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Re: The slow death of Jaycar?
« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2019, 03:40:26 am »
I wonder what the average shelf time of a Jaycar part is - suspect it is months if not years for the components.

When RadioShack (a U.S. rough equivalent to Jaycar) went broke and shut down its stores, I bought some parts bins. While digging through components that were on clearance for liquidation, I managed to find *some* things with the logo they stopped using in 1995, *many* things with the logo they stopped using around 2000, and most things still using the logo they stopped using in 2009. This store relocated to a shopping development that opened in 2007, so that suggests to me that some things simply weren't being sold for... you guessed it... at least a decade.
 

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Re: The slow death of Jaycar?
« Reply #26 on: March 22, 2019, 10:46:29 pm »
Jaycar were wiped off the radar as soon as they ripped off Freetronics. I think I only had to visit Jaycar since out of desperation for a single connector.  We have Altronics and Rocky in Melbourne anyway - much better suppliers to deal with. If Jaycar went under, who cares. :-//

It would be nice if Jaycar provided a substantial ex-gratia payment to the developer of the original Arduino Experimenters Kit.


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Re: The slow death of Jaycar?
« Reply #27 on: March 22, 2019, 11:36:40 pm »
Jaycar has changed their target customer demographic in order to stay viable.  It's "evolve or die".


And sometimes it's "evolve and die anyway". Just ask Radio Shack.
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Re: The slow death of Jaycar?
« Reply #28 on: March 23, 2019, 12:31:18 am »
What i really dislike about Jaycar is the lack of personal hygiene of the male staff. Mostly they smell really bad.   I mean really bad. 
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Re: The slow death of Jaycar?
« Reply #29 on: March 23, 2019, 12:57:31 am »
What i really dislike about Jaycar is the lack of personal hygiene of the male staff. Mostly they smell really bad.   I mean really bad.

That's a bit rough, and as much as I don't particurly gel with Jaycar/Techbrands for various reasons I would still stand up for the people there. They're just folks making a living. If you email head office directly with a sensible complaint about a particular individual, they will do something about it. I've done this in the past.

Overall, I'm still happy the stores are there. The longer bricks-and-mortar electronics are available the better. Kids still need stores like that to check out stuff as we did, and if you need an LM311, a jiffy box, 3m Ethernet cable and some flux on Friday afternoon they've got you covered.

At the end of the day - they're all we have now apart from Altronics (who are in a league of awesome) and some individuals like Rockby in Melbourne and a few other randoms.

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Re: The slow death of Jaycar?
« Reply #30 on: March 23, 2019, 08:26:52 am »
Looking through the posts on this thread I have an incredible feeling of deja vu. Most of the comments could have been made about Tandy/Radio Shack and Maplin Electronics, both of whom are now long gone.

As for EBay taking things over, last night I felt a need to build a near-field probe set similar to Dave's project. Total expenditure for the parts (including an assembled RF amplifier) was just over twenty Euro and I get it all delivered to my door. It's hard to compete with convenience like that.
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Re: The slow death of Jaycar?
« Reply #31 on: March 23, 2019, 01:44:12 pm »

That's a bit rough, and as much as I don't particurly gel with Jaycar/Techbrands for various reasons I would still stand up for the people there. They're just folks making a living. If you email head office directly with a sensible complaint about a particular individual, they will do something about it. I've done this in the past.


Its very rough. They should not subject their customers to that.    Shoudl take a shower!!  its simple really.  And its both the stores that are nearish to me..     I'm not sure how the non smelly staff put up with the stinky ones.


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At the end of the day - they're all we have now apart from Altronics (who are in a league of awesome) and some individuals like Rockby in Melbourne and a few other randoms.

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Re: The slow death of Jaycar?
« Reply #32 on: March 24, 2019, 01:28:31 am »
I got an email from Jaycar that this year's catalogue is out. Played 'spot the new semiconductor' but was unable to spot any. At least it doesn't seem they have discontinued much.

Looks like they have added a few new bits of Pi and Arduino stuff, along with some more STEM robot kits.
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Re: The slow death of Jaycar?
« Reply #33 on: March 24, 2019, 01:59:13 am »
Yes they aren’t going to stay in business selling a pair of 12pF capacitors,
and it’s the consumer hobbyist that will be demanding the Arduinocrap, making even less space for components.
 

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Re: The slow death of Jaycar?
« Reply #34 on: March 24, 2019, 04:46:54 am »
can you hook up an ardunio to a can of deodorant?
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Re: The slow death of Jaycar?
« Reply #35 on: March 24, 2019, 06:24:16 am »
As a Perth expat, there use to be Taimac, Willis Electronics, General Accessories and Altronics. A few other small places that came & went. This is 70s/80's.

