Amazing Tesla experiments! Totally new science

[ataradov]

Not really. You are supplying high-frequency AC voltage to the light bulb. This can create a lot of interactions.

I would start with direct measurement of the EM field around the light bulb.

[Deco56]

Not interesting? Ok, well I suppose an difference of opinions there. Seems interesting to me. EM fields would be a good thing to measure no doubt, but it wouldn't really explain the direct attraction force shown there because copper tape usually responds very weakly (unless it is a very strong magnetic field - in which case wouldn't the recording be affected too?) to a magnetic field. Seems almost like an electrostatic effect.

[ataradov]

What is "very weakly". Where are calculations? That's the kind of stuff that goes into the article. Why would recording from a distance be affected by a local EM fields around the bulb?

If it "seems" like something, why not setup a next experiment and do the measurements to prove or disprove the theory?

You see, you need to try your hardest to disprove that there is a new science and try to explain the observed things using existing science.

For now I don't see anything interesting here. And I think I'm done with this discussion.

[Deco56]

Edit: it was an aluminum leaf.

The website in my OP has a very detailed breakdown of apparatus used and experimental set up. I would love to try this experiment myself if I had the funds to do so. I encourage anyone who is interested to try it themselves.

[Cyberdragon]

What is the effect? I actually went and looked the minute 30 if the video. I see a light bulb with a piece of paper powered by some noisy transformer-like device.

What do you think is so interesting about that? What is new?

Just looks like a bunch of numpties that don't understand basic HF effects like capactive coupling. Of course you can light a bulb with a singe wire if you pump enough high frequency current into it, that's how a lot of Tesla's original HF lighting systems worked. People just find some obscure piece of old science/tech and think "OOOH MAGIC!"

Not interesting? Ok, well I suppose an difference of opinions there. Seems interesting to me. EM fields would be a good thing to measure no doubt, but it wouldn't really explain the direct attraction force shown there because copper tape usually responds very weakly (unless it is a very strong magnetic field - in which case wouldn't the recording be affected too?) to a magnetic field. Seems almost like an electrostatic effect.

Of course it's electrostatic...that's how capacitors and capacitive coupling works. If your return electrode is malleable, the dielectric is air, and the distance is short enough, of course it will move, it's at an apposite charge (in this case rapidly changing).

[Deco56]

Most people don't even recognize Tesla's single wire system and it almost never talked about. I never claimed it was magic. However, most engineers would not even recognize a single wire system is even possible, let alone "old science". I am happy you have a good historic background on the subject, it is refreshing.

As far as capacitative coupling, I would like to agree but seeing as the distance  between the light and piece of malleable tape is more than a millimeter wide, the capacitance would be extremely low, almost negligible. On top of that if the current supplied is truly high frequency then how would that explain the unidirectional attractive force? So I dont think it is just capacitative coupling.

Edit: I could be wrong on the capacitative coupling point....the object in question - from source of light to copper tape seems to be at least 2-3 cm away conservatively. This makes the capacitance less than a nanofarad....I could be wrong just thinking out loud here. Can someone reproduce this effect?

[james_s]

Just looks like a bunch of numpties that don't understand basic HF effects like capactive coupling. Of course you can light a bulb with a singe wire if you pump enough high frequency current into it, that's how a lot of Tesla's original HF lighting systems worked. People just find some obscure piece of old science/tech and think "OOOH MAGIC!"

Wasn't he focused on wireless lighting? That does work to a degree, it's a classic Tesla coil experiment that I've done myself. Pump enough RF into a room and fluorescent tubes several feet away will light up. It's cool, but not very useful as it knocks out radio reception and you tend to get RF burns if you touch grounded metal objects. Been there, done that.

[Deco56]

Wireless lighting was more of a neat side effect to his experiments rather than his main intent. Seeing as Tesla did innumerable experiments and was a man of great capabilities, it is no surprise he covered a lot of different  sub-topics.

See? Not everyone is familiar with the single wire currents. This is fun, a good exchange of information  and experiences here. Thank you!

[magic]

It's funny how you all claim to be scientific and objective and then don't even try the experiments out yourselves or do any sort of investigation. The effects shown at the 30 minute mark of the video I referenced is very similar to the effects shown in this video as well: https://youtu.be/3uXL4_Yas2k

Because maybe 5 people on this forum actually care about Tesla coils

Because you demand to spend half an hour on YT just to understand what you are talking about.

Because there is a thousand videos with Tesla coils, sparks and shit and you haven't explained how this one is any better.

