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[dannyf]

Our president, Dilma Roussef, is far dumber than H. Clinton

A person can never ruin a country. Brazil's problem isn't that Dilma is in power. Likewise, the US' problem isn't Obama is in power, or Hillary is in power.

The outcome of the Clinton fiasco reflects our political system and our culture. She is the product of that. With a corrupt political system, it is just a matter of time the US becomes Brazil, or Mexico, or whatever-3rd-world-country you wish to name.

We may not become Mexico under President (Hillary) Clinton, but it is just a matter of time. The destiny is never in doubt.

[dannyf]

Clinton is hardly responsible for that, however.

Just as Regan is hardly responsible for the 1980s "good times".

[MT]

The 1980'ies good times was because of 1970's bad times, anything better then bad is good! Whether the 1960'es was bad or good is up to debate!

[AlxDroidDev]

Our president, Dilma Roussef, is far dumber than H. Clinton

A person can never ruin a country. Brazil's problem isn't that Dilma is in power.

Trust me, Dannyf, she can and she did.

[MT]

Our president, Dilma Roussef, is far dumber than H. Clinton

A person can never ruin a country. Brazil's problem isn't that Dilma is in power.

Trust me, Dannyf, she can and she did.

Brazils problems are corruption not if it's a she or he!

What I see is America was in its best shape when Clinton was the president, at least its economy.

I recall vaguely that it was Clinton who opened the import gates to China so they could become the planetary workshop ruining the US TV CRT tube manufacturers.

[AlxDroidDev]

Our president, Dilma Roussef, is far dumber than H. Clinton

A person can never ruin a country. Brazil's problem isn't that Dilma is in power.

Trust me, Dannyf, she can and she did.

Brazils problems are corruption not if it's a she or he!

That's half the problem. Roussef did so much intervention in existing economic policies that our economy went down the drain. Her stupidity and inability to perform is being catastrophic.

Unemployment and inflation are at an all time high, which industrial production and currency value have never been so low.
We are officially in an economical recession, moving fast towards a depression. All of this happened during her presidency.

Corruption is indeed a problem, and everything is tied to her political party, but that didn't lead us to where we are now. The previous president, Lula, from the same party, is corrupt, is being investigated and can be arrested at any time, but he didn't make so many interventions in the economy, and that's why we survived the global 2008 financial crisis w/o any damage.

She s one of those cases: she was elected because she is a woman, not because she has any merit.

[MT]

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That's half the problem. Roussef did so much intervention in existing economic policies that our economy went down the drain. Her stupidity and inability to perform is being catastrophic.

Unemployment and inflation are at an all time high, which industrial production and currency value have never been so low.
We are officially in an economical recession, moving fast towards a depression. All of this happened during her presidency.

Well, that's a "world" problem not just Brazil.

Corruption is indeed a problem, and everything is tied to her political party, but that didn't lead us to where we are now. The previous president, Lula, from the same party, is corrupt, is being investigated and can be arrested at any time, but he didn't make so many interventions in the economy, and that's why we survived the global 2008 financial crisis w/o any damage.
She s one of those cases: she was elected because she is a woman, not because she has any merit.

I see that your engaged, thats fine people should be engaged. But do any politician have any real merits really? I think you asks to much
of your politicians in the environment they a pear in or are situated in , better view them as half crooks from the beginning and you would
not end up disgruntled. Blame the Portuguese, they created the shit! Sort of!

Or blame Saab who bribed your politicians when they tried to sell in JAS.

[AlxDroidDev]

I see that your engaged, thats fine people should be engaged. But do any politician have any real merits really? I think you asks to much of your politicians in the environment they a pear in or are situated in , better view them as half crooks from the beginning and you would not end up disgruntled. Blame the Portuguese, they created the shit! Sort of!

Oh, but I do blame the old Portuguese crown! I just don't do it so often anymore because some Portuguese guys here, who have nothing to do with it, might be offended. Sometimes I wish we had been colonized by the British, or Dutch, or anybody else but the Portuguese. I know however, that the Portuguese people of today have nothing to do with it, they owe us nothing, and I don't hold it against them. It was our own fault for not being able to clean up the mess they left in our own house.

