Working From Home - Impacts of Coronavirus

[GeorgeOfTheJungle]

If everyone were infected tomorrow, that would be the best thing that could happen.

7,800,000,000 in the world.

Assume a TENTH of a percent mortality (one could certainly claim a defensible 1%, but let's go with one tenth of that).

So, your input is that 7,800,000 deaths is the best thing that could happen.

And what makes you think that they won't die the same when they get infected later?

[Ed.Kloonk]

Going back to the Karen thing for just a sec, and how it came to be. I thought it was simply a less egregious version of what they are: K Hunts.

Funny that the name Richard was referred to. It's just a more sophisticated type of playground name calling.

[DrG]

Vietnam has been very good at keeping infections down, also as of a few days ago they had no deaths, I think they may now have had just one. Thats a country of around 90 million people, population wise. Compare that to the US. Vietnam has a much higher population density than the US, also.

Australia is similar culturally, but again, much much mucjh lower rates of infection and deaths.

Why is it so high here?  Its as if we are deliberately doing everything wrong.

what do you call an overreaction?  not sick , not dying , not deceased , only 3 or 5 positive tests, 
wow  mass panic,    80,000 tourists evacuated from a Vietnamese city because of only 3 or 5 positive cases. 
is this nonsensical human behavior, 
https://www.travelpulse.com/news/impacting-travel/around-80000-tourists-evacuated-from-vietnamese-city-due-to-coronavirus.html

How I see it is that too many people are pointing to the wrong over-reactions. I am unfamiliar with @jonovid but there is a point there but it is overshadowed by far more over-reactions.

Here are new cases for Australia:


I used to tout Australia as a country that the US should be trying to emulate with regard to their handling. What happened? An over-reaction or an under-reaction? Make no mistake about it, I would dye my nut hairs orange and wear a MAGA hat if I could get Florida, California, Texas, Arizone and several other states in the US to look like that.

The problem is not the "over-reactions" that @jonovid mention it is the ongoing "over-reactions" in the other direction.

Not just the Karen who, in a hissy fit, throws her groceries on the floor because someone has the audacity to tell her that masks are required. 

But the US Congressman, a rabid anti-masker, who upon learning that he tested positive (because he had access to a fast test that is nearly unavailable six months into the pandemic of the century, to all but the most elite, despite the ability of the most powerful country in the world that has specific provisions to allow the POTUS to literally direct companies to manufacture emergency equipment) had the unmitigated audacity to say that he can't help believe that he got infected BECAUSE he was wearing a mask. Something so outrageous that I complained about it four months ago to the day https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/covid-19-virus/msg2992420/#msg2992420

But he also REQUIRES his staff to show up in person (how's that for the impact of covid19 on working from home - you don't get to do that for appearances) and his staff is berated if they wear a mask.

It is a POTUS who STILL touts a drug that has been investigated thoroughly and found to NOT have efficacy against Covid19 and where the CDC revoked emergency use authorization. But still, he want physicians to prescribe it, with the inherent liabilities and based, apparently on the recommendations of physicians like this one
(and yes, she can sing a slightly different, but still unscientific, tune


You know I can go one because those are typical of the over-reactions that we get ever day.

The TS recently posted about how depressing the news was and I envy the ability of those to "turn it off". I expect the media to over broadcast everything, including the greatest pandemic of the century. But NO legitimate person has claimed that we need these restrictions for the next 10 years. NO legitimate person is saying that we have to live in a depression-era economy for the next 10 years.

What most people know is that we have to live with these restrictions for a TEMPORARY amount of time -  until therapeutics become available and are successfully deployed. THAT is how this story ends. But our grievance culture means that far too many people will REFUSE to do what the majority knows must be done and that worsens the pandemic in every sense.

You bet it is depressing, it is a chronic stressor that meets the requirement for causing exogenous depression in any normal person. It is also frustrating and aggravating and demoralizing and significantly decreases my faith in people to behave in a way that they must, to help everybody.

And then, of course, are the folks who have become very sick and the families of those who have died....and the ones that are yet to come.

[Zero999]

If everyone were infected tomorrow, that would be the best thing that could happen.

7,800,000,000 in the world.

Assume a TENTH of a percent mortality (one could certainly claim a defensible 1%, but let's go with one tenth of that).

So, your input is that 7,800,000 deaths is the best thing that could happen.

And what makes you think that they won't die the same when they get infected later?

If lots of people get COVID-19, at the same time, hospitals will be overwhelmed and won't be able to treat everyone. If the same number of people are infected, over a much longer period, then hospitals will be able to treat everyone and save most of them. The difference between the two case fatality rates could be as much as a factor of ten, then there are all of the other people who have other treatable illnesses, who won't be saved. During the peak, in the UK, there were a good number of excess deaths from other illnesses because the hospitals were too busy dealing with COVID-19 patients.

Another thing to bear in mind is the severity of the illness is dependant on infectious dose. If you only come into contact with one sick person and get infected, then you'll have a much milder disease, than if you were to be infected by many people, as would be the case if a huge proportion of the population were infected.

Then there's the fact that a large number of young, healthy people can take awhile to get over it. If everyone were to get infected, over a very short period of time, things could go very badly.

In a multistate telephone survey of symptomatic adults who had a positive outpatient test result for SARS-CoV-2 infection, 35% had not returned to their usual state of health when interviewed 2–3 weeks after testing. Among persons aged 18–34 years with no chronic medical conditions, one in five had not returned to their usual state of health.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6930e1.htm

[DrG]

If everyone were infected tomorrow, that would be the best thing that could happen.

7,800,000,000 in the world.

Assume a TENTH of a percent mortality (one could certainly claim a defensible 1%, but let's go with one tenth of that).

So, your input is that 7,800,000 deaths is the best thing that could happen.

And what makes you think that they won't die the same when they get infected later?

NO, I am not going to indulge you because that is what you want - attention to an offensive contrarian view that is, frankly, TFS to indulge with anything other than this:

[GeorgeOfTheJungle]

If lots of people get COVID-19, at the same time, hospitals will be overwhelmed and won't be able to treat everyone. If the same number of people are infected, over a much longer period, then hospitals will be able to treat everyone and save most of them. The difference between the two case fatality rates could be as much as a factor of ten, then there are all of the other people who have other treatable illnesses, who won't be saved. During the peak, in the UK, there were a good number of excess deaths from other illnesses because the hospitals were too busy dealing with COVID-19 patients.

Another thing to bear in mind is the severity of the illness is dependant on infectious dose. If you only come into contact with one sick person and get infected, then you'll have a much milder disease, than if you were to be infected by many people, as would be the case if a huge proportion of the population were infected.

Then there's the fact that a large number of young, healthy people can take awhile to get over it. If everyone were to get infected, over a very short period of time, things could go very badly.

Look:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/u5LagTrnHltz/

[PlainName]

https://theprepared.com/blog/dr-ericksons-viral-covid-19-briefing-video-is-dangerously-wrong/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/g731sd/dr_erickson_covid19_briefing/

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/29/health/california-doctors-coronavirus-claims/index.html

There's a reason YouTube took that down.

[EEVblog]

Sorry but I've had enough of covid on this forum, people just cannot help themselves to stay on topic so this last remaining thread on the topic is now locked.
Please do not post any more covid related stuff on the forum, it's had it's run.