Talk about being humble 

Keep this virtue signaling for brainwashed the American-Liberal-Judeochristian-Democratic-Progressive-Scientific crowd, it will work on many (though not all) of them
Some of us are know-it-all a**holes and proud of it.

[Deco56]

"Because there is a thousand videos with Tesla coils, sparks and shit and you haven't explained how this one is any better."

Thanks for reading the whole thread and really adding to this topic.

....and claiming to be a know it all LOL. So if you know so much, why waste time on this forum replying to me? You should be out saving the world with all your knowledge.

[magic]

Is there not a thousand Tesla coil videos or have you actually explained what's going on in the one you linked and why it's any more interesting than the others?

You don't even seem to claim that it's able to produce free energy this time.
If you at least got it working to the point of making free enerngy, maybe there would be some interest in watching it and duplicating the machine.

[magic]

....and claiming to be a know it all LOL. So if you know so much, why waste time on this forum replying to me? You should be out saving the world with all your knowledge.

Because I know that you are wrong

[Deco56]

In the interest of time, I would prefer  not to repeat myself so you can read the thread to catch up on what I found interesting and how it could be explained and replicated. If you have access to videos showing similar effects on single wire current, please share!

[Cyberdragon]

Most people don't even recognize Tesla's single wire system and it almost never talked about. I never claimed it was magic. However, most engineers would not even recognize a single wire system is even possible, let alone "old science". I am happy you have a good historic background on the subject, it is refreshing.

As far as capacitative coupling, I would like to agree but seeing as the distance  between the light and piece of malleable tape is more than a millimeter wide, the capacitance would be extremely low, almost negligible. On top of that if the current supplied is truly high frequency then how would that explain the unidirectional attractive force? So I dont think it is just capacitative coupling.

Edit: I could be wrong on the capacitative coupling point....the object in question - from source of light to copper tape seems to be at least 2-3 cm away conservatively. This makes the capacitance less than a nanofarad....I could be wrong just thinking out loud here. Can someone reproduce this effect?

Impedance drops as frequency increases. Also, it IS vibrating at high frequency due to the alternating current, the frequency is just high enough that the material can't physically move vary far before the polarity equalizes again, so the net result is attarction. You might be able to detect the vibrations with some form of ultrasonic sensing.

In Tesla's one wire system descriptions and schematics there is always some form of dedicated return plate/electrode to be placed in the room, preferably hidden near the lamps for maximum coupling.

I definately want to experiment with 1 wire systems and ultimate goal for awesome steampunk lab lighting (obviously with a normal 2-wire as well for when the EMI gets too much). People have experimented with 1-wire lighting recenly (with experiments such as adding gasses to carbon-button lamps to increase output and lifespan).

These guys seem mosty legit, a bit nuts like Tesla himself but legit (in the sense of actual scientific method, at least from what I see). Ignore the anti-gravity thing...it's a joke (the page itself debunks anti-gravity).

https://antigravity.net.au/about-us/

[Cyberdragon]

Is there not a thousand Tesla coil videos or have you actually explained what's going on in the one you linked and why it's any more interesting than the others?

You don't even seem to claim that it's able to produce free energy this time.
If you at least got it working to the point of making free enerngy, maybe there would be some interest in watching it and duplicating the machine.

Most tesla coil peeps just shoot random sparks and go "ooo look, mini lightning!", then even go so far as so put some shit chopper circuit to make "notes" and if you put a proper audio driver on it you get a plasma speaker, which is cool, but still in the overdone catagory. This is why people like you think Telsa tech is just a bunch of toys and don't understand the original intent, because so few people actually build proper tuned circuits and HF experiments to use tesla coils for what they were originally designed for.

[BU508A]

"Oh if I havent seen that effect before it cant be real so I wont even bother watching it because we already know everything there is to know about electricity and science".....is that the logic?

Because, since Richard P. Feynman and others having invented the theory of the Quantum Electro Dynamics (in short: QED), we do have a very good and well proven theory of everything about what's going on with electrons and photons.
If something new is coming the way, then it has to be considered in respect to the QED.
Like it or not, it is as ataradov ist saying: real science is about articles and papers and not a questionable youtube video.

[magic]

Most tesla coil peeps just shoot random sparks and go "ooo look, mini lightning!", then even go so far as so put some shit chopper circuit to make "notes" and if you put a proper audio driver on it you get a plasma speaker, which is cool, but still in the overdone catagory. This is why people like you think Telsa tech is just a bunch of toys and don't understand the original intent, because so few people actually build proper tuned circuits and HF experiments to use tesla coils for what they were originally designed for.

Okay, so you are one of those 5 people
I have heard that Tesla experimented with that stuff for wireless power transmission or something like that. So I guess lighting lightbulbs is close to the original intent indeed.

