatives that offer that.   It's what we have to work with.   

And, I'm sorry if you like Einstein more - but you do have the freedom to choose.

So no proof as requested?

I don't know what proof you are looking for.   Testing of deterministic, Newtonian concepts is accessible to everyone - not just people in labs or observatories. 

I offer a completely deterministic, Newtonian, testable & provable design.  When using Standardized Quantum Theory - that is not always the case.   
You offer one example of how Quantum Theory has been applied successfully & beaten out competition.   1 example doesn't prove the rule.

Newtonian Mechanics surpassed theory - when people learned to use the scientific method (1500-1700).   
But, for the most part - non-deterministic testing of Quantum Theory is off limits to most people, anyway.

Deterministic, Newtonian testing is done by children everyday - on playgrounds.    I like that more - due to its accessibility - so I'm gonna stick with Newtonian & deterministic.   Especially if the scientists say we can now use it - for designing warp drives.   I'll take that as permission - so I don't need your permission or approval.     Good luck.

[Andy Chee]

I don't know what proof you are looking for.   

Proof that a warp field can be created.

[tszaboo]

I don't know what proof you are looking for.   

Proof that a warp field can be created.

I've seen it in the Star Trek documentary series.

[Stray Electron]

Here's your opportunity to show off your warp drive designs - and get paid for it. 

https://appliedphysics.org/warp-grants/

1.  If discussing Warp Drives seems forbidden, or intimidating for some people - don't worry about overused words like "space-time" or "dark-matter".
As of 2021 - scientists claim warp drives can be built with Newtonian mechanics.   

2.  So, I replaced my understanding of Big Bang Cosmology (not completely Newtonian) - with something completely Newtonian called "Plasma Cosmology". 
I also replaced my understanding of standardized, non-deterministic, non-Newtonian Quantum Theory - with a valid, completely Newtonian, deterministic alternative called Pilot Wave Theory. 

3.  These 2 changes - remove most questionable, non-testable scenarios - such as time-travel, and changing masses.   
So, it becomes alot easier to write a design - by assuming that galaxies are connected by filaments of Hydrogen Plasma (Intergalactic Birkeland Filaments) - instead of dark matter.

4.  Then, I taught myself about generating cold Hydrogen plasma (using the rest frequency of Hydrogen - 1.42 Ghz) - and was able to keep my design completely Newtonian.   
   
5.  Then, I asked the question - "How can buoyancy be exploited within the Cosmic Web - and be used to construct a buoyant, bubble-shaped plasma force-field?"  Boeing gave us a patent for plasma force-fields in 2015 - which was good enough for me.    And, over time - I ended up with a test-bed.   

6.  My design notes are attached, and open-sourced - and meant to give people some starting points.  The different aspects aren't in any particular order - simply because it hasn't been tested yet.    But, good luck with getting a grant!

  Where are these goofy posts coming from? There seem to be a lot of them here on this forum lately. 

[mawyatt]

One must consider when defying conventional physics the sources of this thinking. For any credibility these sources must have an extensive underlying knowledge and full understanding of conventional physics with a full formal education in such, then and only then can those sources be taken seriously.

Even then with credible backgrounds those sources can be flawed or with "other" intent, let's not forget the Cold Fusion with Pons and Fleischmann experiments which have never been properly duplicated to date.

However there are a few cases where conventional physics thinking has been challenged and even defeated, most common case in point is the semiconductor technology we all posses in our latest iPhones, laptops, and computers.

The chips involved should not be possible with conventional physics thinking, how on earth can one create a mass batch produced 3~5nm feature size chip with ~30 billion active devices within the size of a small fingernail, and with a wafer yield high enough to make the overall effort profitable

Another example is the Metamaterials which posses a Negative Index of Refraction

Also something we were involved with way back in mid 2000, which violated conventional physics theory for Bi-Phase Mixing (Multiplication by +-1) or even the mathematics of such. Conventional physics and applied mathematics teach the theoretical limit for a perfect Bi-Phase Mixing results in the reduction of the fundamental output by 2/pi or 3.92dB, thus the Noise Figure of a perfect Bi-Phase Mixer must be greater than 3.92dB.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/rf-microwave/polyphase-or-n-path-mixer/

You can imagine the flack received when the PolyPhase Mixer (PPM) was discussed with most folks predicting and showing NF <2dB (today likely measured <1dB), however when we discussed this concept to a couple DARPA Program Managers at an IEEE conference they listened.  Later we were awarded a very large $ contract with part due to the PPM, and later a special session was created at DARPA HQ just for this topic

So sometimes physics "rules" can be broken, but one must be very careful as there are many many claims of such and one should investigate the sources in detail before "buying in"

Best,

[joabel1971]

I don't know what proof you are looking for.   