Regarding politicians, you're absolutely correct. It's easier to just assume all of them are crooks and we have pick the "less worst" of them all, and hope whatever good they do pays off for how much they steal. I can't think that way ,'though. I wish I could, but I can't.

Or blame Saab who bribed your politicians when they tried to sell in JAS.

Actually, the whole case of the Gripen purchase was reopened by federal prosecutors yesterday.
This news is from 23 hours ago: http://www.valor.com.br/politica/4425062/mpf-reabre-inquerito-sobre-compra-de-cacas-pela-fab

I don't know how well that page might translate to English or Swedish, but it's going to be investigated all over again, since new evidence of corruption has been found due to other non-related investigation.

[CatalinaWOW]

A big part of any nations success is how it trains the next generation.  Here in the US we have been doing a poor job of this since sometime in the 1960s or 1970s. 

There are many theories about why this is, but none of the solutions to date has done much to change this.  I personally think that two big factors are wealth in the US and the Vietnam War.  The wealth thing is that everyone has so much that the value of an education is not obvious.  You have to be a little hungry (at least in a metaphorical sense) to put in the work it requires learn and the work it requires to assist your children to learn.  The Vietnam War thing relates to the draft.  Becoming a teacher was a draft deferrment, and the ranks of teaching were flooded with people with little interest or talent in the profession, just an interest in not going to Southeast Asia.   As with all career choices, momentum kept them there after the draft threat ended.

[MT]

author=AlxDroidDev link=topic=62489.msg860820#msg860820 date=1454700667]
Regarding politicians, you're absolutely correct. It's easier to just assume all of them are crooks and we have pick the "less worst"
of them all, and hope whatever good they do pays off for how much they steal. I can't think that way ,'though. I wish I could, but I can't.

Well, i did say ""half crooks"" 50% decent 50 crooks, it's a nasty mixture but they figured it works among the peasants
(gray mass of voters who dont understand what they are voting for) who condone for their acts, well rather "forgets their crime.

Actually, the whole case of the Gripen purchase was reopened by federal prosecutors yesterday.
This news is from 23 hours ago: http://www.valor.com.br/politica/4425062/mpf-reabre-inquerito-sobre-compra-de-cacas-pela-fab

I don't know how well that page might translate to English or Swedish, but it's going to be investigated
all over again, since new evidence of corruption has been found due to other non-related investigation.

Ah, did a check for it in Swedish papers and sure it did report likewise..
http://www.svd.se/aklagare-i-brasilien-ska-utreda-gripenaffar

As reported in news here its said that the cost was 4,5 billion dollars but when signed suddenly it had traveled up to 5,4 billion dollars.
i would dare say there is not one single arms deal (country to country) that went through without corruption/bribes of some sort or the other, it's built into the system.

I ponder how JAS will perform in the heat of Southamerica, since it was designed for a rather different environment.

[tszaboo]

I'm sure there are many examples of female leaders that have done an excellent job - and all respect to them.

My concern is when a female is given such a position because of her gender.  I think this is absolutely wrong.  I believe a position should be filled by whomever is capable, based on their merits - but should not be disadvantaged in the selection process simply because of their gender.

Well they have this woman in Germany. She is making the most damage to the EU and Germany since that other german, with the funny little mustache starting a world war.
And yes, persons, political parties can ruin countries.

[Mechanical Menace]

I honestly don't think it makes a difference in the vast majority of the world whoever gets voted in. The marketing may be different but Obama hasn't run the US any differently than Bush was doing, in the UK the Conservatives are doing exactly the same as Labour did. Unless they're really lucky I bet most who will read this can see the same in their own country. The only way they try to keep their voters happy is with slightly different rhetoric while they serve their real masters, donors and special interests. Trump won't be any different, his wealth may be hard for us to get our heads around but it's nothing compared to what the people who really matter to governments have access to, many could throw around Trumps entire net worth a month for shits and giggles and still be richer at the end of the year. Plus money isn't the only thing people can be bribed with. Blackmail is only a bribe the blackmailer thinks you can't refuse after all.

