I'm interested in what is going to happen in the next few years, as regards the EU. If any other significant player EU member countries also end up leaving. I think things will be far more likely to change, as regards the EU.
The 27 are motivated to crucify the UK, "pour encourager les autres" - i.e. let their population see that leaving is worse than staying.
Oh, that will be the perfect illustration why the UK is much better out of this camp .
Prove that assertion.
This isn't a game, despite what some politicians evidently believe.
I've lived in the USSR half of my life, there people trying to leave the country were shot at or sent to labour camps - all for the common good. Now EU starts to smell that way .
Having been through the Berlin Wall several times, and having had family friends that crawled under the Iron Curtain to escape, your statement is completely unbelievable.
Out of curiosity - what exactly about my statement you find "completely unbelievable"? Or just all of it? It is accurate to the best of my (first-hand) knowledge.
All of your statement, of course.
I'll change my mind if you can demonstrate the existence of forced labour camps or of people being machine gunned for trying to leave. Or anything remotely comparable, for that matter.
While I neither agree or disagree with Alex's statement, I do appreciate the point he has made - and can see how he has formed this opinion. You, however, have taken the concept being presented to the ridiculous extreme. In my eyes at least, you have lost all credibility in this line of discussion.
For those who might wonder what I mean:
Alex Nikitin is saying 'It seems to be getting warmer' and
tggzzz has responded with 'Show me where are sitting on the surface of the sun with our backsides getting fried'.
Such techniques make for poor - certainly less than worthwhile - discussion and are typical in many political topics, not just in the UK, but anywhere and everywhere across the globe. Throw in the media and there's little chance the voters will actually get much in the way of objective information - and even less of them being able to recognise it in the sea of bullsh*t that surrounds them.
Precisely. The debate was a national disgrace and made me ashamed to be British.
Don't be ashamed to be British, be ashamed to be part of a political and media driven world ... but also have a look in the mirror. Propagating the type of extreme response I mentioned above is exactly the type of thing that contributes to: "The debate was a national disgrace".
Unfounded sensationalism may score points with the general public, but when I see it, it irritates me no end.