Microturbine

[Smokey]

It's almost like you don't trust him!?  Just set up his Indigogo already!

It was already setup the day before this thread was created. 
...

.... https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/why-dont-we-make-use-of-water-wheels/?all

...Coincidence.....?

[beanflying]

Serg has a legal non technical background while the other is a 'Technical' Nutter 

[langwadt]

It's almost like you don't trust him!?  Just set up his Indigogo already!

It was already setup the day before this thread was created. 
...

.... https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/why-dont-we-make-use-of-water-wheels/?all

...Coincidence.....?

more like , https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/unusual-design-of-a-free-flow-hydropower-station/

[Serg2000]

Updated

Here is one of the projects of our team.
This is a Pre-Launch-Page
Just click on the pix

[ebastler]

Hey Sergey, interesting to see you back.

I am not sure whether it is acceptable on this forum to re-join under a different account name after you have been banned. You might want to seek approval from the admins, explaining why you consider this appropriate.

[Serg2000]

Hey Sergey, interesting to see you back.

I am not sure whether it is acceptable on this forum to re-join under a different account name after you have been banned. You might want to seek approval from the admins, explaining why you consider this appropriate.

Who you are ? Do we know each other ?

[Serg2000]

[Halcyon]

Hydro is that you again?

pardon ?

He asked a very reasonable question. Considering you're the same human behind both accounts, do you want to look silly in front of everyone and pretend you're someone else, or are you going to admit that you created another account after you were banned? Decide carefully because my tolerance for games is low today.

[EEVblog]

Hydro is that you again?

pardon ?

He asked a very reasonable question. Considering you're the same human behind both accounts, do you want to look silly in front of everyone and pretend you're someone else, or are you going to admit that you created another account after you were banned? Decide carefully because my tolerance for games is low today.

 

[ebastler]

Hey Sergey, interesting to see you back.

I am not sure whether it is acceptable on this forum to re-join under a different account name after you have been banned. You might want to seek approval from the admins, explaining why you consider this appropriate.

Who you are ? Do we know each other ?

Just penpals from your earlier visit here as "Hydro"...

It's a step in the right direction that you now disclose your affiliation with ERG, rather than trying to act as an undercover claqueur. Like Halcyon, I would encourage you to be open about your background and intent.

In that spirit, could you clarify your location? You claim to be US-based, both in your forum profile and on Indiegogo -- but actually seem to be based in Uzbekistan?

[Serg2000]

Hey Sergey, interesting to see you back.

I am not sure whether it is acceptable on this forum to re-join under a different account name after you have been banned. You might want to seek approval from the admins, explaining why you consider this appropriate.

Who you are ? Do we know each other ?

Just penpals from your earlier visit here as "Hydro"...

It's a step in the right direction that you now disclose your affiliation with ERG, rather than trying to act as an undercover claqueur. Like Halcyon, I would encourage you to be open about your background and intent.

In that spirit, could you clarify your location? You claim to be US-based, both in your forum profile and on Indiegogo -- but actually seem to be based in Uzbekistan?

I don't know you. I don’t know your last name or first name.
If you corresponded with someone from our team, then obviously not with me.
And your statements look strange. If a Microsoft employee writes to you, will you be sure that Bill Gates is writing to you?

I am a resident of Uzbekistan (and another country), but I don’t always live in Uzbekistan and travel a lot.
On the forum, I wrote the country of location, because crowdfunding companies accept applications only from applicants from certain countries who have accounts in banks in these countries. Uzbekistan is not included in this list.

We have a US registered company from which the application is being submitted. That's why I put this flag up so that visitors won't have any questions about the legitimacy of submitting an application to kickstarter.

Have I answered your questions?

[ebastler]

I don't know you. I don’t know your last name or first name.
If you corresponded with someone from our team, then obviously not with me.
And your statements look strange. If a Microsoft employee writes to you, will you be sure that Bill Gates is writing to you?

I don't think you need to know my name. In contrast to you, I am not running a crowdfunding campaign and pitching it here.

Since ERG is a tad smaller than Microsoft, I do indeed assume that "Serg" from ERG is Sergey Shevtsow, their "Chief Product Officer". If I am mistaken, feel free to correct me. And no, you and I have not corresponded via email or such; just discussed here on the forum when you were registered as Hydro. (Which you were, right? You have not commented on that yet.)

Thanks for the clarification regarding your location. I'll take your word for the US entity, and would hope that Indiegogo verifies such things. I never understood why those seeking funding on that platform don't have to disclose their company details to the audience of potential backers; but apparently that's how they work.

