Not this self-righteous bloke, AGAIN!

[John B]

They need education and to be shown their error of their ways with KINDNESS and compassion

That's some baizou level cuckoldry.

[eti]

They need education and to be shown their error of their ways with KINDNESS and compassion

That's some baizou level cuckoldry.

It doesn't surprise me that the average Joe response is "REVENGE! REVENGE! HATRED!!" - that's why forgiveness seems alien to you, as you, and many people, feel always frustrated and offended, because you have a "Revenge!" mindset, and that will keep you imprisoned. We can ALL change our ways, we just have to WANT to and to sacrifice our hatred for compassion and to TRY and see it from their perspective. This is why Mr Rober and his mass "justice!" campaigns will always fall flat on their faces, as NOTHING kills sin and hatred like love and forgiveness; does humanity never learn? It seems not.

[Monkeh]

Oh no, not this self-righteous bloke, AGAIN! That's right kids, it's eti again.

[ataradov]

Are you really this delusional? What kind of kindness do you apply to actual criminals that consciously picked that line of work and make millions of dollars a year doing it? This is not revenge, this is actual investigation and prosecution work (to the extent possible without violating the law) that local police is too corrupt to do.

As I said, this can be stopped with decent caller ID and flexible caller blocking. But here corruption comes to the US side of things and telecoms are also making money on it, so they are not inclined to do anything.

[John B]

They need education and to be shown their error of their ways with KINDNESS and compassion

That's some baizou level cuckoldry.

It doesn't surprise me that the average Joe response is "REVENGE! REVENGE! HATRED!!" - that's why forgiveness seems alien to you, as you, and many people, feel always frustrated and offended, because you have a "Revenge!" mindset, and that will keep you imprisoned. We can ALL change our ways, we just have to WANT to and to sacrifice our hatred for compassion and to TRY and see it from their perspective. This is why Mr Rober and his mass "justice!" campaigns will always fall flat on their faces, as NOTHING kills sin and hatred like love and forgiveness; does humanity never learn? It seems not.

I've actually learned some quite harsh life lessons in my time. For one I don't think for a moment that these call centre people you're talking about need to be "educated" about what they're doing. I can guarantee that if the same thing was done to them, they would immediately be crying foul. They understand perfectly.

Kindness is only a useful trait in a system of reciprocity, where people have been raised as such. If you're outside their usual system, ie, family or close social circle, you're basically just setting your self up for a knife in your back.

[IanB]

As I said, this can be stopped with decent caller ID and flexible caller blocking. But here corruption comes to the US side of things and telecoms are also making money on it, so they are not inclined to do anything.

Yes, this is absolutely annoying. I get calls on my phone that say "Spam Risk", but there is no available feature in the phone to filter spam risk calls and block them. Why can phones block incoming calls based on the number, but not on the caller ID?

[NiHaoMike]

Some say the world is overpopulated and measures should be taken to get it down, I'd say we should get rid of criminals, by using them for stuff like medical experimentation - the worse the crime, the more "experimental" it gets. In doing so, medical technology would advance faster helping the innocent to live.

And if you want to see Mark Rober get glitter bombed:

[daqq]

that's why forgiveness seems alien to you, as you, and many people, feel always frustrated and offended, because you have a "Revenge!" mindset, and that will keep you imprisoned.

Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
Make a business out of fooling people out of their money, I hope you get eaten alive by a rabid badger in the near future.

We can ALL change our ways, we just have to WANT to and to sacrifice our hatred for compassion and to TRY and see it from their perspective.

Their perspective is that they are getting money out of gullible people. They have the option of not getting money out gullible people. With every phone call, with every day of showing up to "work" they choose to avoid this option. Forgiveness is all well and good, but if someone's stabbing my relative with a knife, stopping the stabbing takes priority over analysing their life to see stuff from their perspective and being compassionate about their hard life that led them up to this point.

as NOTHING kills sin and hatred like love and forgiveness

A significant portion of your posts sound like foaming-at-the-mouth rage against one thing or another where you show disdain or hate against something, you directly troll, you scoff at people who devote their time bettering community projects (FOSS) calling them names without even trying to see the good in their intents and the amazing amount of good they actually do, but at the same time you will lament at the poor treatment the scammy scum of the earth is receiving... not sure if you are a paragon of virtue or consistency.

[Brumby]

They need education and to be shown their error of their ways with KINDNESS and compassion

The ultimate fool's errand.

[ataradov]

Update from Mark's twitter:

HERE WE GO!! 1 of the call centers that we featured (been operation for a DECADE) is shut down. 15 senior officials arrested. This is just the first battle. We’ve had some encouraging discussions with the @KolkataPolice. This is their moment though. The world is watching.

So this video was extremely useful.

[madires]

A surprisingly positive outcome!

[YurkshireLad]

Just listening to a single recording of scammers conning money out of a naive old woman is enough for me. Scammers won't get compassion and forgiveness from me.

[Zero999]

Just listening to a single recording of scammers conning money out of a naive old woman is enough for me. Scammers won't get compassion and forgiveness from me.

