The difference now is the state and the corporations that own it now really does not want to "need" anybody who it does not control, or might be seen as owing some obligation to.
Thats were AI comes in.
Our one hope would be open algorithms and FOSS so attempts are being made to demonize all the things that could stop it.
Also, the people here who are deluded into thinking socialism is taking over are profoundly ignorant, as its capitalism thats doing it. (but pretending its the opposite)
So, were seeing an attack on civilization by Social Injustice Warriors.
Yes, everything they do is backwards. That's a characteristic of any
extrinsic fraud.
Under corporate fascism there is no requirement to maintain a system that works for anybody. Right and wrong is replaced by the marketplace. Money is everything.
Quote from: MrW0lf on Today at 07:17:12Dismantling western society is easy. You have not seen communism up close and cannot even imagine how it will feel for small man. In my childhood I got some of it on softest possible form (Estonia was sort of elite place in CCCP). It was ok for us since did live in countryside but in cities one essentially had no property or control over his life.
You were assigned where state needs you.
Now they groom whole western to feel more at home without home (constant travel), have no important belongings besides phone, carefully avoid creating family and when by accident succeed trust state. State knows best what to do with your kid.
But with all this there was
some sanity in CCCP system. There was no praise of violence or abnormality, it was about engineering/building better country. Your goal was to be healthy sane worker bee and for good bees there were semi-ok apartments and even cars, boats, hunting, fishing etc basics for interesting down-to-earth life. But with this modern european policy when you should give jihadists your children to rape and home to live in it will be different form of communism without goal to build anything, only to destroy.
Interesting part will be when they start to heavily implement AI to keep stuff at bay because
obviously humans cannot handle things. Suppose there will be no argument or discussion.
AI said so, so it's optimal.
But before that there needs to be total chaos. Currently busy here to implement new govt worker policy where you have no specific workplace or physical document storage / belongings. Its all in the cloud and you pick some available desk from desk pool, or better sofa...
Under "liberalisation" there will be huge winners and huge losers. Basically global value chains focuses on efficiency. So there will be a few huge companies (in terms of resources) but they may not employ many people.
The rest will be on their own - This is why I tell people to try to make as much money as they can now and remember that savings and investments may crash as everybody tries to extract value from what they have at the same time as we hit the exponential part of the curve.
Indeed, you are right in that the neoliberals acknowledge that tey are trying to break down society on a global scale, but they misrepresent their reasons for doing so. Its not out of altruism, its out of a desire to capture all the gifts given the planet by technology for themselves. This is because classical economics predicts a race to the bottom on wages and benefits and really the entire social contract as billions of jobs dry up. Obviously the planet will end up with a welfare state of some kind but the questions of how that would be implemented and who would come out on top are very much on the minds of those who are on top now. They want to lock themselves into power with trade agreements, which are forcing a dismantlement of safety nets and safety regulations, globally.
The most extreme vision of globalization - pushed by my own country, is basically an extension of colonialism - without the obligation to take care of anybody..
Some rich governments and their allies in the developing world, the most corrupt governments, which are very highly stratified - Their rich want to shed all of their responsibilities to anybody for anything before the world realizes what these deals do.
I see them as attempts to lock in failing business models and permanently (they hope) stifle creativity and innovation.
Money isnt everything, but these deals basically could be encapsulated as saying exactly that, and giving it legal teeth.
For example, in the UK the Tories there push a new sort of reverse precautionary principle for corporations.