[AlxDroidDev]

Well, i did say ""half crooks"" 50% decent 50 crooks, it's a nasty mixture but they figured it works among the peasants
(gray mass of voters who dont understand what they are voting for) who condone for their acts, well rather "forgets their crime.

I got the "half" part, but while that may be for Sweden, for Brazil the crooks are about 95%, with an error or +/- 5%. So it might well be all of them!

I ponder how JAS will perform in the heat of Southamerica, since it was designed for a rather different environment.

Let me give you some info that might explain that.
At the time, the other candidates for the purchase were the F-18 Hornet and the Rafale, both being tried and tested fighters, including being deployed on real war scenarios (specially the F-18). All the Brazilian Air Force specialists involved in the case were certain that the F-18 was the better candidate, which is true, and the Gripen was the worst possible choice. Not only it [the JAS Gripen] wasn't a complete project back then, but its operating costs were virtually unknown. It can't be deployed from a sea carrier, it's max load is 60% of the F-18 and, again, it had never been tested on battle because it wasn't ready.

At the time, the Ministry of Defense, the department in charge of the purchase was run by military personnel. During the negotiations, Pres. Lula da Silva (of the same party as Dilma, "PT") changed the minister of difense for a civilian that belonged to his party. Then all of a sudden the Gripen automagically was being stated as the better choice and was eventually purchased.

BTW, during the negotiations with Boeing for the F-18, Brazil got the go-ahead from the US DoD to purchase the F-18. It was the logical and obvious choice and everyone thought was a done deal until the change in the ministry of defense for a corrupt civilian.

[dannyf]

She is making the most damage to the EU and Germany since that other german

Like my hero Obama would have it: "election has consequences, baby!"

for Brazil the crooks are about 95%

That's why Dilma is not the problem: if you didn't elect Dilma, you would have elected a Eilma, Filma, Gilma, ...... They are all the product of a "system". Without fixing that system, you will never fix the problem.

Why do you think so many people hold onto the usd?

Not for its great companies; Not for its economy; Not entirely for its military. For its political system.

The Clinton email fiasco will prove for all, conclusively, if we have the political system that others can trust. If we lose that trust, we are no different from any 3rd world country: Brazil, Mexico, .....

[Mechanical Menace]

The Clinton email fiasco will prove for all, conclusively, if we have the political system that others can trust.

You don't and never have. And neither has any other country. At best you have mutual self interest with some countries but will happily bend them over given the chance. Again same as any other country.

If we lose that trust, we are no different from any 3rd world country: Brazil, Mexico, .....

Can you really count the worlds 7th and 15th largest economies as 3rd world? If so why aren't Canada, Sweden, Australia...

EDIT:No offence meant to any Australians, Swedes, or Canadians btw.

[Galenbo]

Well they have this woman in Germany. She is making the most damage to the EU and Germany since that other german, with the funny little mustache starting a world war...

There are a lot of similarities between both:

-both admire big-statism, big dream is a giant unified EU.
-both disarmed their population (get less resistance afterwards)
-both Nazi troups and the current loved EU invaders openly hate/discriminate Jews and Gays.(Hey Simon: they both hate/killed transgenders too)
-both are ready to use police force against population protest.
-both use media to cover up criminality, and use media to invent distraction, distribute propaganda.
-Both Nazi-criticism and Political-correctness-criticism are handled equal: Loss of job, pillory,.. we will see more similarities when the next step of ww3 is on.
-Both moderate-Nazi and the current Political Correct believers have the same profile and excuse: The "ich habe es nicht gewusst"

[Galenbo]

...Our president, Dilma Roussef, is far dumber than H. Clinton, and a day doesn't go by when Dilma says something extremely stupid. She once mentioned in the UN that scientists needed to invent a mean to stock wind. She's possibly one of the dumbest persons alive,

Really, I'm laughing and angry at the same time. This beats our former ministre(ss) of Energy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freya_Van_den_Bossche

-engineer: blablabla investment, subsidies, multimillions, ceremony,... at the opening of an offshore wind park.
-engineer: ...we reduced the losses between the windmills and the land, optimized, blablabla...
-ministre: why are there losses between the windmill and land? where is this energy going?
-engineer: that's all due to ohm's law, my highness
-ministre: I will IMEDIATELY start up an amendment to change or remove that that law.