That's because they believe all westerns are wealthy and can afford to pay., even those who say they're poor.

[madires]

I don't think it's that simple. The 'excuses' of westerners being wealthy and dumb, the obstinacy of sticking on the western alias names and other behaviour seem to be a sign of a mental conflict. They know exactly that they are committing fraud and other felonies while trying to blame their victims and their alias (more like an alter ego) to soothe their conscience.

[Cerebus]

There's two things going on here.

First the assumption that all these scams originate in not-western countries. That's not true, anyone who has watched a few of Mark's glitter bomb videos will know that several of the scammers he has traced are entirely domestic US operations,

Two, people who do operate these scams out of India and other places aren't adopting western pseudonyms as a purely criminal tactic. I'm sure that using a pseudonym is a criminal tactic, but the fact that it is a western pseudonym isn't. Quite a lot of people from non-western countries adopt "English" names or anglicised nicknames when dealing with English speakers because English speakers are too dumb to cope with 'complicated' foreign names. I've known dozens of examples over the years: Fakhri - an Iraqi born millionaire civil engineer with an English wife who goes by Frank, Chandrakant - an English born bloke of Indian extraction who goes by Charlie, Shaheen Abdulfaz Sharibianni - an Iranian student who got stuck here in England when the Iranian revolution happened who went by the nickname Shab and so on.

[Zero999]

There's two things going on here.

First the assumption that all these scams originate in not-western countries. That's not true, anyone who has watched a few of Mark's glitter bomb videos will know that several of the scammers he has traced are entirely domestic US operations,

Two, people who do operate these scams out of India and other places aren't adopting western pseudonyms as a purely criminal tactic. I'm sure that using a pseudonym is a criminal tactic, but the fact that it is a western pseudonym isn't. Quite a lot of people from non-western countries adopt "English" names or anglicised nicknames when dealing with English speakers because English speakers are too dumb to cope with 'complicated' foreign names. I've known dozens of examples over the years: Fakhri - an Iraqi born millionaire civil engineer with an English wife who goes by Frank, Chandrakant - an English born bloke of Indian extraction who goes by Charlie, Shaheen Abdulfaz Sharibianni - an Iranian student who got stuck here in England when the Iranian revolution happened who went by the nickname Shab and so on.

I don't like using the term racism, because it's really overused, but I it's clearly a factor in some of these scammer's psyches, whether they get orders from those operating in the west or not. They believe white people are dumb, greedy and wealthy from the spoils of colonialism. The criminal acts committed by the British in India and by other Europeans, before anyone living now was born, helps to justify their actions, which they see as revenge and taking back what's rightfully theirs.

We recently had a troll from India, who expressed a similar view, so it wouldn't surprise me it's used by scammers to justify their actions.

. You are making circuitous argument, because I can go back to my argument that West has stolen things from India centuries, which made the West rich enough to develop technologies, etc. So you have no moral right to expect me to pay for it.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/news/my-thread-has-been-locked-in-a-high-handed-manner/msg4139392/#msg4139392

[Cerebus]

One swallow does not a summer make, anecdote is not evidence, etc. One doesn't have to go looking for racial/racialist/racist explanations here. The Essex thug mugging old ladies is not driven by race memories of the celtic Trinovantes being ultimately displaced by Anglo-Saxons, he's driven by simple criminality. That a few criminals chose to make post facto justifications of their acts on historical grounds of colonial wrongs isn't a motivation for their acts or an excuse for them. Neither is it an excuse to go looking at their nationality as a cause of their criminal behaviour. I bet their grandma-ji would say just the same thing to them as mine would to me: "Two wrongs don't make a right, nyah?".

[Zero999]

One swallow does not a summer make, anecdote is not evidence, etc. One doesn't have to go looking for racial/racialist/racist explanations here. The Essex thug mugging old ladies is not driven by race memories of the celtic Trinovantes being ultimately displaced by Anglo-Saxons, he's driven by simple criminality. That a few criminals chose to make post facto justifications of their acts on historical grounds of colonial wrongs isn't a motivation for their acts or an excuse for them. Neither is it an excuse to go looking at their nationality as a cause of their criminal behaviour. I bet their grandma-ji would say just the same thing to them as mine would to me: "Two wrongs don't make a right, nyah?".

Of course making money is the goal. It does seem that racism is often used to justify it. The trans-Atlantic slave trade was primally about making money. The idea that the blacks were an inferior race was used to prevent people from feeling bad about themselves. It's very different to the Nazis who used racism purely to target a group of people.

[Ice-Tea]

Next time I get a call from "Microsoft about your computer, Sir" I'll think about that video, chuckle and put the phone down.

[Zero999]

Next time I get a call from "Microsoft about your computer, Sir" I'll think about that video, chuckle and put the phone down.

Have you tried booting into a Linux virtual machine and trolling them? Unfortunately they always ring me on my landline, which isn't next to my PC and I don't have laptop, so I can't do that.