Yes, the forum has issues -- No, you don't need to adjust your picture.

[Halcyon]

For those that can read this: The powers to be are fiddling with SSL and some things are (temporarily) broken. Local time its 2100hrs so be patient. It'll all come good eventually. No need to panic! There is always EEVblog on Youtube!

[EEVblog]

There is also a world outside everyones front door, worth a look!

[JPortici]

 
very pretty

[Radio Tech]

very pretty

That is what I got after posting on Daves newest video on the dumpster dive. I was first to post.
Then it disappeared.     I have never been first 
 

[gnif]

sorry everyone, I was chasing down a bug caused by the PrettyURLs plugin Dave runs, seems the developer never considered the idea that you would want a website to run with and without SSL at the same time.

[gnif]

There is also a world outside everyones front door, worth a look!

Ok, I will go out and have a look, ill be back in a few days and see if the server fixes itself

Edit: *Stepped outside, dark and cold... runs back into his man cave*

[Monkeh]

sorry everyone, I was chasing down a bug caused by the PrettyURLs plugin Dave runs, seems the developer never considered the idea that you would want a website to run with and without SSL at the same time.

Are you sure he even considered that you might want SSL?

[gnif]

sorry everyone, I was chasing down a bug caused by the PrettyURLs plugin Dave runs, seems the developer never considered the idea that you would want a website to run with and without SSL at the same time.

Are you sure he even considered that you might want SSL?

Yes because he takes special care to preserve the scheme at the start of URLs, so SSL was considered, just either on or off.

[Brumby]

Even if you had the finances and resources to set up a testing environment, in order for a high confidence testing result there is still the issue of making that environment identical to the live one.
 
Quite simply, that is not possible - because, if it were, they would be the same environment.

Every point of differentiation that allows for two environments to exist at the same time, has the potential to cause the implementation of the new live system to fail.


Gnif is doing this as a volunteer - and we should extend our gratitude to him.  Besides, this isn't a critical system - and if it were to go offline for a couple of days, nobody would suffer (except maybe some withdrawal).

[james_s]

There is also a world outside everyones front door, worth a look!

It's been cold, gloomy, breezy and pissing down rain more often than not lately, it's a good excuse to focus on indoor activities for a bit.

[gnif]

I have no issues with upgrading/altering a live production system, yes it would be great to have a test system, and I do appreciate the understanding and care of the community here when things do not go smoothly. Taking a copy and spinning it up on another server is a good idea in theory, but there are down sides to this too.

1) The time it takes, bandwidth usage, etc.
2) Needing a spare box capable of spinning up the configuration, the test is not very useful if the host has to be altered to run on lower spec hardware.
3) After all the changes have been tested/made, etc... migrating them to the production server can be a PITA.

There are solutions to all this, but they all require major changes and a large investment in time just to get it setup. If the server was to be setup from scratch (which one day I hope to get the chance), I would:

1) Move away from cPanel to a much more managable system (Debian Preferred).
2) Setup git and/or puppet for server management.
3) Setup a git repository for the website.
4) If budget allowed for it, spin up a dev VM somewhere and setup a workflow with Dave for updates/changes, etc.

All of this takes time though, which is limited. If Dave was a paying client (not that I am asking for him to be) I would be able to justify the time and effort to do this, but at current feeding my family has to be my priority.

[raspberrypi]

sorry everyone, I was chasing down a bug caused by the PrettyURLs plugin Dave runs, seems the developer never considered the idea that you would want a website to run with and without SSL at the same time.

gniff is a real person? I thought he lived in narnia with the server Apache's and the mailer daemons.

Thank you for fixing the site all those times.

[gnif]

sorry everyone, I was chasing down a bug caused by the PrettyURLs plugin Dave runs, seems the developer never considered the idea that you would want a website to run with and without SSL at the same time.

gniff is a real person? I thought he lived in narnia with the server Apache's and the mailer daemons.

Thank you for fixing the site all those times.

Yeah, I am real. I decided to leave Narnia years ago, was sick of the cold winters and the talking lions just creeped me out, they tasted good though with a bit of bbq sauce.

And you're welcome

[raspberrypi]

sorry everyone, I was chasing down a bug caused by the PrettyURLs plugin Dave runs, seems the developer never considered the idea that you would want a website to run with and without SSL at the same time.

gniff is a real person? I thought he lived in narnia with the server Apache's and the mailer daemons.

Thank you for fixing the site all those times.

Yeah, I am real. I decided to leave Narnia years ago, was sick of the cold winters and the talking lions just creeped me out, they tasted good though with a bit of bbq sauce.

And you're welcome

I thought narnia was where adam and eve lived in the bible?

[SeanB]

Forum was off for a while, thank goodness I was doing other things......

But thanks Gnif, as a sysadmin you get moaned at when things are working, and also when they are not.

[tautech]

Forum was off for a while, thank goodness I was doing other things......

But thanks Gnif, as a sysadmin you get moaned at when things are working, and also when they are not.

For less than the 2 hours that was forecast and since then I've not noticed anything but improvements. 
REAL respect for gnif. 

[gnif]

Thanks guys, I take personal pride in seeing the results of my work, even if there are complainers

[Halcyon]

Thanks for all your efforts and late nights. :-)

[Brumby]

+1

[TerraHertz]

Count me as neutral. I can see why many people would prefer everything used https, but personally I think it's futile. It will give only an illusion of security.

Also this change is bad for me, but for reasons virtually no one else will share. See the other thread: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/the-site-is-still-not-completely-tls-exclusive/msg1176451/#msg1176451

[gnif]

Count me as neutral. I can see why many people would prefer everything used https, but personally I think it's futile. It will give only an illusion of security.

Also this change is bad for me, but for reasons virtually no one else will share. See the other thread: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/the-site-is-still-not-completely-tls-exclusive/msg1176451/#msg1176451

I really don't care, if you read that thread you would see that I stated we will be fixing both SSL and non-SSL, I am sorry for any issues it caused, and I had walked away from that thread due to the stupidity of the argument, don't bring it here.

[tautech]

What https can offer Dave is the option to market his stuff online and "in-house" on his main site with some online EEVblog shop.....probably something gnif will have to set up.

[SeanB]

Well, Seeing as Dave is looking to revamp the online EEVblog shop to serve the world not served by Amazon (pretty much all outside North America and the EU ( ok even the UK after they Brexit)) this looks like a good thing. Seen some improvements in page load times, but then again that could also be the ISP doing the usual stuff they do on overcongested networks.

As I said, Gnif has nothing but complaints, but keeping this forum running, with only tiny issues, is a very hard job, and he is handling it well enough in my view. Doing the work under constraints is hard, and getting it this far is nothing but praiseworthy.