Bullshit: Texzon Wireless Power

[PA0PBZ]

First you'd have to build a receiver capable of receiving a guided wave, then give it the precision to tune to 8 or more decimal points to resonate the circuit. Good luck building the receiver to those specifications, and better luck finding the broadcast frequency.

It just might be that is why frequency counters where invented? After that it is just a question of tuning for max power... yes, like you do when tuning in to a radios station, no magic involved.

[mikeselectricstuff]

First you'd have to build a receiver capable of receiving a guided wave, then give it the precision to tune to 8 or more decimal points to resonate the circuit. Good luck building the receiver to those specifications, and better luck finding the broadcast frequency.

It just might be that is why frequency counters where invented? After that it is just a question of tuning for max power... yes, like you do when tuning in to a radios station, no magic involved.

And what happens as soon as you start drawing power from a resonant circuit?
Things only resonate sharply because the energy has nowhere else to go.

[PA0PBZ]

And what happens as soon as you start drawing power from a resonant circuit?
Things only resonate sharply because the energy has nowhere else to go.

A.K.A high Q, unloaded circuit.

[bd139]

You can only draw power from a resonant circuit if you can get it there.

Power density equation (and its derivation!) tends to kill this dead. This to charge a smartphone on the other side of the house think 628kw transmitter

[zenneckwave]

You made my point, its not really magic, its a known principle of electromagnetism, to use the earth as the guide surface, just like the EMF traveling along a conductor.

To steal the power, you have to have the ability to craft a circuit that has the tuning tolerances to 0.00000001 Hz. Your car radio goes out 1 decimal place...

You got a freq counter that can tune in increments of .00000001? Not being facetious at all, I'm genuinely asking

[PA0PBZ]

Power density equation (and its derivation!) tends to kill this dead. This to charge a smartphone on the other side of the house think 628kw transmitter

Oh come on, you know Zenneck waves are immune to that!

[bd139]

You got a freq counter that can tune in increments of .00000001? Not being facetious at all, I'm genuinely asking

No. Have you?

Even the most stable oscillators cannot maintain that frequency stability. Also things like Doppler shift. Imagine a car driving away from the source. That will cause the frequency to decrease. Also general relativity causes problems there - look at GPS and time dilation.

Power density equation (and its derivation!) tends to kill this dead. This to charge a smartphone on the other side of the house think 628kw transmitter

Oh come on, you know Zenneck waves are immune to that!

Only on Tuesdays 

[PA0PBZ]

You got a freq counter that can tune in increments of .00000001? Not being facetious at all, I'm genuinely asking

No. Have you?

Me neither, my counter doesn't tune

[zenneckwave]

Hertzian (norton ground waves) waves have different properties than guided waves. For example, one of the main differences is that the lower you go in Hz, the more efficient they become.

There are more types of EMF than just HZ/RF.

Most of the gnashing of teeth here is simply due to the lack of understanding guided waves. Most everything said here holds true for Hertzian waves. But hardly any of it applies to guided waves! Jonathan Zenneck - look him up

[zenneckwave]

All hertzian issues... there is no signal loss like that of inverse square with guided waves.

[bd139]

All hertzian issues... there is no signal loss like that of inverse square with guided waves.

Put your money where your mouth is and show me a paper explaining it with derivations. I’ve done most of the Feynman books.

I know who Jonathan Zenneck is.

[zenneckwave]

This whole thread isnt going to age well for you guys... the groupthink is on display big time.

The article I linked I just came to read the 'opposition' from the article I linked showing the completion of the tower, since the article mentioned this forum explicitly. Smae ol stuff I've been hearing for 5 years. Most of it incorrectly tries to link hertzian wave propagation to this technology, as was done here.

I know the system works, because:

I know who the investors are
I know who the inventor is

[ogden]

I know the system works, because:

I know who the investors are
I know who the inventor is

I did not see system working but I did see names. LOL.

[zenneckwave]

What is available for public consumption on the math and science has already been posted here. The company does not have to show you how it works. When its launched in a few weeks, we can regroup and chat more. I have nothing further to add; I just wanted to show this group the tower since you were mentioned in the article, and read what was being said about the 'bullshit'

[PA0PBZ]

When its launched in a few weeks, we can regroup and chat more.

Cool, I'm looking forward to it and I expect you to be back in this thread to let us know the moment is there?

[zenneckwave]

I know the system works, because:

I know who the investors are
I know who the inventor is

I did not see system working but I did see names. LOL.