All that's left is Altronics. Not sure if RS is still in Perth. Jaycar, no idea, never visited one.

I have to say that living/working in the US for a few decades changed my entire view of component availability and competitive pricing. Digikey/Mouser/Arrow/Avnet and a few others means I have access to an enormous portfolio of state of the art components that can be in my hands next day. Reps that I can get samples from. It's an electronics engineer's nirvana.

We have a store (one of the last) in silicon valley (anchor electronics) and for its tiny size their stock is quite decent (including SMT R's & C's and some semis). Cost is higher (probably similar to buying something at altronics) than from a distributor, but when I need something that day, it's a handy resource. I'm amazed it continues to survive and would miss it it was gone, but it wouldn't really impact any of my projects.

Most of the walk in electronics places have closed and online distributors have become huge. The ease of parametric searches makes it so easy to find components and the ease of ordering and fast shipping across the country have replaced the need to visit a distributor and talk to a human. Databooks are gone, searching PDF's is so much easier. We've become online customers.

So, if a walk in electronics store can barely survive in the US, I'd imagine it would be even harder in oz with the significantly smaller customer base. Sort of like Frys Electronics that has morphed into a white good/tv/gadget store to try and stay in business. The electronics section in a Frys is a joke and usually poorly stocked/arranged. A bunch of antique thru hole components and a few bits of test equipment and some tools.

With modern electronics there are hundreds of thousands of components that only a distributor the size of a digikey/mouser/etc can hope to stock. A walk in store has no hope stocking more than a microscopic subset and how does a customer even search their inventory. Hobby purchases won't keep a walk in store in business when buying a little bag of discretes once every few weeks. So, they start selling cell phones, RC toys, white goods, TV's etc., and soon that becomes their business versus components.

At least in oz you have access to digikey/mouser, though of course there's shipping time and whatever duty/customs/gst gets added.

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Re: The slow death of Jaycar?
« Reply #36 on: March 24, 2019, 06:38:59 am »
The only reason to visit Jaycar is to buy DeOxit. Cheapest way to get it. ::)
 
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Re: The slow death of Jaycar?
« Reply #37 on: March 24, 2019, 06:40:18 am »
At least in oz you have access to digikey/mouser, though of course there's shipping time and whatever duty/customs/gst gets added.

They are often quicker than 'local' sellers such as element 14 and RS.  8)
 

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Re: The slow death of Jaycar?
« Reply #38 on: March 24, 2019, 07:56:06 am »
I have to say that living/working in the US for a few decades changed my entire view of component availability and competitive pricing. Digikey/Mouser/Arrow/Avnet and a few others means I have access to an enormous portfolio of state of the art components that can be in my hands next day. Reps that I can get samples from. It's an electronics engineer's nirvana.

Yeah, all that is true unless you are a student and/or budget constrained. If you work a decent job (and thus can afford stuff at distributor prices) then you won't have much time for the hobby, but if you aren't working or are a student then the prices will look too steep to you. I would say if you replace US with China, and replace Digikey/Mouser/Arrow/Avnet with taobao, and add in quick access to prototyping services (PCBA, etc), then it would accurately describe my experience here.

Back OT: brick and mortar shops aren't doing well even in Shenzhen. I don't find it surprising or care the least bit because in-store shopping is simply inferior. I can't search for stuff easily, travelling to a store is a waste of time, a store has high overhead costs which means stuff will be more expensive, etc.
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Re: The slow death of Jaycar?
« Reply #39 on: March 26, 2019, 03:29:09 am »
I grew up in Sydney during the 80’s and have fond memories of treking into York St (opposite the QVB) in the city every couple of months. Dick Smith, Jaycar, and Rod Irving were all adjacent to each other.

As far as I know Rod Irving never had a store in Silicon Alley (York St). David Reid was there for quite a long time, and Avtek around 1983.
 

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Re: The slow death of Jaycar?
« Reply #40 on: March 26, 2019, 03:53:02 am »
At it's peak, Sydney's "silicon alley" had Jaycar, Dick Smith, Tandy and David Reid.  All were located within a 100m stretch of same block on the same side of York Street, opposite the QVB.