Other that than, and I may sound sexist but I am far from it, many countries run be female heads-of-states, have been a total catastrophe:...

Feminists3.0 say that's because men are not cooperating, use rotting, set up traps, to get in power again.

[han]

I'm not Europe citizen,but have been to Germany couple before the migrant crisis and even have see poster of Angela Merkel campaign.
And its make me sad see beautiful Europe destroyed by Merkel.
So to USA please don't make same mistake as European do..

[dannyf]

So to USA please don't make same mistake as European do..

Not a fat chance.

To those American liberals, whatever the Europeans do is always right.

[free_electron]

...Our president, Dilma Roussef, is far dumber than H. Clinton, and a day doesn't go by when Dilma says something extremely stupid. She once mentioned in the UN that scientists needed to invent a mean to stock wind. She's possibly one of the dumbest persons alive,

Really, I'm laughing and angry at the same time. This beats our former ministre(ss) of Energy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freya_Van_den_Bossche

-engineer: blablabla investment, subsidies, multimillions, ceremony,... at the opening of an offshore wind park.
-engineer: ...we reduced the losses between the windmills and the land, optimized, blablabla...
-ministre: why are there losses between the windmill and land? where is this energy going?
-engineer: that's all due to ohm's law, my highness
-ministre: I will IMEDIATELY start up an amendment to change or remove that that law.

Other that than, and I may sound sexist but I am far from it, many countries run be female heads-of-states, have been a total catastrophe:...

Feminists3.0 say that's because men are not cooperating, use rotting, set up traps, to get in power again.

ARE YOU KIDDING ? She really said that ?  Ashamed to be belgian

[babysitter]

Dont worry about germany, we're fine.

The Migrants might produce some slight discomfort for some people. You know, "Of course a migrant might take away your job. But if someone without personal connections, little knowledge of your language and no experience takes away your job, well..."
Germany gained a lot by selling stuff from Diehl Group, Krauss Maffei Wegmann, Heckler & Koch and co, this is some kind of responsibility.

The other annoyance, AfD and xGIDA; dreaming of a white, christian, closed-border germany is smaller and has way less impact than media might make you believe.

Sorry for exporting Trumps to the USA! But the same area brought you Heinz..  from Heinz Ketchup fame.

[GreyWoolfe]

"Regarding politicians, you're absolutely correct. It's easier to just assume all of them are crooks and we have pick the "less worst" of them all, and hope whatever good they do pays off for how much they steal. I can't think that way ,'though. I wish I could, but I can't."

I used to think that choosing a candidate was picking the lesser of two evils, now I believe it is picking the evil of 2 lessers.

[dannyf]

But the same area brought you Heinz..  from Heinz Ketchup fame.

But for that, we have to put up with French fries and John Kerry. I think we got the bad end of the stick, definitely,

I used to think that choosing a candidate was picking the lesser of two evils, now I believe it is picking the evil of 2 lessers.

In that process, we have managed to turn a Republic into a Democracy (or tyranny of the majority).

[tszaboo]

might produce some slight discomfort

I bet the hundreds of sexually harassed woman would describe it slight discomfort.
Or the millions of tourist who have to show their passport one again in the EU.
Or the woman in Holland who, have muslim men knocking on their door, checking if they live according a book.
Or the dead in France.

There are a lot of similarities between both:

I never said that. They are breaking it by doing the opposite. One was killing everyone who had slightly different genes. Merkel lets everyone into europe, unchecked, no matter if they fit there, or what kind of havoc will are causing. The issues are always the two extremes. Just do something sensible.

[Supercharged]

I still kinda hope trump running for president is a joke.