I didnt see the big bang, but believed it happened. I havent seen an atom, but know they exist because I've split them.

I know they've conducted tests they havent talked about. I know the results of those successful tests.

They have all he funding they need, and then some. Not because they talk about it, because they've demo'd it. 

[zenneckwave]

When its launched in a few weeks, we can regroup and chat more.

Cool, I'm looking forward to it and I expect you to be back in this thread to let us know the moment is there?

Yes, Ive bookmarked and will be back after the launch.

[bd139]

This whole thread isnt going to age well for you guys... the groupthink is on display big time.

The article I linked I just came to read the 'opposition' from the article I linked showing the completion of the tower, since the article mentioned this forum explicitly. Smae ol stuff I've been hearing for 5 years. Most of it incorrectly tries to link hertzian wave propagation to this technology, as was done here.

I know the system works, because:

I know who the investors are
I know who the inventor is

It’s not group think.

1.  No evidence has been shown of it working.
2.  The physics don’t make sense based on current understanding and propose no new understanding or mathematical models which are independently verifiable.
3.  There are a hundred other people making the same claims with no delivery going back 50-100 years now.
4.  You show no understanding.
5.  Names mean nothing. Look up Nobel Syndrome.
6.  Investors mean nothing (I have worked with many VCs over the years)
7.  The pivotal idea is concentrating on one unrealistic factor.

As an atheist, this has more credibility than you or the project: https://arkencounter.com

If it looks like it works it’ll be a mechanical Turk.

[CJay]

When its launched in a few weeks

And your appearance here has *nothing* to do with google's first hit for Texzon wireless power being the title of this thread.

That bloody unicorn in my back garden is chatting the hind legs off my pet Kraken...

 

 

[alsetalokin4017]

I like the Corum brothers. Anyone interested in modern Tesla coil theory and practice should read their work. If anyone can do real power transmission via guided waves they would be the ones.

I've done some small experiments in wireless power transfer systems myself. One problem is what I call "inadvertent reception" where things become energized that you don't necessarily want to be. If receiver tuning needs to be as sharp as all that, maybe inadvertent reception is less of a problem.

I'm confused about the frequency counter question. I have an old Philips PM6676 ocxo counter that has 9 significant digits of resolution maximum, depending on frequency and gate time. I'm pretty sure modern counters can do much better than that.

(oops, only 9 sig digs after all...)

[Bud]

This whole thread isnt going to age well for you guys... the groupthink is on display big time.
.....
I know who the investors are
I know who the inventor is

Yes yes, just like it was with uBeam. We are still well and alive.

[bd139]

I like the Corum brothers. Anyone interested in modern Tesla coil theory and practice should read their work. If anyone can do real power transmission via guided waves they would be the ones.

I've done some small experiments in wireless power transfer systems myself. One problem is what I call "inadvertent reception" where things become energized that you don't necessarily want to be. If receiver tuning needs to be as sharp as all that, maybe inadvertent reception is less of a problem.

I'm confused about the frequency counter question. I have an old Philips PM6676 ocxo counter that has 9 significant digits of resolution maximum, depending on frequency and gate time. I'm pretty sure modern counters can do much better than that.

(oops, only 9 sig digs after all...)

Thats not actually that bad. I live up the road from NPL so I can nip in there and borrow one 

The problem is how do you build a resonator with that level of accuracy that is thermally stable and that’s ignoring the other claims. If something has to have that precision and high Q then even moving it relative to the source will detune it.

[alsetalokin4017]

It has to have some kind of autoresonator locking system, like a PLL. The systems I play with have the transmitter varying frequency to stay in resonance with the receiver as conditions change, but it should be able to do it the other way around too, no?

[alsetalokin4017]

Just for fun:

[bd139]

That's not particularly difficult to achieve without breaking any laws.

What you have there is (doing a finger in the air) ~5 femto-farad capacitor between the coils. To get any coupling between the two you have to have a seriously large dV/dt which is why you require a tesla coil. The denominator of the capacitor is distance so the further the distance, the higher the dv/dt is required.

Unfortunately the initial distance is precisely one metric fuck all so that denominator on the capacitance formula, neatly derived from Gauss' law adds up pretty quickly. Which is why Tesla fell flat on his arse. To get any kind of coupling, you need to stick MW in to get W out. Plus also sheep and things will probably catch fire in the near field.

If you fuck with physics it will lead to disappointment, if it doesn't fuck you back first.