Today, only Jaycar remains.
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Re: The slow death of Jaycar?
« Reply #41 on: March 26, 2019, 03:58:16 am »
Yes they aren’t going to stay in business selling a pair of 12pF capacitors,
and it’s the consumer hobbyist that will be demanding the Arduinocrap, making even less space for components.
We have an electronics components/hobby store which i visit often and it gets busy at times with customers buying components, but never ever i have seen anyone buying arduino stuff. It is just taking shelf space there...  :-//
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Re: The slow death of Jaycar?
« Reply #42 on: March 26, 2019, 04:55:47 am »
And sometimes it's "evolve and die anyway". Just ask Radio Shack.

Radio Shack killed itself when it became purely commission driven bullshit. Nobody likes getting hounded by 13 associates in a 1,200 sq ft store.
 

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Re: The slow death of Jaycar?
« Reply #43 on: March 26, 2019, 05:10:49 am »
And Altronics give out free catalogues , jaycar sell them
 

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Re: The slow death of Jaycar?
« Reply #44 on: March 26, 2019, 05:27:33 am »
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And Altronics give out free catalogues , jaycar sell them
They didn't always give them out free, and for a long time, you got them free only if you bought enough stuff. They have their foibles too -
Every one keeps forgetting Radio Parts .. they're STILL ALIVE yanno :-) we not dead yet. Great quality stuff, good range and prices.
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Re: The slow death of Jaycar?
« Reply #45 on: March 26, 2019, 06:20:40 am »
And Altronics give out free catalogues , jaycar sell them
Not if you have a trade card.  ;)
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Re: The slow death of Jaycar?
« Reply #46 on: March 26, 2019, 06:47:15 am »
Going back maybe 40 years, I've bought lots of good stuff from Jaycar - quality tools, exciting kits, useful parts, some of which I'm still using - and, yes, plenty of crap. However, I agree with the sentiment of this thread - Jaycar now borders on the irrelevant. I'm happy to ignore the Junk - I get that it keeps the lights on - but I now struggle to find anything else. I can't think of a single successful mission to Jaycar for project stuff in the last decade. Their behaviour towards Freetronics suggests the company is already morally bankrupt, and I won't miss what they have become when they finally succumb, sad to say.
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Re: The slow death of Jaycar?
« Reply #47 on: March 26, 2019, 10:20:50 pm »

Brings back memories thinking about that group of electronics stores down the bottom of York St. Near QVB.
Back in the day no trip into the city was ever contemplated with out a visit there. Just looking round those shops was a very satisfying experience within itself.

I remember walking into a DS power house down the road when they first opened. It was like wonderland.
It was not long after I went in there for some basic component and was told they no longer kept that.  I literally laughed at the guy till I realised he was fair dinkum then I must have had my stunned Mullet face on because I couldn't believe that  Tricky Dickys didn't have something they were built on. Looking round the place more looked like retra vision or Bing lee than an electronics store. I could buy 7 different toasters and unlimited Kitchen appliances but they didn't have 555 Timers??? WTF??

I still have a Multimeter I bought from DS in the '80s. I paid $80 for it which was nearly a weeks wages on what I was getting back then.  Having a bit of a multi meter fetish, I buy much better featured one's now online for about $8 but that old one that apart from being dirty doesn't look any different, will always have a special place in the heart.  I'll be dead before I can ever have anything as long as I have had that now.

I remember going into the DS powerhouse at Bankstown for some computer stuff in desperation and coming across THE most obnoxious, rude, arrogant, belligerent  Fkwit of a shop assistant I had ever come across in my life.  If not for the fact I had my young son with me, I would have dropped the guy like the POS he was no question and I really don't know how I kept my cool and didn't really hurt him anyway. After I walked away the guy followed me making smart arse remarks. Had I been on my own, he'd have not walked out to go home.  Dunno if the guy was on drugs or what but I'll always remember that as few people in the world have ever got me as infuriated as that guy did and certainly never in a shop, Still remember his name, Dirk. Probably says a lot in itself!
 
I came home and wrote a complaint email  and sent it to everyone I could look up from the MD down.
Must have go someones attention because I had someone from head office get back to me first thing the next morning ( sent it after 6 pm)  with apologies profuse and would I like to come down to the store for a personal apology? Errr, no thanks, I may not be able to contain my temper a second time even just looking at the clown.  Ah no, guy meant from him, Dirk would not be coming back, ever. 
I found out it wasn't the first complaint this turd had against him and he was dismissed on my complaint.
Most of them there were like Bunnings staff are today, pretty useless especially if they have to fill in in another department.

Jaycar is a double edged sword to me. Maybe a quadruple edged one.  I don't mind the obvious crap they sell but I do get annoyed when you want something decent and they have 5 Different things all equally Cheap and garbage. I like cheap and nasty but there are times when you just want solid and reliable no matter what the price and when you can't get it... very annoying.
Really now jaycar are just an importer and rebrander of the same cheap Chinese crap everyone else has. Like everyone else, Brand name and price as in paying for what you get has no relationship to quality whatsoever no matter if it could be relied upon in the past.

