UK forum members, BREXIT?

[rch]

Hmm, any club where to join costs a pound and to leave - two pounds, smells just wrong to me. If EU officials consider ways to make the UK exit as difficult as possible (all for the common good of other members, obviously), that smells exactly as the Soviet type of politics. I sincerely hope that the EU would not use this kind of approach in practice, however we all will see what course will be taken soon enough.

Cheers

Alex

Leaving the club is free. There is no cost in submitting a leave.

You don't have the burdens and benifits of the club anymore after you left. That may be a benifit or a burden. But it is what the people of Brittain wanted.

And, of course, the EEC was very far from enticing the UK on a promise.   It took them the best part of ten years to let us join at all.  They thought we lacked commitment and would only impair their progress. Can't think why they thought that.

[dannyf]

"What should be the reason to leave the EU ?"

You can easily construct a few scenarios under which one may wish to leave. Maybe they shared uks view on the EU and hoped to have better chance of reforming the EU with the UK in. Now UK is gone so less likely for the reform to materialize, .....

Not that it is true but it could be true.

[tggzzz]

You develop an allergy to this kind of things and as a result we are more sensitive to these "superstate" ambitions of the EU than many people here in the West. The UK though has just (hopefully) put some brakes to that bureaucratic gravy train.

It is possible to be oversensitive.

The brakes certainly have been put on that gravy train. Some people and institutions have, deservedly, been poked in the eye with a stick. Unfortunately that will probably cause everybody else in the UK to have a stick inserted in their anus and out their mouth. The disaffected poor will be the worst to suffer - and that's bad for democracy.

Is that provable? Not yet, but it is already moving in that direction. Some people have had their savings frozen and are unable to withdraw their money. That kind of thing will be repeated over the next few years

[Alex Nikitin]

You develop an allergy to this kind of things and as a result we are more sensitive to these "superstate" ambitions of the EU than many people here in the West. The UK though has just (hopefully) put some brakes to that bureaucratic gravy train.

It is possible to be oversensitive.

The brakes certainly have been put on that gravy train. Some people and institutions have, deservedly, been poked in the eye with a stick. Unfortunately that will probably cause everybody else in the UK to have a stick inserted in their anus and out their mouth. The disaffected poor will be the worst to suffer - and that's bad for democracy.

Is that provable? Not yet, but it is already moving in that direction. Some people have had their savings frozen and are unable to withdraw their money. That kind of thing will be repeated over the next few years

And you say that I am oversensitive  . This kind of scaremongering is a typical socialist reaction, reaction of a person who thinks that everything should be given to him on a plate from above (from the EU bureaucrats, or from the Politburo  ) . In reality we make our prosperity, and any change should be looked at not as an impeding doom - but as an opportunity, a challenge. The Brexit shows that the UK still has that spirit. "The disaffected poor" did vote Leave in their majority, according to the results, by the way.

Cheers

Alex

[DK6400Brian]

I can tell you Alex, that there's support in Denmark to leave as well.
Before our referendum in 1986 the politicians had the nerve to calm people down by saying: "The Union is dead as a stone".

With Brexit you're going to make trade deals with whoever you want. Depositing that ability in Bruxelles for the politicians there, doesn't seem to be the best solution.

[Tepe]

I can tell you Alex, that there's support in Denmark to leave as well.

Of course there is but don't forget that while the 1992 Maastricht referendum was 49.3% for and 50.7% against the treaty, the 1993 referendum with the opt-outs was 56.7% for and 43.3% against. And while a party or two are currently making some noise, they only hold 37+14=51 of the 179 seats in parliament.

Before our referendum in 1986 the politicians had the nerve to calm people down by saying: "The Union is dead as a stone".

I chose to think of Mr. Schlüter's statement as a bad joke.

[Tepe]

the 1993 referendum with the opt-outs was 56.7% for and 43.3% against.

In addition to acceding the Maastricht treaty with some opt-outs we got this:

https://youtu.be/Qv1kd1u3gsI?t=101

[dannyf]

"and any change should be looked at not as an impeding doom - but as an opportunity, a challenge. "

Wasn't there this saying that the Chinese phrase for "crisis" consists of the words "risk" and "opportunity".

Or to borrow from one of my hero's, " don't ever let a crisis go to waste".

[Brumby]

Is it me - or am I noticing an increasing mention of the 'Leave' sentiment (or at least re-evaluating their membership) from other member states of the EU on this thread?

[MT]

When you want to make exact measurement you need a Fluke.

[Kjelt]

Is it me - or am I noticing an increasing mention of the 'Leave' sentiment (or at least re-evaluating their membership) from other member states of the EU on this thread?

For now all other member EU states are tourists, watching to see how it will forego the UK in the near future.
Today the GBP again fell against the USD and EUR which means nothing good to watch.
The biggest problem is that some fractions like extreme right in France with mrs Lepen and the sorts are now shouting the loudest and getting media attention, which might seem that other countries are now thinking of leaving. But when 2% of a country shouts that, it does not mean that the country will do it, or even will think about doing it 

[tggzzz]

You develop an allergy to this kind of things and as a result we are more sensitive to these "superstate" ambitions of the EU than many people here in the West. The UK though has just (hopefully) put some brakes to that bureaucratic gravy train.

It is possible to be oversensitive.

The brakes certainly have been put on that gravy train. Some people and institutions have, deservedly, been poked in the eye with a stick. Unfortunately that will probably cause everybody else in the UK to have a stick inserted in their anus and out their mouth. The disaffected poor will be the worst to suffer - and that's bad for democracy.