[Serg2000]

I don't know you. I don’t know your last name or first name.
If you corresponded with someone from our team, then obviously not with me.
And your statements look strange. If a Microsoft employee writes to you, will you be sure that Bill Gates is writing to you?

I don't think you need to know my name. In contrast to you, I am not running a crowdfunding campaign and pitching it here.

Since ERG is a tad smaller than Microsoft, I do indeed assume that "Serg" from ERG is Sergey Shevtsow, their "Chief Product Officer". If I am mistaken, feel free to correct me. And no, you and I have not corresponded via email or such; just discussed here on the forum when you were registered as Hydro. (Which you were, right? You have not commented on that yet.)

Thanks for the clarification regarding your location. I'll take your word for the US entity, and would hope that Indiegogo verifies such things. I never understood why those seeking funding on that platform don't have to disclose their company details to the audience of potential backers; but apparently that's how they work.

If you want to correspond with me, then in any case, I need to know your name. If not, then we will not correspond.

ERGroup is much smaller than Microsoft, but has employees and volunteers. Don't you think that I myself translated the subtitles into Arabic, voiced the text of the video and did the accounting?

Yes, my name is Serg, but my last name is different, Sergey Shevtsow Shevtsov - CPO, I am a programmer, web designer

I don't know what you mean by Hydro. Has anyone registered under this nickname? Please clarify.

I don't care whether you take my word for it or not. I don't have to answer to you for this. Especially without knowing who is hiding behind this strange, meaningless nickname.

We do not seek funding on this platform.
We are looking for funding on the Kickstarter platform.
This platform is used for public opinion research, information and feedback. As far as I understand, this is what it is intended for.

In conclusion, I will say a proverb in our language. I don't know if the translation will be accurate, but try it yourself.
"Пул топилган квартиранинг калитини беришим керакми ?"

[tggzzz]

I don't know you. I don’t know your last name or first name.
If you corresponded with someone from our team, then obviously not with me.
And your statements look strange. If a Microsoft employee writes to you, will you be sure that Bill Gates is writing to you?

I don't think you need to know my name. In contrast to you, I am not running a crowdfunding campaign and pitching it here.

Since ERG is a tad smaller than Microsoft, I do indeed assume that "Serg" from ERG is Sergey Shevtsow, their "Chief Product Officer". If I am mistaken, feel free to correct me. And no, you and I have not corresponded via email or such; just discussed here on the forum when you were registered as Hydro. (Which you were, right? You have not commented on that yet.)

Thanks for the clarification regarding your location. I'll take your word for the US entity, and would hope that Indiegogo verifies such things. I never understood why those seeking funding on that platform don't have to disclose their company details to the audience of potential backers; but apparently that's how they work.

If you want to correspond with me, then in any case, I need to know your name. If not, then we will not correspond.

ERGroup is much smaller than Microsoft, but has employees and volunteers. Don't you think that I myself translated the subtitles into Arabic, voiced the text of the video and did the accounting?

Yes, my name is Serg, but my last name is different, Sergey Shevtsow Shevtsov - CPO, I am a programmer, web designer

I don't know what you mean by Hydro. Has anyone registered under this nickname? Please clarify.

I don't care whether you take my word for it or not. I don't have to answer to you for this. Especially without knowing who is hiding behind this strange, meaningless nickname.

We do not seek funding on this platform.
We are looking for funding on the Kickstarter platform.
This platform is used for public opinion research, information and feedback. As far as I understand, this is what it is intended for.

In conclusion, I will say a proverb in our language. I don't know if the translation will be accurate, but try it yourself.
"Пул топилган квартиранинг калитини беришим керакми ?"

ebastler makes sensible points. YTA.

If you want people to invest their money in your company, it is necessary for you to be open an honest - about the technology, its performance, its state of development, the company, the country, etc etc.

Adding an untranslateable/ambiuguous proverb in a language that gurgle (mis)identifies as Kyrgyz is not a good ending point.

[ebastler]

Considering you're the same human behind both accounts, do you want to look silly in front of everyone and pretend you're someone else, or are you going to admit that you created another account after you were banned? Decide carefully because my tolerance for games is low today.

I don't know what you mean by Hydro. Has anyone registered under this nickname? Please clarify.

Hmm... looks like you do want to play games?
I advise against it. Halcyon holds much better cards than you.

[shapirus]

You want money, you show a working prototype and demonstrate real world measurements. You post renders and buzzwords, you go fund yourself.

[Serg2000]

I don't know you. I don’t know your last name or first name.
If you corresponded with someone from our team, then obviously not with me.
And your statements look strange. If a Microsoft employee writes to you, will you be sure that Bill Gates is writing to you?