I like the company, or at least did, but they are up against it.  I have to admit I hardly go there anymore though and previously I went to see what new toys they had and would then come home and see how much cheaper I could get the self same thing on fleabay or banggood or the like.

I remember one of the last times I was in there I saw something I wanted for my father. $89 which seemed steep for what it was. Came Home and found the EXACT same thing online for $9 Delivered. I looked for some solar connectors I was out of some weeks back. Buy good ones online for under a $1 ea, jaycar, $14.99..... but they come in a little bag with a cardboard top stapled to them.   ::) Must keep the staff enthralled for hours packaging them up.

This is a problem I see with them continuing on. I understand that they have massive overheads, rent, staff, power , warehousing, insurance and so it must go on and on.  Thing is, for me the customer, it's one thing to pay say $12 in store for something I can get online for $9 but to pay 10x more???  Not going to happen. It's not a one off either. All their stuff has massive markup compared to online and it's a real catch 22 for them and the customer who would like to support them.

As for staff, seem to range from brilliant to pathetic.  I remember doing  a project some years ago  that was for a commercial job. they loved what I did and ordered a stack more for a short time frame.  I'd priced the job up as a one off and getting stuff from Jaycar so I was back there every day or 2 for a fortnight at least.  There were never the same staff there. Like ever.  I actually commented to one guy about it and he reckoned he'd been there years but I never saw him before or again.  If they were casuals they must have been doing a shift a fortnight or something and the one store had 50 Staff rotating. 

I have just changed my way of doing things Now.  I now think ahead and plan what I am going to do in advance and buy everything online.
I have a HUGE pile of stuff in the cupboard behind me and I never order what I want, I always get 4-5 and I can do that because shit is so cheap.  I have loads of little boards for different things that I pay a Buck each for and couldn't come near building them myself that cheap.  A mate came over a few weeks back telling me about something he wanted and I came in, Pulled out a couple of relevant boards, hooked them to a relay and a circuit breaker, put it all in a box I had a heap of sitting there, wired it  and he took it home thinking I was some sort of genius.  I wish!
 He's happy as pushing me $100 Note asking will that cover it. Do a quick calc in my head and Figure if he buys me the lunch special at the pub and a couple of drinks, I'm in front.

Could have never afforded to keep what I have on hand now in the old days. It was for most things except the small things like resistors etc buy what you need or a bag of them but I would never have what I keep now and didn't give a 2nd though to. If I was buying it at jaycar I'd have thousands tied up instead of a few hundred if that.

This stuff is just so cheap now you can have it sitting round although I have learned to mark stuff because I  forget what it is and have to get a magnifier to read the code on the board to look it up. Of course the boards I buy for a buck each online and are often delivered in 7-10 days are $15-20 at Jaycar, IF they have them at all.

i really don't know how they can stay in business. Can't say I ever saw the local place busy no matter when I went in. I went into the Gold coast store about a year ago when visiting a mate to get some bits to repair his pool chlorinator. Most of what I wanted they kept but were out of stock of. Really? You can't keep Diodes and bridge rectifiers on the shelf?? Managed to scrape enough together elsewhere ( From mates companys repair dept) to fix the thing but very dissapointing on the part of Jaycar.

I son't know how they can/ will survive.  The environment of retailing is changing so much and just like my own business where bread and butter markets and several of them have all but dried up, making a quid doing what they are doing is something I can't even get my head around. I don't know if it would even be worth them just doing online as you do that and then you are still competing even more with the chinese/ fleabay sellers that are happy to make 3% markup.

The only way is to do something no one else is doing and what the hell could that be in the electronics market?
I was researching a few months ago.  You can have an idea for something now, take it to these companies and they will do all the R&D, manufacture and market it and you get a royalty. They all say you have 2 years to make your money because by that time it will have been reverse engineered or copied and the market flooded with knockoffs.

Be hard to come up with more gadgets than they already have or can buy like everyone else AND find a market at the profit they need.
 

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Re: The slow death of Jaycar?
« Reply #48 on: March 26, 2019, 10:30:43 pm »
There's also WES in Sydney, used them years ago but as i'm out of that particular industry I've not used them for some time, anyone  have current experience with them
 

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Re: The slow death of Jaycar?
« Reply #49 on: March 26, 2019, 10:30:51 pm »
Jaycar are only the public store for their parent distributor Electus, however Electus now seem to be offering public online supply these days too:
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