It looks to me like those "single wire" setups create a strong AC electric field tapering off with distance and that's what causes current flow through conductors aligned with the field's gradient, proportionally to the distance, conductor length and stuff like that. I guess it does go beyond the usual kindergarten level theory of electricity (electrons move through conductors, if you open the switch the bulb turns off), but in which universe is it cutting edge science

[mnementh]

Wireless lighting was more of a neat side effect to his experiments rather than his main intent. Seeing as Tesla did innumerable experiments and was a man of great capabilities, it is no surprise he covered a lot of different  sub-topics.

See? Not everyone is familiar with the single wire currents. This is fun, a good exchange of information  and experiences here. Thank you!

That's because with these setups, the resistance is SO high that there is no CURRENT flow to speak of. Megavolts at picoAmps at high frequencies. It is trying to get work done out of the emissions of a radio broadcast (In case you didn't know, radio broadcast at anything more than a few meters literally will not power a 3" speaker directly); you can transmit DATA this way, but NOT horsepower.

This is the stuff of voodoo electronics; You pump 1000x as much energy into the system as you get actual work done out of it. The bottom line is IS the bottom line; the math involved is literally grade-school arithmetic. EVERYTHING ELSE you see there is just a fat load of dingoes' kidneys.

mnem
OTOH, I guess we should just be glad the guy isn't going from town to town electrocuting small animals like Edison did... 

[bd139]

Dunno about that. I like the smell of a good barbecue

[mnementh]

Edison almost wound up burned at the stake in one small town; one of the critters he fried was a dog that belonged to the mayor's daughter and she was present for his little HV circus. 

mnem
 

[BU508A]

In short: Edison was an asshole.

[mnementh]

Eeeehhh... he was a businessman. He was part carny barker, part loan shark... he figured out the business of inventing in a time when there was no such thing. Tesla was the polar opposite; a true scientist interested in science for its own sake and the betterment of humanity.

Westinghouse wisely chose to leverage Edison's business talents as reign on Tesla's immense genius; it was quite the accomplishment, getting people to pay money for electrical power when the "fuel" came essentially for free in the form of moving water. But that created the fundamental business model by which other forms of power were delivered, and to a large extent, how the economy of our entire modern society now runs, for good or evil.    The elites of the time were outraged because it in large part meant that wealth was no longer automatically part and parcel of who won the parentage lottery.

However, as with any system; once it's been established, the "elites" will find a way to corrupt it to their own ends. It is only during those brief periods while the current paradigm is in flux that there is any real social equity.

mnem
/soapbox

[Cyberdragon]

Wireless lighting was more of a neat side effect to his experiments rather than his main intent. Seeing as Tesla did innumerable experiments and was a man of great capabilities, it is no surprise he covered a lot of different  sub-topics.

See? Not everyone is familiar with the single wire currents. This is fun, a good exchange of information  and experiences here. Thank you!

That's because with these setups, the resistance is SO high ..

I'm gonna stop you right there...first of all it's IMPEDANCE at HF AC. Second of all these were tuned systems to try and squeeze at much power out as possible. Telsa was a nut but he was not stupid. Third, that was the turn of the century era, they didn''t have LEDs or solid state electronics. (It wasn't even until his later years that vacuum tubes, with the advent of tube radio transmitter, became powerful enough to use for driving coils). So no, they were not effecient by todays standards, but neither were the carbon filament bulbs of the era either.

EDIT: The orginal system's return plates were also not tiny foil bits, they were massive metal plates that were meant to be embedded in a wall/floor. Carbon button lamps are also really effecient (similar to modern HID), but we're talking about system effeciency here, not indevedual lamps.

[Deco56]

Thanks for the discussion guys. I do see the malleable tape vibrating, but if it vibrates back and forth how would it be attracted in one particular direction? Interesting nonetheless.

Edit: To be clear, Tesla's magnifying transmitter was not intended to transmit wirelessly. Instead, he would use the Earth as his single wire conductor and have another Tesla receiver placed anywhere on Earth that would pick up this current being sent through the Earth, and in that sense it was "wireless". No wires connecting the two transceivers, just the Earth acting as a conductor in between them.

[Cerebus]

Most tesla coil peeps just shoot random sparks and go "ooo look, mini lightning!", then even go so far as so put some shit chopper circuit to make "notes" and if you put a proper audio driver on it you get a plasma speaker, which is cool, but still in the overdone catagory.

Anyone who would describe the ability to play rock guitar via lightning as "overdone" has no soul and no sense of fun.