Proof that a warp field can be created.

I've seen it in the Star Trek documentary series.

Star Trek TV & Movies rely on something called the "space-time" continuum for a "warp field" to be created.   "Space-time" is term reserved for the standardized Quantum Theory.   Since I am only considering Newtonian Mechanics - there is no such thing as "space-time".   Anybody who says they have measured it - or know what it is - isn't telling you the complete truth.   The closest thing that Newtonian Mechanics offers - is buoyancy or suspension.    And, since I am trying to exploit existing Birikeland Filaments (which potentially are made from hydrogen plasma) - then the question becomes, "How do you suspend a protective, hollow, spherical barrier within a plasma stream (in this case - our local Galactic Birkeland filament).   

Dusty plasmas (complex plasmas) are able to hold/suspend charged particles within themselves.  Dusty plasmas are already being created by human beings - by pouring large or small conductive particles - into a stream of ionized (charged) gas.  I read one article where the particles were made of plastic and were 1 cm in diameter.   The particles retain a charge, and then become buoyant (suspended) within the plasma stream.  These particles also tend to self-organize relative to other charged particles (through the mechanism of electrostatic repulsion - a Newtonian concept).   So, you hear words used like "epitaxial growth" - which doesn't accurately describe plasma-assisted self-organization - but it's not the first time that misleading/shortcut language has been used - to describe more complex mechanics. 

In real life - even lightweight conductive spheres (for example, a plastic beach ball) are not able to stay buoyant within space plasma & against Earth's gravity.    So, the idea is to create a spherical, protective barrier - that is closer in composition to a Birkeland filament.   Something like cold - yet highly ionized plasma.   So, I don't really see that the term "warp field" is necessary to create this type of buoyancy scenario.   From a Newtonian perspective - it appears the term "warp field" is misleading/shortcut language - meant to describe the function of warp drives on TV/Movies.   
 

[Alex Eisenhut]

Will we also have transporters, replicators, and holodecks? You'll get more grants that way.

[coppercone2]

I saw a self contained ball plasma from a power strip that exploded, it floated like a feather and vanished like a soap bubble when it hit a hard wood floor, and it glowed red orange like a spherical neon tube with some kinda turbulance in it.

dont really care about the theory but I know I saw it, I just wish I reached out and grabbed it but I was scared its possibly dangerous or radioactive

I don't know what could do that, a monopole, some kind of reaction, some ultra thin ceramic bubble, a condensate, etc

pretty sure its extremely rare, and for the last time it was nothing like any spark from pyrotechnics or electricity I have ever seen

but I am convinced plasma can do some freaky shit, it looks like some kind of GFX from half life games


it makes me think that whatever crazy ideas people have involving plasma might be a good place to start in terms of kooky research

[joabel1971]

However there are a few cases where conventional physics thinking has been challenged and even defeated, most common case in point is the semiconductor technology we all posses in our latest iPhones, laptops, and computers.

The chips involved should not be possible with conventional physics thinking, how on earth can one create a mass batch produced 3~5nm feature size chip with ~30 billion active devices within the size of a small fingernail, and with a wafer yield high enough to make the overall effort profitable

Another example is the Metamaterials which posses a Negative Index of Refraction

Also something we were involved with way back in mid 2000, which violated conventional physics theory for Bi-Phase Mixing (Multiplication by +-1) or even the mathematics of such. Conventional physics and applied mathematics teach the theoretical limit for a perfect Bi-Phase Mixing results in the reduction of the fundamental output by 2/pi or 3.92dB, thus the Noise Figure of a perfect Bi-Phase Mixer must be greater than 3.92dB.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/rf-microwave/polyphase-or-n-path-mixer/


Electrical Engineering uses something called "Imaginary numbers" to model Smith Charts - but that terminology is only used to distinguish real from reactive components within a circuit.   It doesn't mean you can actually calculate SQRT(-1) - it's just a modeling convention (an interpretation).

The same goes for your examples.