Is that provable? Not yet, but it is already moving in that direction. Some people have had their savings frozen and are unable to withdraw their money. That kind of thing will be repeated over the next few years

And you say that I am oversensitive  . This kind of scaremongering is a typical socialist reaction, reaction of a person who thinks that everything should be given to him on a plate from above (from the EU bureaucrats, or from the Politburo  ) . In reality we make our prosperity, and any change should be looked at not as an impeding doom - but as an opportunity, a challenge. The Brexit shows that the UK still has that spirit. "The disaffected poor" did vote Leave in their majority, according to the results, by the way.

I can assure you that you have no idea of my politics!

I am well aware of how the disaffected poor voted, and why. I have a lot of sympathy with their motivation. Unfortunately they were "misled", according to the leading leave campaigners only hours after the results were announced. When they realise how they've been screwed by politicians and the media, the consequences will be unpredictable and unpleasant.

BTW, I'm probably "closer" to Putin than you. My degrees-of-separation is me->relative->wife->mother->Putin. The wife and mother refuse to contemplate that US astronauts walked on the moon, since it was self-evidently a capitalist conspiracy of lies!

[tggzzz]

Is it me - or am I noticing an increasing mention of the 'Leave' sentiment (or at least re-evaluating their membership) from other member states of the EU on this thread?

You probably are.

The sole significance of that is that it is a reflection of why the EU must crucify the UK.

[MT]

My biggest fear is he indeed gets elected, and then does nothing he promised, and starts imitating Obama/Hillary/Bush(1).
And goes to Saudi Arabia to talk about the human rights institute, visits Wallstreet and does some expensive speeches, and has meetings with hollande/merkel/juncker about more bureaucracy, and keeps on injecting money in the war Bush/Obama(1) started.

(1) Delete as appropriate.

But that is the perfect punishment for Americans no matter whom they voted for, let them ruin themselves, its perfect, then it will perhaps end in civil war part 2 and then from the ashes will rise the creation of States of America, they can create their own version of the Nordic agreement and become civilized again? They do vote on Trump because they are disappointed with politicians, just as Russians/Brits/Spanish/Greeks have done, a telling story they made it all by themselves.  Putin will laugh his pants off! ........Until Moscow Majdan eventually occur!

Busch mocked us french, we gave them liberty and they gave us "freedom fries"! We will never forget that insult!

[daqq]

Is it me - or am I noticing an increasing mention of the 'Leave' sentiment (or at least re-evaluating their membership) from other member states of the EU on this thread?

It's not really due to the GB decision to leave - basically lots of people were skeptical about some EU decisions before, then came the whole migrant/refugee clusterfuck, which seriously pissed everyone. The EU would be a great project, destroyed by idiotic decisions that most certainly do NOT serve the people of the EU.

[3db]

London is a GLOBAL banking centre.   

Until now, because it has provided access to the EU market.

It seems to go to Frankfurt: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36698382

In your dreams !!
Read my lips. London was a global financial centre before the EU existed !! 

[vodka]

London is a GLOBAL banking centre.   

Until now, because it has provided access to the EU market.

It seems to go to Frankfurt: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36698382

In your dreams !!
Read my lips. London was a global financial centre before the EU existed !! 

Wake Up, London was a global as you said ,and when leave the europe will let to be a global financial centre.

The british have to accept that already aren't the lords of world as the spanish let to be the empire where never set the sun .

[rstofer]

Busch mocked us french, we gave them liberty and they gave us "freedom fries"! We will never forget that insult

I think there was a story behind the Freedom Fries thing.  Right or wrong you support your allies.  That's why the US-UK relationship is special (in my mind).  The UK always has our back (same with Australia and New Zealand).  The only 3 countries on the planet that we can count on.

Were it not for the US, you would be speaking German right now.  Don't forget it!

[Kjelt]

We probably would speak Russian 

[vodka]

London is a GLOBAL banking centre.   

Until now, because it has provided access to the EU market.

It seems to go to Frankfurt: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36698382

In your dreams !!
Read my lips. London was a global financial centre before the EU existed !! 

Wake Up, London was a global as you said ,and when leave the europe will let to be a global financial centre.

The british have to accept that already aren't the lords of world as the spanish let to be the empire where never set the sun .

Three British managers declare a "corralito " before the massive withdrawal of money from investors

http://www.elmundo.es/economia/2016/07/05/577bd65946163f5f508b45a7.html

[rstofer]

We probably would speak Russian 

You may yet!  The EU has allowed Germany to accomplish through association what it couldn't accomplish through force of arms.  With Brexit, they now control most of Europe.  There is no credible counter-balance after the UK leaves.

[apis]

Were it not for the US, you would be speaking German right now.  Don't forget it!

The same can be said about the USSR

[apis]

£1 = $1.3 = €1.2

[grumpydoc]

£1 = $1.3 = €1.2

A bit lower on the euro - £1 = €1.18 at the moment

€1.10 has been forecast

[3db]

Is it me - or am I noticing an increasing mention of the 'Leave' sentiment (or at least re-evaluating their membership) from other member states of the EU on this thread?

For now all other member EU states are tourists, watching to see how it will forego the UK in the near future.
Today the GBP again fell against the USD and EUR which means nothing good to watch.
The biggest problem is that some fractions like extreme right in France with mrs Lepen and the sorts are now shouting the loudest and getting media attention, which might seem that other countries are now thinking of leaving. But when 2% of a country shouts that, it does not mean that the country will do it, or even will think about doing it 

And when I looked earlier today the Euro also fell against the USD.