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Offline akisTopic starter

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Standard battery shapes
« on: April 07, 2017, 06:32:27 am »
Why are common batteries cylindrical?

When you try to build, say, a battery pack for a laptop, or some other application, you lose space due to the awkward cylindrical shape of the most common and prolific batteries: AAA, AA, C, D, 18650, 26650...

Why can't they be made square ?

Just wondering
 

Offline IanB

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Re: Standard battery shapes
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2017, 06:38:40 am »
Well, they can be made square, for example 9 V batteries, or LiPo cells. A square or rectangular cell is called a prismatic cell.

But for other cells (a cell is a single unit of a battery), a cylindrical shape is easier to manufacture. Many types, such as lithium or NiMH are made by creating a roll of thin sheets. If you roll up a sandwich of thin sheets you naturally get a cylinder.

If you take other types of cell such as zinc chloride or alkaline, you want an equal distance from the center to the outside all the way round, and you want a container which is strong and easy to manufacture. Once more, cylinders come out as the most practical shape.
 

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Re: Standard battery shapes
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2017, 10:48:31 pm »
A cylinder is also a good shape for holding pressure which would distort a prismatic container.
 

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Re: Standard battery shapes
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2017, 08:11:18 pm »
The seals are a lot easier and more reliable with a cylinder too, round seal rather than corners that have to fit precisely.
 

Offline Kilrah

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Re: Standard battery shapes
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2017, 08:18:56 pm »
Prismatic Li-Po cells are ubiquitous, and will be used when filling the volume is considered important.
Apple are even known for manufacturing batteries with complex shapes for their thinnest machines - of course that has a cost, so for your bog standard machine most will just throw cheap 18650s and call it a day.
 

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Re: Standard battery shapes
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2017, 01:51:34 am »
Li-ion cells also come in prismatic shapes (though Lipos have largely taken over that market).
Here is a Sanyo prismatic cell
http://www.megabatteries.com/item_details2.asp?id=17000&cat1=&uid=1753&vfpr=&vfbr=Sanyo&vfcat=Electronics+Electronics+Accessories+Power+Batteries&vfsku=3325495&vfbi=no_bid&sid=gpla&vfsku=17000&gpla=pla&gclid=CNy8g4elm9MCFQ6oaQodR08FAQ
I suspect it was just easier at the time to make higher capacity cells in cylindrical form.   
 

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Re: Standard battery shapes
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2017, 11:26:17 pm »
Li-ion cells also come in prismatic shapes (though Lipos have largely taken over that market).

They are the same thing.
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Re: Standard battery shapes
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2017, 12:31:44 am »
They're similar. There are a multitude of different Li-based cell chemistries and physical construction. Most of the time when someone refers to "LiPo" they mean the high discharge current rated packs as used for electric RC vehicles.
 
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Re: Standard battery shapes
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2017, 07:51:25 am »
I refer you to this guide by Davide Andrea (founder of a battery company, battery managment book author—you can look him up): https://www.reddit.com/r/electronics/comments/559b1b/liion_cell_terminology_oc/
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Re: Standard battery shapes
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2017, 02:23:57 am »
Li-ion cells also come in prismatic shapes (though Lipos have largely taken over that market).

They are the same thing.

When I was in the battery business it was understood they were chemically the same but not mechanically the same.  The mechanical differences can matter. 
 


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