You can imagine the flack received when the PolyPhase Mixer (PPM) was discussed with most folks predicting and showing NF <2dB (today likely measured <1dB), however when we discussed this concept to a couple DARPA Program Managers at an IEEE conference they listened.  Later we were awarded a very large $ contract with part due to the PPM, and later a special session was created at DARPA HQ just for this topic

A few isolated cases are given here - but Newtonian Mechanics offers more than a few.   In fact, if you look hard enough, and reevaluate even your above examples - there's potentially a Newtonian way to describe them, as well.  But, people like shortcuts to describe things.  

So sometimes physics "rules" can be broken, but one must be very careful as there are many many claims of such and one should investigate the sources in detail before "buying in"  

Actually, no - the rules of Newtonian cannot be broken.   That's a false statement. 

Best,

[joabel1971]

Will we also have transporters, replicators, and holodecks? You'll get more grants that way.

If you find offered grants for other Star Trek-type technologies - you are welcome to start a new thread and discuss them. 

[joabel1971]

Here's your opportunity to show off your warp drive designs - and get paid for it. 

https://appliedphysics.org/warp-grants/

1.  If discussing Warp Drives seems forbidden, or intimidating for some people - don't worry about overused words like "space-time" or "dark-matter".
As of 2021 - scientists claim warp drives can be built with Newtonian mechanics.   

2.  So, I replaced my understanding of Big Bang Cosmology (not completely Newtonian) - with something completely Newtonian called "Plasma Cosmology". 
I also replaced my understanding of standardized, non-deterministic, non-Newtonian Quantum Theory - with a valid, completely Newtonian, deterministic alternative called Pilot Wave Theory. 

3.  These 2 changes - remove most questionable, non-testable scenarios - such as time-travel, and changing masses.   
So, it becomes alot easier to write a design - by assuming that galaxies are connected by filaments of Hydrogen Plasma (Intergalactic Birkeland Filaments) - instead of dark matter.

4.  Then, I taught myself about generating cold Hydrogen plasma (using the rest frequency of Hydrogen - 1.42 Ghz) - and was able to keep my design completely Newtonian.   
   
5.  Then, I asked the question - "How can buoyancy be exploited within the Cosmic Web - and be used to construct a buoyant, bubble-shaped plasma force-field?"  Boeing gave us a patent for plasma force-fields in 2015 - which was good enough for me.    And, over time - I ended up with a test-bed.   

6.  My design notes are attached, and open-sourced - and meant to give people some starting points.  The different aspects aren't in any particular order - simply because it hasn't been tested yet.    But, good luck with getting a grant!

  Where are these goofy posts coming from? There seem to be a lot of them here on this forum lately.

There's been a resurgence in the topic of actually building a physical warp drive over the last several years.   It kindof started in 2021, when Eric Lentz released a peer-reviewed paper - showing that positive-energy can be used to create warp drives.   Since then, other peer-reviewed papers have tried to describe ways of reducing that positive-energy requirement.   Now, Applied Physics is offering grants for new designs & just released some software to try to model new designs.   So, more and more researchers are now taking it seriously.   

Lentz's paper:   https://arxiv.org/abs/2201.00652
 

[Alex Eisenhut]

Can we go so fast we devolve into salamanders? Star Trek's equally plausible biology is often overlooked in the scientific literature.

[coppercone2]

Can we go so fast we devolve into salamanders? Star Trek's equally plausible biology is often overlooked in the scientific literature.

just you wait, I already had this argument 20 years ago about the Gorn fight, and they finally found elemental sulfur crystals on mars.

[Infraviolet]

"I saw a self contained ball plasma"
Might have been something related to the ball lightning phenomena sometimes discussed but very rarely observed, all manner of theories about exactly what it might be, some suggest strange behaviour due to "rydberg" atoms with unusual ionisation states. One thing it definitely will not be is radioactive though, radioactivity requires very high energy process (Mega electron volts) in an atomic nucleus, plasma phenomena, except when contained in the heart f a star or a fusion reactor, are only going to ever reach the sort of energies associated with electron states (tens of electron volts).

On the overall topic of the thread: Applied Physics, if they hope to improve space exploration capabilities within a meaningful timescale, might better direct their grants in to restarting the NERVA programme, or seeing if the VASIMR concept can ever be taken from concept to prototype, rather than chasing highly theoretical warp drives.