I don't think you need to know my name. In contrast to you, I am not running a crowdfunding campaign and pitching it here.

Since ERG is a tad smaller than Microsoft, I do indeed assume that "Serg" from ERG is Sergey Shevtsow, their "Chief Product Officer". If I am mistaken, feel free to correct me. And no, you and I have not corresponded via email or such; just discussed here on the forum when you were registered as Hydro. (Which you were, right? You have not commented on that yet.)

Thanks for the clarification regarding your location. I'll take your word for the US entity, and would hope that Indiegogo verifies such things. I never understood why those seeking funding on that platform don't have to disclose their company details to the audience of potential backers; but apparently that's how they work.

If you want to correspond with me, then in any case, I need to know your name. If not, then we will not correspond.

ERGroup is much smaller than Microsoft, but has employees and volunteers. Don't you think that I myself translated the subtitles into Arabic, voiced the text of the video and did the accounting?

Yes, my name is Serg, but my last name is different, Sergey Shevtsow Shevtsov - CPO, I am a programmer, web designer

I don't know what you mean by Hydro. Has anyone registered under this nickname? Please clarify.

I don't care whether you take my word for it or not. I don't have to answer to you for this. Especially without knowing who is hiding behind this strange, meaningless nickname.

We do not seek funding on this platform.
We are looking for funding on the Kickstarter platform.
This platform is used for public opinion research, information and feedback. As far as I understand, this is what it is intended for.

In conclusion, I will say a proverb in our language. I don't know if the translation will be accurate, but try it yourself.
"Пул топилган квартиранинг калитини беришим керакми ?"

ebastler makes sensible points. YTA.

If you want people to invest their money in your company, it is necessary for you to be open an honest - about the technology, its performance, its state of development, the company, the country, etc etc.

Adding an untranslateable/ambiuguous proverb in a language that gurgle (mis)identifies as Kyrgyz is not a good ending point.

I think that this is not the end point, but the starting point.

Instead of discussing the technology and asking questions about the technology  (but you were given a Pre-Launch-Page and a video)  you launched into some kind of personal showdown that I’m having a hard time understanding.

The details you are talking about are filled out in the complete kickstarter application. If you need to give a draft of it for feedback, then I will ask the boss if it is possible to post it on the forum.

If you have questions, ask.
I will answer those that I can answer, and I will send others to our specialists.
If you need to calculate the area of microturbine blades and its power, then I can do it.

....identifies as Kyrgyz

Try Uzbek

[Simon]

You need to understand that Indigogo is notoriously used by people looking to defraud people of their money in a way that is legally not considered fraud. There have been many ridicolous projects on there that have turned out to be nothing in the end. The "company" uses the money to pay it's "employees" but their project is either never going to work or was never going to work. Often the products are a rehash of an existing technology and nothing new but claiming some secret ingredient that makes them an innovation.

Legally this sort of "investment" does not have to give the investor anything back and if the "company" fails then the money is certainly lost. There is no legal come back on the "company" taking the money. This makes crowdfunding an easy target for fraudsters as the whole premise that this is a risky investment covers them when they take the money and run. Usually they do not literally do that as that may have legal implications so instead they spend the money that is effectively donated to "the company" to pay it's "employees": themselves to make a show of doing R&D etc but in the end this can fail, the "employees" got paid for some years to mess about on a non project and the money is all "spent" and the "company" abandons it's efforts. That is of course if they do not do more "funding" rounds possibly for "new ideas" and so it goes on.

That is the background with which anyone here will approach your "company". Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, where is yours?

[Serg2000]

It's clear. Thanks for the detailed explanations.

They require a detailed answer.
I won't have time today. And I need some advice.
Can you give me until tomorrow?

In the meantime, you can watch the Pre-Launch-Page
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/crowd-funded-projects/microturbine/msg5387063/#msg5387063

and video
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/crowd-funded-projects/microturbine/msg5392496/#msg5392496

There are already answers to a lot of things.

[tggzzz]

It's clear. Thanks for the detailed explanations.

They require a detailed answer.
I won't have time today. And I need some advice.
Can you give me until tomorrow?

In the meantime, you can watch the Pre-Launch-Page
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/crowd-funded-projects/microturbine/msg5387063/#msg5387063
and video
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/crowd-funded-projects/microturbine/msg5392496/#msg5392496

There are already answers to a lot of things.

Not in that video there aren't.

It is stock footage of windmills (etc), "hooray" advertising slogans, cartoons, and zero technical claims with any substance. Classic example "80% more efficient than existing similar devices". That statement could be satisfied if your device generates 2µW rather than 1µW.

