Proof that software as service/cloud based, will never work for long term ...

[madires]

Microsoft's blatent nonsense is hilarious! Basically they complain that they couldn't do security by obscurity anymore, throwing a red herring to distract from their recent security disasters, and trying to lobby against EU's latest antitrust investigations. But all this doesn't change the fact that Microsoft does a very poor job regarding security.

[Karel]

Dont blame microsoft for  international  IT failure day ,don't blame crowdstrike, its all the fault of that pesky EU.

https://www.euronews.com/next/2024/07/22/microsoft-says-eu-to-blame-for-the-worlds-worst-it-outage

The European Commission spokesperson hit back at the accusations today, telling Euronews that "Microsoft is free to
decide on its business model. It is for Microsoft to adapt its security infrastructure to respond to threats in line with EU
competition law. Additionally, consumers are free to benefit from competition and choose between different cybersecurity providers."

The spokesperson also said that "the incident was not limited to the European Union and that Microsoft has never raised
any concerns about security with the Commission either before or after the incident."

https://www.euronews.com/next/2024/07/23/european-commission-denies-responsibility-for-massive-microsoft-it-outage

[PA0PBZ]

Dont blame microsoft for  international  IT failure day ,don't blame crowdstrike, its all the fault of that pesky EU.

https://www.euronews.com/next/2024/07/22/microsoft-says-eu-to-blame-for-the-worlds-worst-it-outage

"Microsoft has Windows Defender, its in-house alternative to CrowdStrike"

Yes, a bike is also a way of transportation so why would you need a car?

[DimitriP]

CDK Global provides retail technology and software as a service (SaaS) solutions that help dealers run their businesses and drive profitability. CDK currently serves more than 15,000 retail locations in North America.

Most of the time, except the last few days !!!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cdk-cyber-attack-outage-auto-dealerships-cbs-news-explains/

[Catching up after returning from vacation ....]


A few million  dollars later ....

https://www.spiceworks.com/it-security/data-security/news/cdk-global-outage-ended-after-paying-ransom/

[paulca]

TLDR:  "Cloud" is now considered a non-engineering, non-technical term in common usage.  It once "was" a credible engineering term, meaning "out of scope", but no longer is, due to populous/business pollution of terminology.

View Image .... the most simple textbook reproduction in SE101 of the cloud symbol.

Any attempt to describe the contents of the cloud are ... contrary to the symbol.  "Black box, in-out, don't care, don't need to care" = the cloud symbol

The trouble is.  A picture of a cloud on a diagram is overly romantic and overly emotionally provoking than we would hope.

It became a viral "business term".  "The more we can move into this "cloud" thing the better!".

We made our own bed I suppose.  "look what we can do!", "so you can do X?", "No.", "Okay great we can sell X tomorrow and you will figure it out okay?", "wait what?", "youll be fine itll happen if we believe"

If you are not catching on, the catch is... someone still needs to develop what happens in the cloud.  The diagram is meant to show the scope of the problem, not reality.  Any and all relationships between "the cloud" and it's many marketing BS are suspect these days as "the mass" understanding of the terms is now in common use in a flawed way.   Not like that is uncommon.

Other examples of stolen terms.
Hacker:  Someone who "hacks away" like a lumberjack never quitting until the wood is just right.
Media:  So like a cracker, criminal type who "hacks" banks.
Engineers:  No.  Not like that.
... 

/get off my f'ing lawn.

[paulca]

[MrMobodies]

I use to see adverts on Youtube starting with the lines "Business are moving to the cloud...".

I met an advisor early last year who said the same bullshit above, "There's no work for that here anymore as business are moving to the cloud and we just had our servers removed from this office so it's all on the cloud now."

I said yes but what you are going to do in an outage when either the service goes down or your broadband connections?
"We can't work but then it has nothing to do with us... etc".

[SiliconWizard]

When you want absolutely zero responsability, you get what you deserve. You become a puppet.

[Nominal Animal]

When you want absolutely zero responsability, you get what you deserve. You become a puppet.

Yes, but being a puppet is easy and care-free.  A lot of people want and need to be a care-free puppet.  Most people do not really have a proverbial spine, and would rather just go with the flow, routine only, without ever dealing with any problems, as problems really should be other people's concern.

[madires]

From https://azure.status.microsoft/status:

Network Infrastructure - Issues accessing a subset of Microsoft services

Starting at approximately 12:00 UTC on 30 July 2024, a subset of customers may experience issues connecting to Microsoft services globally.

Current status: We have multiple engineering teams engaged to diagnose and resolve the issue as soon as possible. We've identified multiple workstreams and are working to mitigate impacted workstreams by performing failover operations. More details will be provided as they become available.

This message was last updated at 13:56 UTC on 30 July 2024

Update:
Microsoft DDoS defence error amplifies attack impact on Azure services (https://www.itnews.com.au/news/microsoft-ddos-defence-error-amplifies-attack-impact-on-azure-services-610252)

[paulca]

When you want absolutely zero responsability, you get what you deserve. You become a puppet.

Like we all do for almost everything else.  No?

I take no responsibility in writing to someone or sending them a package.  I am become a puppet to the shipping companies/Royal Mail.

I take no responsibility for my internet connection to the internet, I buy that from someone else.

I take no responsibility for the power that runs my office.  I buy it off a wire.  It's someone else's problem.**

You can continue this list for every and when you get into modern business it increases an order of magnitude again.

If all companies did their own thing there would be millions of different produces of the same 'service', it's not efficient.  it would not be efficient or cost effective for an IT company to generate their own electricity and pay salaries to all the engineers required to maintain it.  It is easier if a small selection of specialist companies focus on delivering power and the IT company pays them money to do it.

Moving infra into managed data-centres is just an extension to that.

The real caveat here and what people who rely on AWS/Azure et. al. will discover, the cloud provided leaves the configuration totally up to the customer.  If you didn't configure and pay for a fail over with storage in different regions, then tough.  Not our problem.

If you 100% need that power for critical ops, banks, hospitals etc.  Then you provide a generator.  Well, you lease a generator and maintainence contract with a generator supplier.

If you set up your "house of cards" anywhere.  Be it on-prem, off-prem, co-located or cloud it's still going to fall over if you have no resilience designed into it.


** Not really in my case, at least 60% of it IS generated by me and MY responsibility.

[Nominal Animal]

I take no responsibility in writing to someone or sending them a package.  I am become a puppet to the shipping companies/Royal Mail.

I disagree, because you have a range of options for the shipping contract.  It is your responsibility to choose the proper contract: what kind of insurance, proof of delivery or not, how fast the shipping should be, and so on.

If you use the cheapest shipping method and it gets lost, you are partly/mostly to blame – for choosing an inappropriate contract.  (The blame weight depends on the statistical probability of that occurring, but is never zero.)

I don't blame cloud-based software or services; I blame people who agree to them for the wrong reasons.  (Analog: You wouldn't outsource the accounting of your firm to the crack addict who lives in the dumpster at the back, no matter how cheap they promise to do the job.)

It does get very muddy when the number of options is small.  When there is a monopoly, it is an extremely difficult and vulnerable situation for the clients; they become captives of the monopoly.  Walking away is not an option, if you are proverbially at the center of a desert and you cannot agree to the demands of the sole potable water vendor within several days' distance, no matter how morally right a choice it would be.

[madires]

Microsoft's Azure again. This time it's a configuration change:
- Microsoft Azure outage takes down services across North America (https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-azure-outage-takes-down-services-across-north-america/)

[paulca]

The speed these aaS providers expand equals the number of technically skilled people they need.

However.  The universities are not producing technically skilled people any faster. 

What do you think is going to happen?