[coppercone2]

I dunno what if its cold fusion or something? because it had a turbulence it made me think two things are working together. its so unexplained I would seriously not put any trust in whatever theories have for it in terms of safety

[mawyatt]

However there are a few cases where conventional physics thinking has been challenged and even defeated, most common case in point is the semiconductor technology we all posses in our latest iPhones, laptops, and computers.

The chips involved should not be possible with conventional physics thinking, how on earth can one create a mass batch produced 3~5nm feature size chip with ~30 billion active devices within the size of a small fingernail, and with a wafer yield high enough to make the overall effort profitable

Another example is the Metamaterials which posses a Negative Index of Refraction

Also something we were involved with way back in mid 2000, which violated conventional physics theory for Bi-Phase Mixing (Multiplication by +-1) or even the mathematics of such. Conventional physics and applied mathematics teach the theoretical limit for a perfect Bi-Phase Mixing results in the reduction of the fundamental output by 2/pi or 3.92dB, thus the Noise Figure of a perfect Bi-Phase Mixer must be greater than 3.92dB.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/rf-microwave/polyphase-or-n-path-mixer/


Electrical Engineering uses something called "Imaginary numbers" to model Smith Charts - but that terminology is only used to distinguish real from reactive components within a circuit.   It doesn't mean you can actually calculate SQRT(-1) - it's just a modeling convention (an interpretation).

The same goes for your examples.

What does this have to do with the concept of the PolyPhase Mixer? BTW Mathematicians use "i" and Engineers use "j" simply because "i" is dedicated to current in EE terms.

You can imagine the flack received when the PolyPhase Mixer (PPM) was discussed with most folks predicting and showing NF <2dB (today likely measured <1dB), however when we discussed this concept to a couple DARPA Program Managers at an IEEE conference they listened.  Later we were awarded a very large $ contract with part due to the PPM, and later a special session was created at DARPA HQ just for this topic

A few isolated cases are given here - but Newtonian Mechanics offers more than a few.   In fact, if you look hard enough, and reevaluate even your above examples - there's potentially a Newtonian way to describe them, as well.  But, people like shortcuts to describe things.  

Has nothing to do with Newtonian Mechanics or anything related to such, how does your NM explain the Fourier Analysis of Bi-Phase Multiplication and the PolyPhase Mixer?

So sometimes physics "rules" can be broken, but one must be very careful as there are many many claims of such and one should investigate the sources in detail before "buying in"  

Actually, no - the rules of Newtonian cannot be broken.   That's a false statement. 
 
Physics entails quite a bit more than Newtonian, how does your Newtonian Physics explain Quantum Entanglement, Semiconductor Physics, atomic and sub-atomic behavior, the emission of photons from a PN junction, and so on?

Don't hide, we are all awaiting your detailed explanations of how your Newtonian Mechanics can explain all the concepts you state it can. Here's your chance to show your total understanding of such  

Best,

[Alex Eisenhut]

rather than chasing highly theoretical warp drives.

What? As mentioned by the OP, these are "technologies" we see in Star Trek, ie actual real things you can buy.

Are you telling me Star Trek isn't real? No green women with dancer's legs? No salt-sucking vampires?

I've been tricked!

[coppercone2]

rather than chasing highly theoretical warp drives.

What? As mentioned by the OP, these are "technologies" we see in Star Trek, ie actual real things you can buy.

Are you telling me Star Trek isn't real? No green women with dancer's legs? No salt-sucking vampires?

I've been tricked!

i poured water on some kiln brick coating that got fired after it cooled down and WOW does it suck water. it makes a hissing noise it absorbs water so fast. its practically a vampire lol, I thought it was boiling

[Alex Eisenhut]

rather than chasing highly theoretical warp drives.

What? As mentioned by the OP, these are "technologies" we see in Star Trek, ie actual real things you can buy.

Are you telling me Star Trek isn't real? No green women with dancer's legs? No salt-sucking vampires?

I've been tricked!

i poured water on some kiln brick coating that got fired after it cooled down and WOW does it suck water. it makes a hissing noise it absorbs water so fast. its practically a vampire lol, I thought it was boiling

Wrong episode! You're thinking of the Belt People who grab their belt buckle and go boink! like in Bewitched and turn crew members into bricks.

But hey if they look like this, who cares?

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Kelinda

[Gyro]

Boink? Seriously? You really think advanced alien technology would go "boink"?