Don't forget that we are engineers, and that means a standard part of our everyday job is to assess what isn't being said, and to weed out advertising bullshit. That's why lawyers (allegedly) don't like selecting engineers for juries

Can I suggest that in the near future you add your device and campaign to this thread.

[Serg2000]

It's clear. Thanks for the detailed explanations.

They require a detailed answer.
I won't have time today. And I need some advice.
Can you give me until tomorrow?

In the meantime, you can watch the Pre-Launch-Page
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/crowd-funded-projects/microturbine/msg5387063/#msg5387063
and video
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/crowd-funded-projects/microturbine/msg5392496/#msg5392496

There are already answers to a lot of things.

Not in that video there aren't.

It is stock footage of windmills (etc), "hooray" advertising slogans, cartoons, and zero technical claims with any substance. Classic example "80% more efficient than existing similar devices". That statement could be satisfied if your device generates 2µW rather than 1µW.

Don't forget that we are engineers, and that means a standard part of our everyday job is to assess what isn't being said, and to weed out advertising bullshit. That's why lawyers (allegedly) don't like selecting engineers for juries

There are answers to some questions there, you just don't see them.
You see neither questions nor answers.
Perhaps precisely because you are engineers.
In addition to engineering issues, there are also social, environmental, political, etc. issues.

There really are no answers to engineering questions there. And no video is intended for this.
This is called a "promotional video."

We will definitely return to engineering issues.


I didn't quite understand this phrase.

Can I suggest that in the near future you add your device and campaign to this thread.

What does "add your device" mean? Should I bring a device weighing 3 tons or post all the drawings here?

What does "add campaign" mean? The campaign has not yet been launched, but is just getting ready. If you need a draft, I'll check with the boss, as I said.

[shapirus]

Talk is cheap. Show us the numbers. Every project like this is considered BS until numbers are presented. Demonstration of a working prototype is also a requirement.

[ebastler]

[...] you launched into some kind of personal showdown that I’m having a hard time understanding.

Let me try to help you understand... This topic has a history here. You (or, for the sake of the argument, let's say "someone") registered as "Hydro" a couple of months ago, presented the same technology, and also looked for "feedback". Hydro took the unusual approach of hiding a lot of facts he wanted feedback on, and generously dishing out insults along the way. While it was amusing on some level, it also caused a lot of aggravation.

We would like to know why we can expect better this time. Is this new incarnation of ERG going to be civil, sincere and open?

You are not off to a great start with this "who the heck is Hydro?" approach. We can all recognize writing styles; moderators can also compare IP addresses and presumably other user fingerprints. Halcyon, who is a moderator here, has already confirmed that you seem to be the same person as Hydro.

If you level with us now, you may still be able to turn this around.

[Serg2000]

Talk is cheap. Show us the numbers. Every project like this is considered BS until numbers are presented. Demonstration of a working prototype is also a requirement.

So we don’t take money from anyone here and they don’t demand it from us.
This is a forum.

Numbers are not an indicator either. The numbers for a thermonuclear reactor are huge, and 70 years are just numbers. Where is the result?

Have you filled out an application for Kickstarter? Have you filled out applications at all? For some grants.
Do you know what the criteria are?

When I send the application here, there are numbers, calculations, and scientific justification.
Be patient.

[Serg2000]

[...] you launched into some kind of personal showdown that I’m having a hard time understanding.

Let me try to help you understand... This topic has a history here. You (or, for the sake of the argument, let's say "someone") registered as "Hydro" a couple of months ago, presented the same technology, and also looked for "feedback". Hydro took the unusual approach of hiding a lot of facts he wanted feedback on, and generously dishing out insults along the way. While it was amusing on some level, it also caused a lot of aggravation.

We would like to know why we can expect better this time. Is this new incarnation of ERG going to be civil, sincere and open?

You are not off to a great start with this "who the heck is Hydro?" approach. We can all recognize writing styles; moderators can also compare IP addresses and presumably other user fingerprints. Halcyon, who is a moderator here, has already confirmed that you seem to be the same person as Hydro.

If you level with us now, you may still be able to turn this around.

I can also send you my DNA and blood type.

Or will we talk about the substance of the topic?

I said just as the boss will approve posting a draft of the Kickstarter application on the forums, ask questions.
Well, or you can now, based on the information you have.
I will answer as best as I can.
I can’t, I’ll send it to specialists.

You (or, for the sake of the argument, let's say "someone") registered as "Hydro" a couple of months ago, presented the same technology, and also looked for "feedback"

Where is it ? May I see it ?